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Match report up at kentonline

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Tad harsh on Coleman maybe the report...BUT

First 10 mins were awful, the new guy from Brighton was at fault and you could tell they hadnt played together before...however after that things did start to gel a lot more

Thought Duku was outstanding and Mucu played well if only he could learn to pass the ball earlier!!

New guy up front holds the ball up well but too often was 2nd to the ball and Carpenter and Keevil in the middle looked quite refereshing, thouygh needed to get the boot in a bit more!

Lets not pretend though Lewes held off after they went 3 up they far outclassed us!

Was expecting to see Mooro prowling the touchline a bit more and being far more vocal than he was

Oh well we didnt expect anything from today...tuesday is not important lets go and get a result against Cambridge because that is the BIG game coming up


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Put simply today we were  outclassed, they are the best team I have seen at PVR this season, they close down, quick on the break, make space and do the simple things like win the tackle, headers and are first to the ball when it breaks lose.Money talks at this level and not taking anything away from them but it helps.

For us and I will be honest of what I see for the new manager going forward is a honest assessment of the team.

JT is maybe not the best keeper in the league but we could do a lot wosre, he is a good shot stopper but even he could do little today about the goals that went in ( sorry bubbles I disagree). We have a good back four of Leon, Robbie, Tony Sinclair when fit and Duku, I was impressed with him toay and thought he should have got man of the match. Going forward Mooro will combine well with him but you cant expect the bloke to play as many games as he has done, I see him as a good player in the role and a potential no2 in the club.

The midfield is a big problem for me, Mutu and Ellis are lightweight and the biggest problem is they dont track thus causing mayhem today. Ellis has pooed on us on more than one occassion and should be shown the door. Mutu may have the touches but he tries to beat more than he should and I cant see how he can retain a position on a regular basis on what he has produced so far. Chip, yep tried but the legs have gone and we have seen better days even at this level and although he started the season well its an on going problem. I am yet to be impressed by Sam Keevil so to be its a complete midfield.

I feel sorry for Omari. He should be a better player than he is showing but how you can expect a bloke to forge a relationshop with an ongoing bunch of loan players or blokes on the fringe of the team is beyond reproach. Consequently to take a penalty when in this predicament may just add to the problems. If he had converted today plus the one on one we could have pullled it back to 3-2 and had a go. Its a typical player who has the ability but lacking in confidence.

So, keep the back four and the keeper, a new midfield and a striker. I understand that Neil Cxxxerill was at the game today. If he is the man to take us forward I only hope that he saw enough evidence and has enough contacts to make sure that my season ticket for next year is not in the Ryman Premier.

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I arrived at the turnstile just as the 3rd goal was scored and almost turned round and went back home and by half time I wished I had.  We were totally outclassed by a very good Lewes side whose pace and movement in attack was excellent and who negated any progress we did manage by closing us down so effectively.  Im not sure if we were shellshocked by Lewes first ten minutes but the only players to come out with any credit in my book were Duku and JT if as I was told he wasn't at fault for the early goals.

Having come out early from half time it looked as if Mooro, who joined them on the pitch, was trying to instil some confidence in the team and had them doing some very basic ball work while they waited for Lewes to emerge.

As the second half started it was hard to believe that the players on the pitch were the same 11 as those who appeared in the first half as they pushed forward with much greater conviction and exposed what would appear to be Lewes Achilles heel put them under constant pressure and they lose their composure, make mistakes and start arguing with each other.  Had we got a decent striker the game could easily have turned at this point but since we dont by midway through the half we started to run out of steam, Lewes regained their composure and their control of the game.

I agree with BKK that our MoM should have been Duku who performed well in both halves and on todays performance looks like a good signing.

All in all we just dont have the players to compete with sides like Lewes and bringing in teenage loan signings is not the answer to our problems.

In passing the gate quoted on sky was 605 - didn't look like that high to me.

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Come on , after going 3-0 up they completely took their foot off the gas , if they really wanted they could have ran up a cricket score. I thought Duku was good but for me Keevil is an absolute waste of space. I heard days ago that ****erill had got the job and if he has I fear the worst .




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For those that missed the opening 10-minutues, which was easily done, the Video with Match Report and Interview with Chris Moore is online now.

http://www.wellingunited.com/season0708/leweshome.php


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I am going to ****ing blow my top soon

Why do you fear the worst with ****erill

I suppose you want Jose eh!!!



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Mark, i agree with you.....


We can ask no more than get someone like C0ckerill. Hes experienced, will have contacts and has expressed an interest.

We need someone professional who knows how to get a team winning. We need someone who can bring in players and who has a record of some success.

Say what you like but for a few years we were jealous of Woking and they were a good club.

Only thing i will say is he has a rep for kick it anywhere and his son will sign for us!!

theres is good and bad in every appointment, i think glen would be a reasonable appointment. If i had a choice i would pick Ford, if C0ckerill got the job you wouldnt see me crying.

