Exactly - give him time, we could still win the league! Let's not turn into a bunch of armchair Arsenal/Man U fans who write into places like the London Lite and say sack the manager after they've not won a few games.


It's times like these when the team really need your support - it's easy to support your team when you are top of the league but when you've had a bad run is the time you really need to get behind them

Grantham Town? Learn something new everyday.

Not sure who said Neil's managerial experience was relatively successful? I suppose it was but 6 games is a very short time.

Having said that Daish still gets mentioned after his spell of 4 games!

Gary

Hes been here more than 5 games, He didnt sign a player for over a month. He saw them "perform in pre season" so has had over 10 games to look at them. We have had an easy start and cant compete or get points from the easy games.

I would like to ask in your opinion, With the players Neil has Signed, With his lack of experience, With the previous results thus far. In Your opinion how is he going to turn it around , the longer he stays the harder the job is for a new manager.

I will refer you to my point earlier, Why do we use 90% of the time inexperienced or virgin managers, it must be for a reason, either they are cheap or can be used as puppets by the owner(s) or not good enough in the vast majority. Someone was looking (Russ i think) for a common denominator a few years ago, he said something like "Managers come and managers go but the same old shi t is served up to us" The common denominator is the standard of Managers we hire. Change this (Change the owner for me too) and i think we could compete. Because off the pitch we are pooh and decisions off the park have huge affects on the performances off it.

I wouldnt have a thing to say against Neil as a person, i dont know him.. He seems ok but what he has done at welling so far has been utter pants and shows no sign of improving.

One further point. People may say Bill Williams was experienced... Yeah but he was past it and slightly eccentric, going for a long holiday during season (and the club agreeing to it!!!).

There are plenty of managers who have had success that have applied for past jobs at PVR none have even made a short list... WHY?

I bet they dont even apply any more.



-- Edited by JgFc at 12:46, 2007-08-29

Hes been here more than 5 games, He didnt sign a player for over a month. He saw them "perform in pre season" so has had over 10 games to look at them. We have had an easy start and cant compete or get points from the easy games.

Pre-season games are a million miles away from league matches in my mind. If he didn't sign a player for over a month then i doubt that was lack of trying (no doubt budget and players leaving their options open played a part).

I would like to ask in your opinion, With the players Neil has Signed, With his lack of experience, With the previous results thus far. In Your opinion how is he going to turn it around , the longer he stays the harder the job is for a new manager.

I've been impressed with some of the players i've seen. Mucu, Coleman, Leon, Moore all look good. We've got some good players and hopefully they'll perform soon. In my opinion i don't know how he can get the right balance of players, right tactics, fitness etc etc but time will tell. I'm no football manager. If he don't then he goes but not after 5 games.

Why do we use 90% of the time inexperienced or virgin managers, it must be for a reason, either they are cheap or can be used as puppets by the owner(s) or not good enough in the vast majority.

We probably get what we can afford, who impresses at the interview and who wants to come to the club - i suppose this does lead to inexperienced managers. We only get 500 through the gate - that limits us on all sorts of levels (plus the lack of commercial activities, council backing etc - separate issue).

I wouldnt have a thing to say against Neil as a person.
Sticking his face on a joker card is bit over the top in my opinion

One further point. People may say Bill Williams was experienced... Yeah but he was past it and slightly eccentric, going for a long holiday during season (and the club agreeing to it!!!).
I agree with all that.

There are plenty of managers who have had success that have applied for past jobs at PVR none have even made a short list... WHY?
I'd like to know that too.

Jgfc - what do you want to see happen then - you criticise all the time so I am genuinely asking what would you like to see happen at the club??

And away - I particularly like the away shirt. It normaly takes a few weeks of the seaon to get them into the shop.

JgFc wrote:

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'There isnt a lot of good to see to be fair. You cant pull the club up on their lack of professionalism or the way they run the club. Even if you are right. But you can lay most of the blame at the way we cut our cloth. '

Hang on Jg, you often criticise the club, the Chairman etc, now you are saying that the club is run in a professional manner?



