BUT it was more than likely we would have a reserves this year, any news, i realise that theres the possibilty of the Colts playing in a revamped better league too. Maybe Neil will mention wether we will have a Capital League team or not. Or Gary or Jim maybe able to give us some info.
Has Kens team bean disbanded and are any of them (Rishy and Gabs etc) to be offered a contract and place in the squad?
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I will be brief because there is a posting to come from myself on this matter in the not too distant future.
Following information given at a meeting last week between Gary Lisney and some parents from this years KYL U18's it would appear that there will be neither a Reserve side nor a midweek U18 side. Next year there will be 1 KYL U18 side managed by Gary himself.
This years U18's are to quote "not a very good side" but they have the opportunity to attend trials which will last up to 4 weeks sometime in July.
I believe 5 of Ken's lads have signed/are signing for other clubs who snapped them up when it became known that Ken had resigned and their future was in doubt - others are actively seeking new sides. Haven't heard anything about Rishi and Gabs, who was a year 2 player, told me after the Bromley match that he had several irons in the fire.
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Misunderstanding which I need to clear up - I haven't switched into the coming season yet. It is the side which represented Welling United at Under 18 in 2006/7, who in an outsiders opinion were never fully embraced by Welling United or Welling United Youth (but were by the first team manager and his team ) who "were not a very good side" in the opinion of Gary Lisney who saw them once. The Under 16's who represented Welling United were, again in the opinion of Gary Lisney, a better side and would have beaten them. So don't worry folks.
Many were indeed given the opportunity to play for the first team in the County Cups and Rishi and Gabs made first team appearances. Unlike in the previous season having trained with the first team and been monitored by Ade they were not just called up cold to ensure a side could be put out when Welling wanted to rest many of the first team as a big match was coming up. It helped Welling United and contributed the lads development, they didn't show themselves up and indeed they formed the bulk of the squad who put Cray Wanderers first team out of the Kent Senior Cup. In my opinion their involvement with the first team was a win/win scenario - just a shame that other teams and not Welling United will benefit from all the hard work put in.
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Obviously you think you have chapter and verse yet again.
Whilst some of the points you make are a true reflection of my meeting with 3 of the parents, most of what you have reported as the facts, is actually bollocks....yes complete bollocks...
However, I'm sure it pleases your little minds and fills your sad lives to write crap on here...
12 months ago you had 2 teams asa youth system....now we have 18
My understanding is that we WILL have a Conference youth league side next season (college based) and a reserve side is still a possibility ( some developments this week hopefully)
However, you have choosen to take the views of a few parents as chapter and verse....
I have given you both the opportunity to speak to me directly in order to ensure factual information is posted here....I have now reached the conclusion your not interested in the FACTS....you would rather write bollocks....nothing new there...
Anyway, just for the record (for others who may be interested in some truth)
Yes I meet with 3 of the U18 parents... Yes I expressed my opinion that not all of them would be good enough No i did NOT say they were crap (although I did make the point that Bromley were very good!) I alone do not make the decisions for WUY...we are a committee of members would form the decision making body. Yes all the members commit many hours (unpaid) to the continued development of the youth section. Establishing a reserve side is not part of the youth sections responsibility, although we obviously have an interest in providing a stepping stone for those with potential. Yes football is about opinions and mine, after just 1 match was expressed, although I qualified this many, many times by saying, it would be unfair to judge everyone on 1 match. Yes, I actually do believe some of the under 16's have more potential..Some have joined from a proffessional club background and have proven ability...will they actually be good enough...who knows. No, I did not say all the U16's are better than the U18's... Yes I did tell the parents i met that some of the U16's are not good enough for next season either. Yes i did say that possibly next years squad would consist of a mix of this years best U16's and U18's Yes I did tell the parents that we would invite everyone from last years U18;s to this years preseason training, along with applications from outside players and those of the U16;s I think have potential to play at that level.
It is a fact of football that some players choose to move on....get over it. If these players do not wish to play for Welling, that is their choice...and dont give me any bull**** about not being wanted..their young men (and their parents are adults) My number is on the web site and I asked Ken to ensure all players (or parents) had it...