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Ellis has to go hes always out of position then we get Center halfs running out of postion after being exposed. We owe Ellis nothing he crapped on us and costs us goals and doesnt provide or score enough to warrant a place. The way hes treated us makes it an easy decision for me.

Ronayne has pace and can defend bring him in release Green and then Duku will get more protection and be a huge asset. Hes been brought in so use him, if he messes about off the picth he can go too... but he deserves a chance to prove he can be good for us on and off the pitch.

It cant be great for morale that a player takes the piss and keeps his place. We need them all pulling together. No mercinaries, no selfish people , we want winners who give not take. Offensively we will be ok. Omari looked lively and the new lad put himself about. Mucu will be ok when a manager says pass before beating the 6th player in a run.

Lewes good team where we want to be and in an ideal word we would still have Boothy, he wasnt celebrating too much, mark of respect for our fans? (appreciated Boothy).

Mooro, is correct we need a Manager to come in and organise us, release the players he believes he can improve on, instill some pattern of play and confidence.

Id like to see us hit grays with everything weve got, who cares if we lose 12-0, go and enjoy it and attack them and get stuck in.



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Cheers James - not sure that the videoed highlights of the first 10 minutes gave me any great pleasure.

I agree with you anon that Lewes had their foot off the gas during the first half but they never looked in any danger as we didn't really get at them. The significant fact was that after half time we did get at them and they were at sixes and sevens for quite a long spell but what we lacked were players capable of making that effort count.

I can understand why but Mooro's interview contained a lot of spin.

Reality check
It may have looked like Lewes had played together for 3 years but the fact is that the bulk of the side were signed at the same time as Booth 18 months ago and 4 of the starting 11 were signed in the summer or later.
You only crucify a team down the wing if you actually do something with the ball when you get into the final 10 - 20 yards.
Even if we play like we did in the second half we would need all the luck which it is alleged we have missed out on this season to be repaid if we are to get a result against Grays.
We had 3 new players on the pitch, we hadn't played for 3 weeks and we were playing a very good side so the odds were stacked against us.
We desperately need a manager to come in and hopefully bring a bit of stability, sort out the squad and instil some confidence which demands that it be one with experience. I can't see that those things happening overnight and it promises to be a tense run in to the end of the season but that is something any long standing fans will be familiar with.

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jgfc you have no idea what your talking about mate



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Forgot to give the support for stability but as I'm sure we all know we have had a lot of players through the gates this season. We have in fact signed in excess of 40 and its only January!

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You blow what you like Mark,I have met him on several occasions and my opinion of him is not very high to say the least. I hope what Ive heard (that the job is his, with Jimmy Dack as assistant ) is wrong. Will he sign his two sons as well?  

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Was it me or did Morro sound evr so slightly like Neil Smith?

No just me then!!

Looking froward o seeing Daisy and Keds Tuesday, they were class for us and I thonk we should give them a great reception

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jgfc you have no idea what your talking about mate




Ok Mr Anon
 
Respond to these points showing me where i am wrong

1 he shat on us when he said he was gonna sign an extension then went to eastleigh
2 he came back and shat on us again by playing sunday football and getting a 5 week suspension
3 he dont track back, loses the ball and costs us goals
4 he doesnt provide for the strikers enough or score himself


Thanks in advance mr anon, but clearly its you that knows naff all as you wont stand by your words, tell me where i am SO wrong or identify yourself.




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Brian kings knee, I agree with parts of what you have said but in parts you must have been watching a different game to me Im afraid, but their you go football is all abut opinions.

The defence in the first ten minutes was all over the place, Leon was embarrasing, and Duku was not much better in this period of the game. So how can you say Duku was motm. WE WERE 3-0 DOWN AFTER 10 MINUTES!
After this period he settled in.

Chippy and Keevil have got NO chance playing with two luxury players either side, Mucu and Ellis are absolutely fantastic going forward but unfortunately they just t*** the defending part of their job off which leaves our central midfielders so isolated it is untrue! I think they both need to watch a Premiership football match and watch the likes of Ryan Giggs and Shaun Wright Phillips defend for their teams more than they attack!!!! Mucu is the most frustrating player I have ever seen, is he not capable of passing the football in any situation? No, because he has no footballing brain, he needs managing and quickly.

You can tell that both Chippy and Keevil have played at higher levels and I feel sorry for them as they are fighting a losing battle.

Omari is a complete an utter waste off space and has been for a long time, he must have given the ball away 20 times within the space of 10 minutes in the first half, notably twice for the second and third goals which killed the game off.