Decent Managers apply but none get a look in. If you pay peanuts you get monkeys but i believe the club employ unproven inexperienced managers because they wont be successful on a low budget, wont give the owner grief about wanting this or that but what do i know.

I'm pretty sure that Adie didn't have a huge budget, but he and Phil did a bloody good job last year.

Id love to come on here and say hey that was good well done barrie on this or that or for being more professional or for sorting the reserves/youth or commercial department, or for coming out and saying we want to go up and will be trying and backing Neil financially and improving off the pitch.

More professional ?  You have already stated that the club is run in a professional way. I agree with you about the commercial aspect and I still think that Welling United need to be more in the forefront of the local community.

Its soul destroying to be honest i know Adie thought the club had huge potential i'll say no more that that so i dont embarrass Adie.

The club has huge potential, but to gain rewards, what do you have to do?  Spend money.......if so, what on first?
Ground improvement?  Let's face it, PRV could do with a massive face lift.....eg Toilet facilities.  Would ground improvements bring in more revenue...........corporate etc?
Players?  If we spend money on players, we still couldn't guarantee success, but, as shown so far this season, we need them.
We all feel it's soul destroying, so let's look forward to the future. Maybe things will turn around in the second half of the season and Mr Hobbins will stick his hands in his pockets and improve things in general.

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CJ im saying you cannot slag sl ag the club off over the way they are run or you get stick off them and sent to a small suburb of coventry..

Ive always said we are "run like a sunday league team" off the pitch its terrible, shocking.

Can anyone tell me how piggy is qualified to be general manager or is that just a name for the the late G.Hobbins wages that was being taken out of the club each week? ... Surely bringing in an experienced general manager would have been the call? But i spose naming someone else as GM keeps the finances "in house"

-- Edited by JgFc at 13:43, 2007-08-30

Can anyone tell me how piggy is qualified to be general manager

Do you honestly think that for the last 20 years he's only collected the footballs from Danson Park?

MarkX wrote:

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What is in a title - nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!

Piggy is a mainstay of the club!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are actually talking a complete load of bollocks!!!!!!!!

You know nothing at all and as soon as everyone konws that we will all be happier

Mx

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Ok mate but lets keep this civil. If i know nothing i will pin you in a corner and ask you to comment on these, as for talking bo llocks... hmmmmm

1 Managers, Why do we always have inexperienced and unproven on the whole
2 Commercially , why do we not generate enough income commercially to have a decent budget
3 Reserve Team, Why do we not have a reserve team at this level to help with fitness and looking at players
4 Why is our Chairman not the person who funds the club and in the press its always Barrie (Formerley GH) as the owner
5 Why do we not have a board of directors
6 WSU , if its working why did it lose a grand on Tommy Smith night and why isnt it supoorted (Cancelling events etc etc and them coming on here pleading to get behind them?
7 Why hasnt their site been updated in 2 years?
8 Why is it self elected? and Sanctioned by the club
9 Why were none of my "one or two" good ideas used
10 Why have we only 3 or 4 times in 20 years finished better than 9th
11 Why do we lose players to lower level teams and cannot sign players at thos level who would be wanted by other clubs
12 Why did only those close to WSU or the club join Sponsor a Goal and why is no finances or items/news on SAG ever released via the official site or the forum
13 Why did Paul Pettet and GMHP Walk away from working unpaid for the club citing the way its run off the pitch as the main reason
14 Why did Steve Holly step down from the WSU role?
15 Why is the bar(s) not utilised during the week/weekends
16 Barry... Why is he qualified to do a role that is a huge role at the club when there are clearly more experienced people that could be brought in. And it is a vital area. Perhaps barry could answer that civilly on here? And all will be clear.
17 Why when we had a former premiership Commercial manager at Welling in Chris Tugwell do we now have one who is part time and clearly not generate funds to improve the budget as it was cut 3 times in the last year!!!!!!!
18 Why did we lose a loan player last year when the admin wasnt completed to renew his loan? (Think full back sent off during loan)


I will add more as i think of them. If i know nothing then please feel free as the font of all knowledge and "Mr all will be ok @ PVR" to tell me the answers to some of the above that clearly are issues.

