Jody, thanks for taking the time to put your point of view. A lot of what you say has a ring of truth about it.

Take care and good luck.

 Thank you for sharing.

My two penth worth to Jody.

I think everybody has seen through Faz, and if anybody did think he was the saviour they don't anymore. He was an appalling manager in every sense. He clearly got lucky last season. 

 I also think it's worth remembering generally when a manager gets a job mid season he can expect to walk into issues, otherwise the job wouldn't have become available.

We were 21st and in the relegation zone when you were sacked. 

At the point of your arrival we had actually lost just one of the previous 7 league games (away to Bristol Rovers) . With Beautyman gone we had got 10 points from the previous 4 games, with Marsh scoring a few. So at the point of your arrival we had a depleted squad proving it could churn out results in this division. However Marsh had now gone and that was a big loss. 

So here you have walked into a team relatively in form. We then got 1 point in 9. With Faz & Frost both entered the jobs on the back of long losing streaks, this is why they have been given more time. It's not to do with favourtism. Had Frost walked into the job with us on a 5 match winning streak, then went achieved this set of results people would be calling for his head. Likewise had Day been sacked with us bottom of the league without a win in 10, you also wouldn't have been judged so quickly. The fact is we were very depleted & getting results in the weeks before Christmas. 

Whilst you were disappointed to only have 12 players, this also meant you did have a bit of budget to play with to make some signings. I said at half time v Alfreton Purse should be subbed off and never seen again. Fyfield should never have been switched to left back a few games later. The players that had defended well for us that season were largely sill at the club. Sadly Purse signed and things went tits up.

I do agree that you didn't have an iota of luck or the rub of the green. I also think you would have done alright with a pre season & things conspired against you in your time with the club. 

Without running a parallel universe to see if we would have stayed up with you in charge it's impossible to say if it was the right decision or not. We did stay up so for me that makes the sacking you the right decision. This year Faz has ruined us, so that makes him a a very bad appointment. As for Frost he will be judged properly around October.

Interesting comments but I think there's a real grudge against Faz here;

'The mess the club are in stems from having an injured right back under contract that wanted the managers job as on verge of retirement'

At the time Faz had experience of the club, was a great player for us and did actually secure us safety from relegation - on your form Jody - we were down. I agree with a lot of comments you've made though but at the end of the day your record wasnt good enough and the change the club made kept us up. 

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Sidcup Graham wrote:

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I was always taught never to air my dirty laundry in public.

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 Thing is, a lot of what Jody says; we know. Thats how it is at Welling. 

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Reading through all the above again just highlights all the mistakes that were made. So what lessons are to be learned? For me there are 2, firstly don't change things unless it's certain that the change is for the better, secondly the communication between the owners / team management / fans needs to be more open and drastically improved.

Some interesting stuff in there and will need it to read it a few times before making an accurate response. However talking about cheerleaders and then getting one of his own to come on here and back him up has made me chuckle.

Faz was a playing legend at PVR and that, in hindsight, probably bought him more time at the club than he warranted - I agree with that. Where Mr Brown fell down in my opinion was originally by bringing in has beens who were nowhere near up to this level and then compounded that error by alienating the supporters - never a good move at any football club be it Barcelona or Welling United.

Jody Brown got 1 point from 9 games. Faz got 12 points from 11 games. Had we continued under Brown we would have gone down. However, as I have repeated on here several times, in my opinion we did not stay up because Faz and Co were geniuses but because three teams were already basically down and Alfreton were even worse than us (as we proved by outplaying them with 10 men for 75 minutes in the penultimate game of last season)

The only positive from the Brown regime was Dom Vose.

I don't think it comes as much of a surprise to those of us that have been around a while that we aren't run like most other clubs. Frankly I was rather surprised when you were appointed, not due to any deficiencies on your behalf, just that you were an 'outside' voice that might challenge the way things are done. It has long struck me that if you are familiar with the peculiarities of this club and are likely to be any good, you have a far better chance of getting the gig than an outside candidate. Sadly I suspect that you would be held up, rightly or wrongly, as evidence that it doesn't work when they tried to go outside this ethos.

Will it change? You have to look at what the incentive is for change. If you can make a better living out of running the club than any other avenues open to you and, monetarily, there is not much difference between the divisions you are left with intangibles like ambition. In a war with cold hard cash, that loses every time.