Finally, yes...very few people attended the youth AGM.... proof if ever needed that plenty of pricks want to have a pop but actually offer **** all constructive...
Oh, and btw...we held our club presentation day last Sunday...A hugely successfull day....and Kens team didnt attend, although im not suprised, afterall, they do only use the club name. Finally...i promise...we have been established for 1 season...The committee meet every month and all team managers are invited to attend and actively participate to improve things...guess how many Ken attended...Yep you guessed...same number as you have friends.....
Now unless you wish to discuss facts, highly unlikey....I will waste my time no more...
Its interesting that you have chosen to incorporate bits from 2 other postings and things which havent been commented on. I have absolutely no intention of phoning but will respond to your points in the public arena.
"Yes I meet with 3 of the U18 parents"
As stated
"My understanding is that we WILL have a Conference youth league side next season (college based) and a reserve side is still a possibility (some developments this week hopefully)"
I reported that from what you said to the parents it would appear that there will be no reserve or midweek side NOT that there wouldnt be one and that is precisely the opinion that you gave those parents.They were Im sure looking for positive information on these matters and it is unlikely that I would have had the same information from more than one of them ifthat was not the impression you gave them.
"Yes I expressed my opinion that not all of them would be good enough"
No comment was made upon whether all of them were good enough.What you said was that they were not a very good side.
"Yes football is about opinions and mine, after just 1 match was expressed, although I qualified this many, many times by saying, it would be unfair to judge everyone on 1 match."
I put it to you that what actually happened was that after watching one match you slated one player not being aware that one of the parents was his Dad and that upon discovering this you backtracked saying perhaps he had a bad day and did the same in respect of the rest of the team.
"Yes I did tell the parents that we would invite everyone from last years U18;s to this years preseason training, along with applications from outside players and those of the U16;s I think have potential to play at that level"and
"Yes i did say that possibly next years squad would consist of a mix of this years best U16's and U18's"
That in essence is what was posted
"Yes all the members commit many hours (unpaid) to the continued development of the youth section"
Taken from another thread where I was saying exactly that.
"It is a fact of football that some players choose to move on....get over it. If these players do not wish to play for Welling, that is their choice...and dont give me any bull**** about not being wanted..their young men (and their parents are adults) My number is on the web site and I asked Ken to ensure all players (or parents) had it..."
Taken from another thread.When at the end of the season players dont know what is happening (and indeed from your own posting this still isnt clear) they naturally consider offers which are made from elsewhere to ensure that their football is secured for next season.Such opportunities are unlikely to be around in 4-6 weeks time.All of the boys without exception wore the Welling shirt with pride and had there been opportunities they may well not have moved on.
The lads and parents were given your number, hence the meeting.
"No, I did not say all the U16's are better than the U18's"
Introduced by you in your post.Nor were you reported as saying so what was said was that you said the U16s were a better side and would have beaten the U18s.
"No i did NOT say they were crap"
Introduced by you in your post.Nobody has said that you did
"Yes, I actually do believe some of the under 16's have more potential..Some have joined from a proffessional club background and have proven ability...will they actually be good enough...who knows."
Introduced by you in your post.Certainly in my opinion Danny Alders (Aldous) and Louis Dean acquitted themselves well in the Maidstone game and I said so at the time.Again in my opinion the goalkeeper who played in the Home League match with Tonbridge Angels looked good and was instrumental in preventing Tonbridge from getting more than the one goal by which they won the game.
"12 months ago you had 2 teams as a youth system....now we have 18"
Introduced by you in your post presumably purely as information.Im not sure that Welling United Youth as it stands is a youth system as I said in the What a Waste posting which had plenty of facts I firmly believe that a youth system has to be owned by and run for the benefit of the Club not its community set up.
"I alone do not make the decisions for WUY...we are a committee of members would form the decision making body"
Introduced by you in your post presumably purely as information.
"Yes I did tell the parents i met that some of the U16's are not good enough for next season either"
Introduced by you.Must surely have been taken as read when trials have been set up.
"Establishing a reserve side is not part of the youth sections responsibility, although we obviously have an interest in providing a stepping stone for those with potential."
Introduced by you. Nobody said it was and indeed I would have very grave concerns if it were decided that they did but it is hardly a secret that you were involved in discussions about this without Ade and Ken who surely had a role.
