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Morality in football where cash is concerned. The first club that decides to operate that way instantly puts itself at a disadvantage so no one blinks first.

If you were a cynic (and I'll leave you to judge if you think I am) you could say a club signs him for nowt, he bangs in the goals, gets cleared due to the appeal, becomes less toxic and therefore he has a sell on value which more than covers you for lost sponsors in the interim.

You may also think that if you are the first club and ride out the furore, if he scores goals but is not cleared he may still have a sell on value as once the initial jump is taken by one club the next move won't get the same profile and therefore he has a sell on value which more than covers you for lost sponsors in the interim.

Rightly or wrongly, if certain skills in the world are scarce, you'll find people who will pay for them, regardless of how savoury the individual is and it is a general fact that in football goal scorers command the highest premium.



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Deal now off, he won't be signing for Oldham.

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So apparently we are now conyinuing in the 'Wild West' scenario where one lot of law breaking justifies law breaking by other 'interested parties'. Next time someone claims we live in a 'civilised society' give the statement due thought....



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To quote Gordon Strachan, and may i say (sadly in my opinion) he is correct....."we don't have any morals in football"



-- Edited by Mogwai on Thursday 8th of January 2015 12:39:50 PM

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To quote Gordon Strachan, and may i say (sadly in my opinion) he is correct....."we don't have any morals in football"



-- Edited by Mogwai on Thursday 8th of January 2015 12:39:50 PM


 And more importantly going forward, they don't look like getting any anytime soon...



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So apparently we are now conyinuing in the 'Wild West' scenario where one lot of law breaking justifies law breaking by other 'interested parties'. Next time someone claims we live in a 'civilised society' give the statement due thought....


yep - it seems threats against someone's life are ok if they are for a "good cause"



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 And more importantly going forward, they don't look like getting any anytime soon...


 It takes skill to get 'going forward' and 'anytime soon' in the same sentence. Saying either would result in something being hurled at you where I am!!



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We now have American bulldust bingo cards at work now, the english equivalent now seems positively tame!!



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So apparently we are now conyinuing in the 'Wild West' scenario where one lot of law breaking justifies law breaking by other 'interested parties'. Next time someone claims we live in a 'civilised society' give the statement due thought....


yep - it seems threats against someone's life are ok if they are for a "good cause"


 The interesting point is at what point does this all stop.

Evans and his mate, idiots to start with. Verdict of the law applied

Evans 'supporters' making public the victims name, idiots with no appreciation of the law. Verdict of the law applied.

Death threats applied to coerce Oldham, again bloody idiots. Hopefully verdict of the law will apply.

 

The victims family say she cannot visit or resume her life as best she can because of threats from those 'supporting' with the Evans side. It is obvious wherever Evans appears is going to be subject to 'pressures' and whether these are orchestrated by associates of the victim I am not in a position to say.

The one thing that appears obvious is that until one side of the argument lays off, the other side won't, neither side is minded to back down so neither person is going to be allowed to rebuild their lives. The sides don't appear to want to do it voluntarily so rigorous application of the law seems to be the only way out, except I have my doubts whether that will occur at this point, given the pursuit of the legal process seems subject to the influence of public opinion these days.

At the current rate, every person with an agenda will have their say and maybe act intemperately. Others may well act inappropriately or illegally causing damage to others and themselves and the end result will be that neither of the original involved parties will be able to rebuild, which probably is more punitive on the victim than Evans.

Welcome to the world where we have chosen to blanket idolise certain professions without being mindful that many therein have feet of clay and are seemingly incapable of meeting standards that we, not they, have determined for them. Who's issue really is that?



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Can't we find something about welling to talk about now? I'm bored of reading about him


 Why was this thread allowed to be started and added to on this main site in the first place?  I seem to remember my posting about Jamie Day, and speculation about him moving to Ebbsfleet, was shifted promptly, not once but twice, to "off topic".  This, in my opinion, is far more off topic but is allowed to stay here, why?



-- Edited by OMERTA elb on Wednesday 7th of January 2015 05:59:11 PM


 Still no answer as to why this thread has not been moved to 'off topic.

 

I noticed that the FA Youth Cup thread was on the main forum rather than the youth team forum. It seems that moving the 'Brown sacked' thread was the exception rather than the rule. 



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Apologies, not been looking on here much the past 2 days due to work so not responded to this. Apologies to all who are concerned about postings being in the wrong forum. Sometimes there's a reason why it has or hasn't been moved and sometimes it's just because i miss things.

Bertie, your posting was not about Jamie Day and speculation with the Ebbsfleet job. It was stating that Steve Brown had been sacked.....