You were dealt a hospital pass. I thought you did as well as you could in the four games until the window opened. I understand the need for bodies and several indeed provided good service and value. You can't legislate for someone having brain fade on the pitch but you can limit their opportunity to have it. Whilst he hasn't been as prolific this season, Jake does have the tendency to be a walking red card at this level. With Purse, all his experience and previous talent did not appear to make up for other deficiencies. We can only go with what we see as individuals but it did seem he was preferred over those we had seen previously turn in better performances. That, along with the seeming side lining of Jefford and Corne may not have helped our understanding of what you were trying to do.

I think the post Nuneaton comments might not have been terminal if we had turned up that day, had a really good go, and been unlucky to lose. I think we all thought that if you can't at least try to impose ourselves in a game of that magnitude against a side as bad as us, we weren't looking forward with a great deal of hope.

Faz was in charge of the team when we stayed up. The fact that he reverted to some of the players who had been in Day's regime obviously bought him some goodwill with the support and I certainly will never know exactly how much he did but we did retain our status so he should get some credit. I did not agree with him getting the job straight after the Alfreton game though.

What was subsequently inexcusable was contracting players who had shown no sign of being up to the task previously. If other signings had made up for this maybe we would have been alright. However, they have not. The rot well and truly started when we potentially sacrificed points on the altar of a good FA Cup run. We are not good enough to do that and I am still waiting for them to be made up later in the season, as we were promised (and failed to believe at the time!!).

We wait 24 years for a home Cup tie against a League club and on seeing the team sheet, and one individual in particular, knew what the outcome would be. You just don't remove the hope from your support like that and survive unless things dramatically improve and they didn't. I know several H&W supporters and they reckon they have been garbage this season and we were still worse... and failed to acknowledge it!

So were Frost and Ashby the 'safe' route if change had to be made (and again that may have been down to cold hard cash, or its likely absence going forward). Probably. Do they have the talent without Day and are we able to form a fair judgment on what we are seeing. I don't know the answer to either at the moment but again they have had a similar hospital pass. I find it likely they will be given at least the start of next season for us all to find out and we must hope, if so, that they are. I can't see us going for an 'outside' appointment if we changed. That would just shine the spotlight on places people would rather stayed dark.

We still have the conundrum of whether to expend effort on that which looks like it will never change. As for yourself, devote the energy of the residual animosity towards the club to your current endeavours. Whilst it obviously wouldn't seem like it on the day, the fair minded amongst us would probably reconcile it if you one day came back and demonstrated your ability with your own team and put on a bit of a show against us. At least we could all then say that the appointment was right and for whatever reason it didn't work out in your time with us.

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Why should the original message be posted in the first place? We all know the failings and state  of the club, and the miracles Jamie day produced. As I have stated before, the club nearly got wound up, and were seriously struggling to  keep alive, and then Jamie goes and takes the Wings into the conference.The club was totally unprepared at every level for the shock of entering The Conference again. Why Messrs Brown and Pitt have decided to post on here to  air their comments is jumping on the band wagon, when the club is down, and taking the opportunity to post their grievances and comments it's really pathetic. It begs the question did they do enough homework on the structure of the club and how it operated on a shoe string, before they signed up. It's one thing having plans for the future, and another when the club was in crises, and needing a solution based on the position, financial state  and structure of the club at the time. The comments of B & P are totally irrelevant, and really sad they have decided to  post on this forum when they have long gone, and even sadder that comments have been made on their postings when everyone knows what's wrong.

 

 

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Totally unprepared kind of sums up the problem. 6th with a points deduction costing us a spot in the play offs and losing in the play off final hardly constitutes no warning as to the fact we had an improving team and manager that might have got promoted. The real surprise was that it was automatic an not via the play offs.

And as I recall, 43 kindly souls were given six weeks warning that they might be needed to save the club... AND DID IT! 

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Well there's only 2 people that can edit/remove posts on this forum. That's either me, or the person who posted it...and it wasn't me! Not sure why Jody has gone on his long rant, especially if he's not willing to keep them on the forum for more than a day,

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I don't believe there was anything outright defamatory or libellous (and clearly you did not either or you would probably have removed it). I do wonder though that, in the light of the way the FA treat the use of social media (effectively suspending the right of free speech for anyone in a sanctionable position within the game - that is another debate!), whether he subsequently thought it might lead to some form of FA charge.

We do have free speech and, by extension, the right to retract. However, I for one have far more respect for those who think first, still post if it is controversial and then back it up with good logical argument than those who subsequently equivocate and withdraw, especially if what they were saying appears to have sound basis.