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If we win we could catapult ourselves up to 11th place. Hopefully we can get at them early and hopefully their heads will drop.

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They are poor at the back, hopefully we start well and get at them and build on Saturday's good result. A few wins on the bounce and we are right up there as its an open league and some of the clubs up there won't stay there.



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#WUFC:

1Barnes
2Dymond (C)
3Jefford
4H. Phipps
5Coyle
6Parkinson
7Monakana
8Jebb
9Bojaj
10E. Phipps
11Nanetti

And on the bench tonight... Durojaiye, Pattison, Francis, Gayle, PJD.

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1-0 Harry Phipps



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Durojaiwe on for Harry Phipps



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1-0 Half Time



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Appalling second half....no pressurising....no midfield...never strung 3 passes together......however we are 11th..woop woop !!!

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Trying to look at things positively, that's 6 points in 4 days and 2 clean sheets. The conditions were a huge leveller tonight, you can see how they are bottom, but we were pretty awful and the final whistle was a relief.

Monakana was a different player to Saturday and I would struggle to point out a M.O.M as nobody was better than a 6/10.

Was it just me that saw Eli get the final touch for the goal?

On to Saturday where hopefully a few squad players get a run out and we quickly forget about this one.

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Good first half but real struggle in the second. Phipps getting injured did not help as he was having a good game in the middle. Still, it's a big 3 points with another clean sheet to move us up!

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Highest position in the league for 3 years...

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Three points so I guess that's about all we should remember, but it was dire in the 2nd half. The weather was obviously a factor but they were willing to go for it, often too physically with the ref missing far too much. So a match to forget but take the points, and I hope our guys didn't pick up too many knocks.



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Thought back four played well. Parkinson MOM. first half looked like we could get in behind at will but didn't kill the game off. Second half a poor spectacle all round, nervy but held on 3 points and that's what counts.

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6 points from the last two games was required and it is what we achieved. Was it pretty last night no, can we improve on that performance, yes. But we won, so well done all.

It is away from home that is going to be the key as to whether or not we can compete higher up the table or not now.

 

 



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Highest position in the league for 3 years...


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A very strange game last night - started strongly and could have been two up very early on. Got the goal and, despite the odd scare, I was confident at half time that we would kick on and put the game to bed...how wrong I was! The second half was abject and we were fortunate to be playing a side who were low on confidence and with little idea on how to break us down. Credit to our keeper for the great save in the first half and to the back four for a second successive clean sheet. We got the six points from the two home games and are now sitting mid table but still have a long way to go based on last night.

Conditions were poor but once again I find myself questioning the fitness levels of some. I realise that we have just played 11 games in under 6 weeks and only had one training session a week which is probably a recovery session after the Tuesday games. However it is the same for all the other clubs. I am a little concerned that we almost seem obsessed with 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 and the only changes we make are personnel and never to the shape of the team. A lot of teams play 3 in central midfield and we are struggling to compete at times. If the two wide players tuck in and defend that is fine but that is not always the case and too often they run down blind alleys, lose the ball and put us under pressure. We missed Phipps and Healy in the second half last night but they have also been overrun at times and a third body in there, especially away from home, makes perfect sense to me. Flo Bo shows some very nice touches and awareness but is patently unfit yet they kept him out there for 90 minutes and took the younger, fitter striker off?!

Some interesting decisions to be made on loan players this coming week. I like the lad Phipps from Maidstone but it looked like a nasty injury last night which could keep him out for a while?? I understand the Colchester lads are eligible to play on Saturday but I don't know about the Sutton lads. I was hoping Jebb would take the chance to impress last night but that didn't happen. His set piece delivery is excellent but he has to offer more than that. Monakana is very hit and miss - almost unplayable at times and then drifts out of a game and is largely ineffective. If both Sutton lads are not permitted to play in the FA Cup then it makes little sense to me in extending the loans so it might be time for the likes of Pattison (and PJD if he ever gets fit...) to stake a claim.

Hopefully we will be playing two or three cup ties in the next month - having said that another performance like the second half last night and it might only be the one...!

Up the Wings!

 



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Thought back four played well. Parkinson MOM. first half looked like we could get in behind at will but didn't kill the game off. Second half a poor spectacle all round, nervy but held on 3 points and that's what counts.