"Finally, yes...very few people attended the youth AGM....proof if ever needed that plenty of pricks want to have a pop but actually offer **** all constructive..."
Taken from another thread. A statement of fact and used out of context to allow an abusive comment.
"Finally Oh, and btw...we held our club presentation day last Sunday...A hugely successfull day....and Kens team didnt attend, although im not suprised, afterall, they do only use the club name. Finally...i promise...we have been established for 1 season...The committee meet every month and all team managers are invited to attend and actively participate to improve things...guess how many Ken attended...Yep you guessed...same number as you have friends"
Not for me to comment. Ken reads this site and may perhaps have some comment either on the site, though his integrity would no doubt mean he said little, or directly.
"However, I'm sure it pleases your little minds and fills your sad lives to write crap on here..." and
"most of what you have reported as the facts, is actually bollocks....yes complete bollocks..."
I think not. Look again at the points actually made and not your additions designed to put up a smokescreen, to try and support your case and of course discredit me.
There, and I didn't once feel the need to resort to saying you talked bollocks or call you a prick (albeit you did so by implication.) I wonder why!
-- Edited by bruno at 04:27, 2007-06-14
-- Edited by bruno at 21:32, 2007-06-14
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Despite trying to ensure some people had up to date information regarding our asperations and plans for the future it is obvious that we are in a no win situation. In an effort to build some bridges between this forum and the club, I personally decided to speak directly to Bruno and GJFC and the phone. It is obviously impossible to strike a right balance between informing people honestly and not telling anyone anything, either way we seem to get it wrong in your opinion.
These efforts have unfortunately been a waste of mine and their time.
After consideration and discussion with other committee members we have decided to withdraw any involvment with this forum. A shame but necessary.
Neither, I or any other committee member, will post on here again.
I would however, request that direct reference to particular players either named directly or implied is removed. The Youth section players are still minors according to FA regulations and naming or refering to players directly is inappropriate.
One final point...
My original reply above was in response to several postings..Bruno is correct in some of the information he has posted, however, much has been posted completely out of context of the conversations at the time. To be fair you both may well be reporting the information as presented to you...It just dissapoints me you have taken it without confirming its context or accurracy.
You may approve or disagree all you want with the progress we continue to make.
Gary do us a favour and sod of to dulwich or millwall or fisher, as its you that has contributed to us losing the 18s . jealous of someone having success??
Your posts are laughable. Im sure youve mentioned players on here other the months at one stage. Shall i report you to the kent FA
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How about what you called someone at the Kent FA is that not some misconduct charge? Lets talk about when your team were threatened to be kicked out of the League as you never paid a fine...
OOOOOOOOOOOOOH theres loads i could say but ill consider it over a few bevvies tonight.
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Id also like to say that the naming of youth players etc etc
This is an independent forum and again i would imagine that you have named players or implied and if i find one instance in the logs i'll report you to the FA
You are an official, we are supporters and some are family and you are a mug.
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You mentioned that players names have been used on this forum. Can i ask you who named them and when as i am more than interested in the point you make.
Also what progress are you talking about.
Although i'm sure neither of points will be answered as you will not be reading anything that points out that you have no-one but yourself ( and perhaps Millwall, Dulwich or Fisher, but not Welling) at the fore front of any of your actions.
The fact that I have no intention of phoning you is that I have no intention of wasting my time and being abused as you did on the forum. You made your statements in the public arena and I chose to exercise my right to respond in the public arena.
As far as WUY committee members not posting on the forum goes I have to say that I have never seen an update regarding aspirations and plans for the future outside of the information about the possible Blue Square Youth side made in your post and that certainly wasnt made to let people know what was happening. Additionally neither the U16s nor U14s took up the invitation to use the KYL website for the publicising of matches, Club and/or team news or use the promotional facilities for their sponsors.
I dont believe that the naming of players without accompanying photos does contravene the FA regulations but would be more than happy if you could direct me to the appropriate reference material if I have failed to pick up on that. Toys and prams?