Many thanks but please try to curb the abuse and actually answer the points rather than just trying to argue and sweep the questions under the carpet.

-- Edited by JgFc at 17:47, 2007-08-31

MarkX wrote:

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Blimey it is like a scratched record


Several of your points are plainly wrong!!!! others a re very wrong just used to incite reaction from gullable posters

If I regain the will to live I will expand

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Mark, Please regain the will to live and expand or I have to say that your record is no less scratched.

 

But being a clueless arse licker you cant.

Ooops... sorry

I could make you look suchak hunt Mark... You saying i know nothing, Do you really think i am stupid i have documented SAVED proof of stuff.

But im interested in your telling me how most or all of my points are wrong.

[Edited - unnecessary personal attack bruno]

PUT UP OR SHUT UP! ANSWER THE POINTS!!

-- Edited by JgFc at 20:30, 2007-08-31



-- Edited by bruno at 21:04, 2007-08-31

Bruno you killjoy.........ruining our fun with your editing of the handbags at dawn.

Mark is legendary for his "you know knothing" "all will be ok" (remember last season lol) type posts. He wont answer them because he cannot. The points are there as are many unanswered posts you can search the forum. All you will hear is

"You Know Knothing"
"You are Wrong"
"All will be ok, you will see"

Mark, I hope that your will to live has come back, especially after our win over Bath.   A reply to JgFc's points would be welcome if possible

Hes pmmed me and asked for a truce now you lot press him for an answer.

LAUGHABLE and for the last few seasons when the club is criticised he says "you talk bollox" you are wrong and all willbe ok...
Well all wasnt ok last season (so YOU were wrong Mark, werent you....) we played lots of games all pushed back midweek at neutral grounds and that cost us a much better chance of promotion (We were TOP just after the lights came down)
Admin wise we are poor, lost at least one player because of this "Lawrie Wilson"
Commercially we are poor, Budget Cuts and unable to keep players from LOWER league clubs, Part time unqualified "commercial manager"
We have a chairman who doesnt fund or own the club to a level a chairman would do at other clubs, We have NO board of directors
Have YOU ever heard barrie say we are trying to go up / Will be doing this off the pitch to improve?
When we won the 100k Plus (yawwwwwn) and were in the play offs the budget was cut and we heard a brief oh it went on debts statement....


Now yes i slag off the way the club is run and the stuff it does to cut corners/avoid promotion, but if people think im wrong SAY why, and i will respond with the stuff i have that i will never just put in the public domain...

Dont just say you talk bollocks everyone should know blah blah.

the WSU also lost money and is just a puppet of the club which is not and will not be supported due to being self elected, sanctioned by the club and a failure.

Truce?? Who came on here saying i talk bollox? Take the prawn sarnie out of your mouth mark, deliver with SAG (and i might say well done), Take your head from out of the anus of the club , AND ANSWER THE POINTS WHERE YOU SAID I AM WRONG!! not just cherry pick the answers or say you are wrong...

People are waiting!!!

The club are happy there isnt an independent trust or association and have got people who used to criticise now criticising people who criticise!!!

-- Edited by JgFc at 18:28, 2007-09-06

Following the thread in seeking a truce I'm sure MarkX meant lets stop the personal attacks on the forum and stick to discussion of matters Welling. Surely who said what and when becomes somewhat irrelevant if in the interest of moving forward both parties agree to draw a line in the sand. It seems that Mark is/was prepared to draw that line. Are you JgFc?