Sorry but for me Parkinson was by far our worst player. I cannot recall a 5 yard pass from him all night. As part of our management team he should be realising that after his 3rd or 4th attempted 50 yard pass he needs to change his approach. If the tapes are watched back, I can only predict he was in double figures of attempted 50 yard passes.

It was also mentioned above that we have no midfield, not entirely sure that was all their fault as we looked to bypass them from the back all night.

Anyway a very ugly 3 points and a clean sheet will do for now with hopefully better performances down the road.  COYW



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Disagree. Defenders are there to defend and he did that all night. I thought welling played out from the back a lot more than saturday and to me with Healey missing actually lacked someone from midfield coming deeper to collect the ball off the back four to make things happen. 

A play maker and big strong physical midfielder would for me give Welling that extra edge



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Highest position in the league for 3 years...


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 Self evidently not as bottom of National always higher than South. By that logic our league position is better than Leicester's



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50 yard balls wide or in channels is what beat us all last season. You wont concede if you hit it into their defensive area and its up to a winger or striker to get hold of the ball and beat a defender or hold it up as we get up the pitch. Unfortunately there arent a lot of Beckenbaurs in non league who can bring it out carry it 40 yards then pass. We only play a two in midfield too so expecting us to ping it around in midfield from defence and turn it into a free flowing attack is like hoping for rocking horses to shiiit.

A ball up field isn't only the right ball if it goes to one of our players, it clears our lines and can lead to a quick attack.



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50 yard balls wide or in channels is what beat us all last season. You wont concede if you hit it into their defensive area and its up to a winger or striker to get hold of the ball and beat a defender or hold it up as we get up the pitch. Unfortunately there arent a lot of Beckenbaurs in non league who can bring it out carry it 40 yards then pass. We only play a two in midfield too so expecting us to ping it around in midfield from defence and turn it into a free flowing attack is like hoping for rocking horses to shiiit.

A ball up field isn't only the right ball if it goes to one of our players, it clears our lines and can lead to a quick attack.



-- Edited by TheGhostOfJodyBrown on Wednesday 13th of September 2017 03:58:38 PM


 Which none of the current incumbents are doing on a regular basis (or even occasionally for that matter). If we can't hold it up and give the defence a breather then put an extra body in the middle of the park and try to control a game that way. It was the ineptitude of Whitehawk in the second half that won us the game last night as much as anything that we were trying to do.

I have no problem with defenders clearing their lines and playing the percentage ball - Parky has started to do that much more consistently in recent games and stopped overplaying and being caught in possession.  He is a much more effective centre half because of it.



-- Edited by Wingnut on Wednesday 13th of September 2017 04:28:52 PM

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6 points, 2 clean sheets, highest position since Goldberg took over.........

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TheGhostOfJodyBrown wrote:

You wont concede if you hit it into their defensive area and its up to a winger or striker to get hold of the ball and beat a defender or hold it up as we get up the pitch. Unfortunately there arent a lot of Beckenbaurs in non league who can bring it out carry it 40 yards then pass. We only play a two in midfield too so expecting us to ping it around in midfield from defence and turn it into a free flowing attack is like hoping for rocking horses to shiiit.

A ball up field isn't only the right ball if it goes to one of our players, it clears our lines and can lead to a quick attack.



-- Edited by TheGhostOfJodyBrown on Wednesday 13th of September 2017 03:58:38 PM


 Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. Hopeful upfield punts that go straight to your opponents simply encourage another attack.

Yes there is a time when you need to get rid of the ball, but if you have time you should always be looking to find a member of your own team. That way you don't have someone chasing a stray ball like a headless chicken and being disheartened when their is no final result.

We played this way (decent ball to feet football) away at Braintree and it was the best performance I have seen from a Welling side for the past couple of seasons. I would rather see us try and play football, than piss boring route one that has no end product, but just leaves both players and supporters disheartened.



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stafford wrote:
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Highest position in the league for 3 years...


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 Self evidently not as bottom of National always higher than South. By that logic our league position is better than Leicester's


 Ok highest position we have been in a league...which when you think about it is pretty poor. 



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Jamison wrote:
stafford wrote:
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Highest position in the league for 3 years...


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 Self evidently not as bottom of National always higher than South. By that logic our league position is better than Leicester's


 Ok highest position we have been in a league...which when you think about it is pretty poor. 


 Except if we had made 11th in the National League or even say 15th there would have been a parade down Welling High Street.



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