On a positive note the new forward Sam looked like a very good signing for the short term, he one every header and kept it simple and could do no more.

gaz


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jgfc , points 1 and 2 i have no arguement with,what he did was poor and he shouldve been shown the door i fully agree. but 2 and 3 . he wasnt at fault for any of the goals if you watch the video. and he gave omari a great first time through pass in which he failed to convert as well as finding mucu with a diagonal ball which must have travelled about 40 yards onto his chest to put him clean through!! if you was there you wouldve seen that!! we clearly cant play with both wide men , one of them needs 2 be sacrificed in order to provide some balance to the side!! We can get rid of Green but for me he is one of the best players we have going forward. Lets hope the new man sorts this mess out.

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I dont think you can tell that Chippy and especially Keevil have played at a higher level ! Chippy you can understand as in my opinion his legs have long gone but as for Keevil on the few occasions he has played ( when he's not injured ) I have NEVER seen him have a decent game, you can make all the excuses you like for the central midfielders but if they cant win the crucial midfield battle get someone in who can, at least chippy has a wealth of experience and some leadership qualities to add to the team if nothing else, but keevil adds nothing . The new manager must surely replace players like him if we are to progress in this league. 

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Sorry Thermos but I agree with gaz, the two centre midfielders are the least of our worries. Did you watch the game Saturday!?

Leon looked like he didn't care a less, Omari was playing for Lewes ALL game, the wingers do attack well but cant and wont defend and as for the defence, well a horror show would some them up Saturday! However Duku will be a good signing.

Out of the two midfielders Keivel gives you more than Chip, he doesn't stop running and passes the ball simple when he gets it. Sorry but Chippy has to go in my opinion, he is to old now and this showed Saturday, he cant run anymore. You need legs in this division Im afraid, experience and a bit of shouting is not enough to warrent a place in any side.

I hope the new manager gets rid of Omari he is NOT good enough! I would also get rid of Leon, and agree with JCFG about Ellis, show him the door to.

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How can the back four be good enough BKN. Three nil after 9 mins certainly not good enough in my opinion. Leon is a waste of space at the moment. Duku didnt look that good to me either, would sooner Mooro any day.
Midfield looks refreshing to me to although only one of Mucu and Ellis can play at one time as they leave us far to exposed.
Coleman should and will be shown the door by the new manager for certain if as suggested he was at the game Saturday, he was the weak link and it was pretty clear to see. All goals were due to either him or Mucu giving the ball away, football players please Glen not show offs who should be playing park football!


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Have to disagree totally that Keevil is good enough . He offers nothing in my opinion, how people can come on here and say it is obvious he's played at a higher level is beyond belief, Ive only missed one game this season and Keevil was injured for that so its not as if ive missed anything. Posts like that beggar belief . Do players come on here and post ?? 

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Muku might be a show off, but boy, when he is on song and attacking defenders, he is great to watch. OK, so his final passing may not be up to scratch, but I saw him running back and helping out in defence on Saturday.
We need players of his ability to run down the wings and attack the defence, that's one of the things that have been missing since Bods left.  It would help of course if we had a decent striker. Omari just doesn't do it for me and the No.9 that played on Saturday was the junior version of Blackman. He seemed like he didn't want to go into a tackle, missed most of the headers and when he did get the ball, looked lost.  I hope that he improves.
I agree with Wellfan, I wasn't over impressed with Duku either.........give me Mooro any day. I know that the team haven't played for 3 weeks and need to gel, but let's hope that it's sooner rather than later.
Leon and Chippy didn't seem up to their normal standards.........I rate both of these guys.  Keevill looked OK and Robbie Ryan was his normal excellent self.
JT I feel was let down by poor defence and wasn't to blame for any of the goals.
In my opinion, we were outclassed by a superior team.  I just hope that with a new Manager in place soon? we can get back to stopping the rot and play more like we did in the second half.

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I felt sorry for both centre halves who were probably introduced at about 2 o'clock on Saturday and then had to cope with the best attacking side in the league so I think it is a tad harsh to criticise either of them. Duku and Moore were in the team that got G & N promoted to the Conference although I have my doubts they can still be an effective pairing.

I agree that the whole midfield is lightweight and is not the right combination when we are struggling. Ellis undoubtedly has talent but has messed us about more than once this season and is not the player of last season. I don't know why Benjamin didn't get a run out with the game already lost.

Both Mucu and Coleman need to realise that they have eight other players in red shirts who they can share the ball with. The latter lost the ball so many times and indirectly contributed to some of the goals we lost. If Ellis and Mucu are to be persevered with then we need one out and out forward and another player to bolster the midfield.

The spirit shown in the second half was commendable but lets not kid ourselves. Lewes were coasting and I felt had we scored they would have gone up the other end and got one or two more if they had to. However we won't play sides as good as them every week and I didn't honestly expect to get anything out of that game.

We need to appoint someone and appoint them quickly. It is almost a month since Smith departed and we need some organisation and fresh ideas and, above all, some better players.

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