As far as the accuracy of information I received goes in my experience when talking independently to two or more people it is highly unlikely that will report conversations using exactly the same words unless that is what was said. Maybe Ive led a very sheltered life though since I spent 27 years in HR I suspect not. I will let people make their own judgements about how much of my information was correct.
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I dont post much anymore or get to many games (as i'd like) due to other committements in football and i dont know the ins and outs of this particular "discussion" but for what its worth heres my two penny worth
The establishment of a reserve side for the wings would i think we all agree be a massive benefit to the club and everybody would want to see it, but, in which League??? The Kent Div1 or 2 is IMO a non starter because to be honest it would be of no benefit to the 1st team because the standard, whilst better than a lot of people give it credit for is not high enough to produce players for the con. south, simple as so the midweek reso league is where they need to be but then the question is, where would they play???? PVR would be a non starter because of the groundshare so the cost of hiring a venue would have to come into the equation and that aint cheap!!!! so that would have to be taken into account, ditto a midweek U18's.
The KYL is a decent standard and from personal experience i can say its a rewarding league to be part of but to expect young lads to go straight from that into the 1s (albeit cup games admittedly) is a VERY big ask and whilst i know that was done on a couple of occasions by Ade it is not ideal.
So what is the answer??? i dont know to be frank but what i do know is that however he comes across on here Gary is a decent bloke and both him and Jim work hard behind the scenes to help improve the Club, and yes i do know them both personally and have worked with them at another club. JGFC i have had slight dealings with and whilst i dont know him personally he is someone who i think is passionate about the club and has strong views but so what ahvent we all??? Bruno i dont know so cant comment on.
But at the end of the day one thing all these guys seem to have is a desire to help the club, they may not agree on much but if they did this wouldnt be Welling would it!!
PS on a (more cheeky) note if any young players out there who have just finished 18's are looking for a club PM me and i may be able to help
Oh, and btw...we held our club presentation day last Sunday...A hugely successful day....and Kens team didnt attend, although I'm not surprised, after all, they do only use the club name. Finally...i promise...we have been established for 1 season...The committee meet every month and all team managers are invited to attend and actively participate to improve things...guess how many Ken attended...Yep you guessed...same number as you have friends.....
I know that Ken has read the above but his integrity has obviously prevented him from getting involved in a public debate. I feel it is a great shame that Gary decided to tell half a story in an attempt to create a very negative image of Ken. I know I said I couldnt comment at the time but on reflection I feel that it is only fair to Ken that the other half be made public.
It is true that Ken did not attend any of the WUY meetings, however, the reason was made clear to Gary from the outset and that was that he was unable to attend meetings on Monday nights since this was one of the nights the team trained with the first team and he was involved with that training at Ades behest. He did however request that he be sent minutes of the meetings but these were never forthcoming. As far as the presentation day goes Ken personally did not attend as it was his 25th Wedding anniversary on the Tuesday 12th June and his family laid on a surprise meal on the Sunday, a fact he made the Secretary aware of before the event.
I would add that Ken did all the Kent Youth League administration for WUY which involved at least weekly contact with the KYL on matters relating to Welling Uniteds 3 sides, and Gary and Martin, the other managers, regarding matches, referees etc. I know for a fact that he was well regarded by the management team at the KYL, and their regard for him is something which may well become apparent in the near future.
Ken, though an Eagles supporter for more years than he probably cares to recall (well somebody has to support them dont they), was regarded by Ade as part of his team and adopted Welling United as his second team and attended many 1st team matches, both home and away.
Hardly the image that Gary was portraying in my view.
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Oh, and btw...we held our club presentation day last Sunday...A hugely successful day....and Kens team didnt attend, although I'm not surprised, after all, they do only use the club name. Finally...i promise...we have been established for 1 season...The committee meet every month and all team managers are invited to attend and actively participate to improve things...guess how many Ken attended...Yep you guessed...same number as you have friends.....
Saying a fan has no friends, slagging off a club official and having digs....
QUALITY!! And this from someone who is paid by Millwall and Dulwich!!!
I have heard rumours, but they will be forthcoming soon. I firmly believe Mr Lisney will not be good for Welling United FC and i also believe he wont be here long.
I hope Neil Takes control of the 18s and brings in his own man as they will be stepping up in the County Cup, League Cup and where they are good enough.
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