Its laudable to admit to mistakes and ask for help. But the association is not supported for a few reasons. If those reasons are addressed then it might be salvaged.
One of the fundamental reasons is that is is run by the club and if the club say oh that 4k you have we need it to pay for this or do that, if the WSU say hang on erm no... the WSU is finished or will be run by new people.
Its always been seen as a cash raking arm throwing into a bucket for the club.
The money doesnt add up thats mentioned on the front page. 2.5k to a manager for a player (who never signed) and a TV for the bar doesnt equal 48K and even if you add in a lick of paint you are struggling to see where its gone.
To the people who give their time up fair play, doesnt meen they are any good though. They are all self elected or put in place by the club.
As i said if the issues are addressed and maybe a profit and loss sheet on there and updated people may help but then again, when the budget is slashed when in the play offs people will say why do we pay for facilities and players and the club does nothing.
Good Luck but as it stands at the moment nothing will change.
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It may (or may not) not mean they are not good enough and maybe they are self-elected but their website appeals directly for more people to become involved. If there are people out there with the appropriate skills then perhaps that is the solution. The more new people who get involved the greater their voice will be in having a say in what is done with the money and will be able to shape the future of WSU. In reality little or nothing will change. The same people will do all the work, most of whom I guess have day jobs. They do it because they are passionate about Welling United and for the most part all that happens is that people criticise them for their efforts. Sad situation really.
Since our initial meeting in February 2004 we have turned over more than £51,000 through a variety of events and initiatives whilst spending approximately £48,000 to stage them and on benefits to club and fans.
Do these people understand what turnover is?? And to say 48k has been spent on holding events and helping the club could be anything!
Sorry but its failed and isnt supported and this is born out by the 9 or 10 that turn up who are in the main self elected!
They didnt Conceive the idea anyway the WUISA raised sackloads and was supported. But the fans were p'd off with what was going on and the club rolled back the bedcovers for a few to get a control on them and the fundraising.
The WSU like the WPC / Friends of Welling isnt going to be supported. Radical changes and finding a bed seperate to the clubs may help. out of those 9/10 how many have a scooby at how to generate funds?
Thank you me'lud
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One further point, It might be an idea to stick the committee up on the Site and their accountabilities. And to just put a mobile number up and no name is shoddy.
I have nothing against any of those in the WSU, its all about how it was created and what it achieves and who controls it.
Lets hope that
The committee are named, A income and outcome sheet is produced and minutes to meetings are on the site soon. It may look like they have a clue and achieve something then.
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You keep telling everyone you have all these ideas but don't follow through
Mark i have no wish to line the pocket of the clubs owner when they cut budgets and corners, cant answer or take critiscm. You cannot make a difference when self elected puppets are in situ.
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I'm guessing that the £51k is pure turnover. The £48k, I would imagine, is expenditure for holding all the events PLUS money spent to the benefit of the club and supporters. Yes, we don't know exactly what all the £48k has been spent on, but I'm sure we'd all find out if we attended a meeting or two.
And to say 48k has been spent on holding events and helping the club could be anything!
... and a TV for the bar doesnt equal 48K and even if you add in a lick of paint you are struggling to see where its gone.
JGFC - you're right it could be anything but you seem to think there's something dodgy about it. Just a simple job at the club has lots of costs that do add up. I helped set up the tv's, projector etc. Apart from the main costs you still have to buy aerials, cable, connectors, amplifiers, brackets, rf boosters (the list goes on).
I trust the WSU when they say they've spent x and y. You're probably the only person who doesn't.
Having read too many posts to number from JgFc on the matters of WSU and the Club finances, there are some points I agree with and others I don't.
Looking back he has recognised and said well done on raising monies but has said that WUISA which had greater support was a more effective fundraiser.
His main point of focus and that which everyone bites on seems to me to lie in history to which I was not a party but is I believe also the origin of the MarkX/JgFc mutual feelings. As I understand it, from JgFc's posts and discussion with others, the thrust of the argument is that the fundraising body should pay directly for those things which it funds and not hand the money over to the Club which ensures that the money is used for the stated purpose and there is a transparent accountability for the expenditure. As I understand it when WUISA (who still had 30 members last February) was active this is how they wanted to operate and the club rejected this hence there being as I understand it £3K or so remaining which is doing nothing. It begs the question what is so unreasonable about WUISA's wishes to be directly accountable for projects which they sponsor?