The original thread asked if supporters would welcome Ched Evans at Welling, out of interest i thought I would leave it where it is as it's a topic that invokes plenty of debate and this forum isn't exactly the busiest of places. However it has drifted slightly off topic so will be moved shortly.

Interestingly though, for all that people that want it moved, it has gone to over 2 pages now so has created discussion.



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stafford wrote:
J wrote:
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So apparently we are now conyinuing in the 'Wild West' scenario where one lot of law breaking justifies law breaking by other 'interested parties'. Next time someone claims we live in a 'civilised society' give the statement due thought....


yep - it seems threats against someone's life are ok if they are for a "good cause"


 The interesting point is at what point does this all stop.

Evans and his mate, idiots to start with. Verdict of the law applied

Evans 'supporters' making public the victims name, idiots with no appreciation of the law. Verdict of the law applied.

Death threats applied to coerce Oldham, again bloody idiots. Hopefully verdict of the law will apply.

 

The victims family say she cannot visit or resume her life as best she can because of threats from those 'supporting' with the Evans side. It is obvious wherever Evans appears is going to be subject to 'pressures' and whether these are orchestrated by associates of the victim I am not in a position to say.

The one thing that appears obvious is that until one side of the argument lays off, the other side won't, neither side is minded to back down so neither person is going to be allowed to rebuild their lives. The sides don't appear to want to do it voluntarily so rigorous application of the law seems to be the only way out, except I have my doubts whether that will occur at this point, given the pursuit of the legal process seems subject to the influence of public opinion these days.

At the current rate, every person with an agenda will have their say and maybe act intemperately. Others may well act inappropriately or illegally causing damage to others and themselves and the end result will be that neither of the original involved parties will be able to rebuild, which probably is more punitive on the victim than Evans.

Welcome to the world where we have chosen to blanket idolise certain professions without being mindful that many therein have feet of clay and are seemingly incapable of meeting standards that we, not they, have determined for them. Who's issue really is that?



-- Edited by stafford on Thursday 8th of January 2015 02:58:37 PM


 His apology came 83 days too late. The general public might have had empathy towards him if he had made todays statement nearly three months ago. He has the right to seek employment in his given trade, namely professional football.Paradoxically, prospective employers have the right to refuse such employment under their terms and conditions. Let's put a thought  forward. Should Evans sign for a club and you take a young child along to his first home game. He is booed and your child asked why. What reason do you give? Do you tell the truth or just say that he has been a naughty boy?



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Cynical wrote:
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So apparently we are now conyinuing in the 'Wild West' scenario where one lot of law breaking justifies law breaking by other 'interested parties'. Next time someone claims we live in a 'civilised society' give the statement due thought....


yep - it seems threats against someone's life are ok if they are for a "good cause"


 The interesting point is at what point does this all stop.

Evans and his mate, idiots to start with. Verdict of the law applied

Evans 'supporters' making public the victims name, idiots with no appreciation of the law. Verdict of the law applied.

Death threats applied to coerce Oldham, again bloody idiots. Hopefully verdict of the law will apply.

 

The victims family say she cannot visit or resume her life as best she can because of threats from those 'supporting' with the Evans side. It is obvious wherever Evans appears is going to be subject to 'pressures' and whether these are orchestrated by associates of the victim I am not in a position to say.

The one thing that appears obvious is that until one side of the argument lays off, the other side won't, neither side is minded to back down so neither person is going to be allowed to rebuild their lives. The sides don't appear to want to do it voluntarily so rigorous application of the law seems to be the only way out, except I have my doubts whether that will occur at this point, given the pursuit of the legal process seems subject to the influence of public opinion these days.

At the current rate, every person with an agenda will have their say and maybe act intemperately. Others may well act inappropriately or illegally causing damage to others and themselves and the end result will be that neither of the original involved parties will be able to rebuild, which probably is more punitive on the victim than Evans.

Welcome to the world where we have chosen to blanket idolise certain professions without being mindful that many therein have feet of clay and are seemingly incapable of meeting standards that we, not they, have determined for them. Who's issue really is that?



-- Edited by stafford on Thursday 8th of January 2015 02:58:37 PM


 His apology came 83 days too late. The general public might have had empathy towards him if he had made todays statement nearly three months ago. He has the right to seek employment in his given trade, namely professional football.Paradoxically, prospective employers have the right to refuse such employment under their terms and conditions. Let's put a thought  forward. Should Evans sign for a club and you take a young child along to his first home game. He is booed and your child asked why. What reason do you give? Do you tell the truth or just say that he has been a naughty boy?