The secondary point which is bitten on is JgFc's expressed view of the foundations upon which WSU is built and operates, something with which I personally do not fully agree. The crux of this too though lies in accountability, though if you view WSU as a group of fans independently raising money for the club the phrase 'self elected' is not relevant. My personal view is that there are a group of fans devoting time and energy into raising money for the good of Welling United. They meet regularly and I have observed them discussing and deciding on the use of monies which they have raised. In my book they raised it and how they use it is down to them and if you have attended functions, sponsor a goal, buy lottery tickets and believe that the WUISA approach was right then you should go along to the meetings and say so - the floor is yours as they say. What would happen if more people took part and had different views to all or some of those currently attending? Would some of the existing 9 or 10 embrace the new ideas or would they throw their rattles out of the pram? Who knows?
The other point made frequently is that the WSU is not supported and for only 9 or 10 people to be involved 5 years down the line there has to be some validity in this view. They are not blind to this and if they are able to follow through on raising their profile by making more information about their plans, what they have raised and how it has been spent via the matchday programme and the website they may be able to remedy this. Who knows what the future holds?
-- Edited by bruno at 12:11, 2007-09-14
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And to say 48k has been spent on holding events and helping the club could be anything!
... and a TV for the bar doesnt equal 48K and even if you add in a lick of paint you are struggling to see where its gone.
JGFC - you're right it could be anything but you seem to think there's something dodgy about it. Just a simple job at the club has lots of costs that do add up. I helped set up the tv's, projector etc. Apart from the main costs you still have to buy aerials, cable, connectors, amplifiers, brackets, rf boosters (the list goes on).
I trust the WSU when they say they've spent x and y. You're probably the only person who doesn't.
I havent said its dodgy ive said they are self elected or put in place by the club, there is no accountabilty, they havent been supported for various reason and that the committee and accountabilities arent made public. May main gripe is the club wanted wuisa gone as the wuisa wouldnt just say "heres the 5k we raised" The club initiated the WSU to get the money . Infact it called the WUISA a parasite!
When the club doesnthave a say and control on who runs the association then it may have a chance, when it is democratically elected from a bigger fan base where people have skills and are accountable it may have a chance.
As stated before things have to change. (in my opinion)
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I am the 25 year old brunette that chairs the WSU, I am a huge football fan and have been supporting Welling United for years. I think that you have a great number of good ideas that I would like to be able to draw on, please come to our next meeting so that we can have a little chat, I have never had the pleasure of meeting you, I'll save you a seat next to me
Claire feel free to pm me and if you the requisite pc equipment i would gladly have a voice conference online with you.
At this stage in time given various things said by the club to home fans and away directors / the way the club is run, i have no wish to set foot in the ground. I would be happy to have a chat about the WSU though.
25 Brunette, is spud a millionaire?
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I'm guessing that the £51k is pure turnover. The £48k, I would imagine, is expenditure for holding all the events PLUS money spent to the benefit of the club and supporters. Yes, we don't know exactly what all the £48k has been spent on, but I'm sure we'd all find out if we attended a meeting or two.
Good news is that they have £3k in the coffers.
.You are far too sensible miss. But we are guessing at how much they have, strangely AFTER they gave Adie 2.5k last year they had 5k in the pot so theyve spent 2k at least and raised nothing in a season??
Until they produce balance sheets people are guessing but they wont as payments can be scrutinised and thats not gonna happen ;) is it miss.
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I believe it was a personal invite for you to attend the next WSU meeting from their Chairman since she would like to discuss some of your fundraising ideas.
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Does she know how to PM? I've had several people tell me they didn't know how to.
I think you might find there is more support for your fundraising ideas than you think within the WSU (both Spud and now Claire and I believe in the past MarkX have come onto the forum saying as much) and whilst they might not agree with some, or perhaps many, of your views they are looking for fresh ideas and recognise the potential of some of those you have suggested but need more information and perhaps some advice as to how to get them off the ground.
I think everyone must know by now your views about the foundations upon which the WSU is built and the way it operates and I would have thought that in itself means that you wouldn't go to one of their meetings and they should appreciate this but fair play you have been positive and offered to discuss things with Claire despite those views. I hope she does manage to make contact with you but if she is hoping to effect a 'road to Damascus conversion' I fear she has clearly underestimated your strength of feeling and is 'flogging a dead horse.'
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Bruno there is more chance of getting w*nk off the pope than me attending a WSU meeting. But i would discuss my ideas if they really do want to keep throwing money at Barrie and get naff all back off the pitch or on it.
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