Depends on the age. If old enough a more outstanding example of a tale all round of what not to do and how everyone should not behave you would go a long way to find. Not all lessons are learnt from positive examples. Alternatively, if you find that issue a problem, you are not compelled to take the child to the game. It could be argued that you have created the issue for yourself as it would not be a surprise he was playing.

Prospective employers do indeed have the right to refuse employment. You fail to comment though if this right should be exercised of their own free will or as a result of intimidation



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So apparently we are now conyinuing in the 'Wild West' scenario where one lot of law breaking justifies law breaking by other 'interested parties'. Next time someone claims we live in a 'civilised society' give the statement due thought....


yep - it seems threats against someone's life are ok if they are for a "good cause"


 The interesting point is at what point does this all stop.

Evans and his mate, idiots to start with. Verdict of the law applied

Evans 'supporters' making public the victims name, idiots with no appreciation of the law. Verdict of the law applied.

Death threats applied to coerce Oldham, again bloody idiots. Hopefully verdict of the law will apply.

 

The victims family say she cannot visit or resume her life as best she can because of threats from those 'supporting' with the Evans side. It is obvious wherever Evans appears is going to be subject to 'pressures' and whether these are orchestrated by associates of the victim I am not in a position to say.

The one thing that appears obvious is that until one side of the argument lays off, the other side won't, neither side is minded to back down so neither person is going to be allowed to rebuild their lives. The sides don't appear to want to do it voluntarily so rigorous application of the law seems to be the only way out, except I have my doubts whether that will occur at this point, given the pursuit of the legal process seems subject to the influence of public opinion these days.

At the current rate, every person with an agenda will have their say and maybe act intemperately. Others may well act inappropriately or illegally causing damage to others and themselves and the end result will be that neither of the original involved parties will be able to rebuild, which probably is more punitive on the victim than Evans.

Welcome to the world where we have chosen to blanket idolise certain professions without being mindful that many therein have feet of clay and are seemingly incapable of meeting standards that we, not they, have determined for them. Who's issue really is that?



-- Edited by stafford on Thursday 8th of January 2015 02:58:37 PM


 His apology came 83 days too late. The general public might have had empathy towards him if he had made todays statement nearly three months ago. He has the right to seek employment in his given trade, namely professional football.Paradoxically, prospective employers have the right to refuse such employment under their terms and conditions. Let's put a thought  forward. Should Evans sign for a club and you take a young child along to his first home game. He is booed and your child asked why. What reason do you give? Do you tell the truth or just say that he has been a naughty boy?


 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30742947

he is right - if you look at the evidence the conviction does seem suspect



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I think if you are convicted of something awful then you have waived your right to have a second chance especially in a world where you can earn a lifetimes money in a couple of seasons playing football.

Do some people get wrongfully convicted? Of course but lifes a bitch and there are 60 million people worse off than any "superstar" that gets a wrongful conviction, suck it up. Having a blanket ban on serious convictions returning to the game is best for everyone i think.



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I think if you are convicted of something awful then you have waived your right to have a second chance especially in a world where you can earn a lifetimes money in a couple of seasons playing football.

Do some people get wrongfully convicted? Of course but lifes a bitch and there are 60 million people worse off than any "superstar" that gets a wrongful conviction, suck it up. Having a blanket ban on serious convictions returning to the game is best for everyone i think.



-- Edited by JgFc on Saturday 10th of January 2015 11:26:45 PM


 In that case change the law and change the rules of the Football Association. Interesting precedent being guilty of any legislation/trade association rules retrospectively.

Would be an interesting debate on that with those who claim that 'if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear' if the definition of wrong could be changed retrospectively.

Don,t recall you sucking it up when you were wrongfully accused on the Conference board...

What is easy and what is popular isn,'t always what is in everyone's best interest......



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I'd rather Ched Evans went back to football and paid a high amount of tax on his wage, than he continued to be a drain to society with no income for the rest of his life.

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A very interesting re-read given the eventual outcome (presuming there are no further appeals).

I stand by everything I wrote at the time, I wonder whether all can now say this. It is the most salutory tale of everyone acting like an idiot and screwing up more than enough lives and for that it is worthy as a role model to those of impressionable age of what NOT to do.

Also an example of how the law is structured to work. If you don't like it campaign to change the law.

 



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A very interesting re-read given the eventual outcome (presuming there are no further appeals).

I stand by everything I wrote at the time, I wonder whether all can now say this. It is the most salutory tale of everyone acting like an idiot and screwing up more than enough lives and for that it is worthy as a role model to those of impressionable age of what NOT to do.

Also an example of how the law is structured to work. If you don't like it campaign to change the law.

 


 I agree with you Stafford, but I still stand by my original comment where he should have apologised ages ago for causing so much distress.



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