After Last WSU Band Nite, My Band NELLY'S HEROES plus Support, have been asked back to PVR on Fri 19th Feb 2010. There are Still things yet to be confirmed and more details will be made on next WSU Meeting.
ie--Ticket Price, Start time, Support band, Beer stock.
I know im putting this on without these items yet to be announced but with 3 home games left before gig I Thought I'd Better Advertise it. As Not seen anything thing from WSU as yet to promote this nite.
Hope Nelly's Heroes Can Count on your support for another Brilliant evening of Music.
Since WSU did not meet tonight and as mentioned recently in another thread there has been no contact with Nelly's Heroes I think it is fairly safe to assume that there will not be a band night on 19 February.
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So something that netted you 4 figures last time, and they cant get it organised when its on a plate again thanks to Nellies Heros being up for it.
From what ive seen , the Tommy Smith fiasco that cost us £1000 of WSU funds, not being at Danson last year and now this, The WSU seem to be as good at throwing money away than raising it. The WSU are missing open goals for what ever reason.
Never mind, £50 a month from the quizzes will make up for it.
This more than ever re-affirms that fan led fund raising , especially when its a minority of self elected fans .. does not work and cannot make up for a lack of a commercial department. To be brutal, how many of the WSU have marketing or sales experience and the "front" to go and get that extra money or make that "wow" event happen?
Scrap the WSU get an elected Supporters Association again where you have a big membership and people who make things happen. Get a Commercial Department too and watch this club progress. If not, then dont complain or wonder why nothing changes.
Friend of Welling wasnt supported when WUISA was arround, WUISA also raised far far more than FOW, FOW closed and became WSU. WSU have made many co ck ups. They have also raised money so that cannot be ignored. What is clear is its woefully short of being supported, capable and a replacement for a commercial department.
Things have to change. If you disagree, you are only burying your head in the sand.
-- Edited by JgFc on Thursday 7th of January 2010 09:10:05 PM
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It does seem strange that the club does not appear to want to capitalize on a fund raising event. Depending on the reasons why, may have an affect on any future chances of Nelly's Heros doing another gig at PVR. Very sad.
Please keep this date (fri 19 feb) open in your diary as im going to try another approach to the band nite, hopefully i will have more on this tomorrow.
-- Edited by Ron Manager on Thursday 7th of January 2010 10:00:19 PM
' It isn't. perhaps wasn't, a Club arranged event Trig. '
Do the club and the WSU not join forces to organise events? Do the WSU want this event to go on and earn money for the club? Having spoken to attendees of the WSU meetings and their contributions were shot down in flames because of blah blah blah etc, it makes you wonder WTF is the point.
' Scrap the WSU get an elected Supporters Association again where you have a big membership and people who make things happen. Get a Commercial Department too and watch this club progress. If not, then dont complain or wonder why nothing changes. '
All very well and I totally agree, but, who will put their name forward? JgFc, your thread hit the nail RIGHT on the head and I for one am 100% behind you on this one. I know this topic has been discussed before and no doubt will be discussed a myriad times again.
This more than ever re-affirms that fan led fund raising , especially when its a minority of self elected fans .. does not work and cannot make up for a lack of a commercial department. To be brutal, how many of the WSU have marketing or sales experience and the "front" to go and get that extra money or make that "wow" event happen?
So many of the Wings fans do ' their bit ' for the club - such as going to watch Nellys Heroes, buying scratch cards, buying programmes, drinking in the old fashioned, outdated c**p hole of a bar and having to pay to go sit in an old stand that should have been demolished years ago. Yet, we still pay our £10 week after week to watch our team. So, what do the club and the WSU do for us? Now don't get me wrong here, I know that the WSU normally run things like the Danson Park Festival etc and do so very well, but surely the club should be more involved? or am I way off track?
In essence, the fans do their bit, let the club follow suit.
JgFc - I'll start by saying I have no connection with WSU but the question I have for you is what do you do to raise funds for the club?
If you come back with a long list of actions you have taken then I will withdraw my question with a humble apology. However, if the list is short or non-existant then please do not sit at the side throwing stones at people that at least try to do something.
It is very easy to be critical of others but if you are not happy with what they are trying to do then actions speak louder than words.
JgFc - I'll start by saying I have no connection with WSU but the question I have for you is what do you do to raise funds for the club?
If you come back with a long list of actions you have taken then I will withdraw my question with a humble apology. However, if the list is short or non-existant then please do not sit at the side throwing stones at people that at least try to do something.
It is very easy to be critical of others but if you are not happy with what they are trying to do then actions speak louder than words.
How long have you been going to the games? Have you read through previous threads? Do you know the history of JgFc and the club? What do you do for the club? I am not a JgFc Brown Noser, but the guy makes serious and relevant points. The club and the WSU need to take heed to progress.
' It isn't. perhaps wasn't, a Club arranged event Trig. '
Do the club and the WSU not join forces to organise events? Do the WSU want this event to go on and earn money for the club?
It goes without saying that WSU activity is not run in isolation from the Club who for example provide the venue for many events but the organisation, the majority of the promotion, and running of the events is down to WSU as is any financial risk in respect of events like the end of season presentation night, scratchcard payouts and its attendance at the Danson Festival.
As one who until recently had attended WSU meetings for about 18 months and has followed the Wings for far more years than I care to recall my personal take on the relationship between the Club and WSU is
Welling United (the Club) is a football club owned and run by the Hobbins.For whatever reason there is no Commercial Manager and consequently a minimal amount of commercial activity.
WSU is very small group of supporters who are independent of the Club and to the best of their ability raise much needed funds but are not and should not be regarded as a substitute for a Commercial Manager.
The relationship between the Club and WSU is 'muddied' slightly by WSU (with the agreement of the Club) having undertaken some activities which one would normally associate with the commercial arm of a club e.g. scratchcards and Sponsor a Player as they were able to resource them and the Club wasn't.They also recently purchased a small stock of polo shirts and fleeces to be sold in the Club Shop.
As far as the Band Night goes my understanding is that WSU do want the event to happen. However again as I understand it the event has not been firmed up and promoted so its a case of watch this space.
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JgFc - I'll start by saying I have no connection with WSU but the question I have for you is what do you do to raise funds for the club?
If you come back with a long list of actions you have taken then I will withdraw my question with a humble apology. However, if the list is short or non-existant then please do not sit at the side throwing stones at people that at least try to do something.
It is very easy to be critical of others but if you are not happy with what they are trying to do then actions speak louder than words.
How long have you been going to the games? Have you read through previous threads? Do you know the history of JgFc and the club? What do you do for the club? I am not a JgFc Brown Noser, but the guy makes serious and relevant points. The club and the WSU need to take heed to progress.
Cynical as I say if JgFc does things for the club then I will humbly apologise but all I have seen is stones thrown at people that are trying to do something.
How long have I been going to the games is not relevant but for the record I started watching them when they were in the London Spartan League in 1977 so I think that qualifies me as allowed an opinion.
I have also been reading this forum for a long time but as a long time fan who has the club's best interest at heart I dont think that is particularly relevant.
I have no problem with people expressing positive ideas about how to move the club forward but when it becomes negative comments about how others are trying to do things I think it is too easy and not constructive.
' Scrap the WSU get an elected Supporters Association again where you have a big membership and people who make things happen. Get a Commercial Department too and watch this club progress. If not, then dont complain or wonder why nothing changes. '
All very well and I totally agree, but, who will put their name forward?
Experience over the last few years tells me that you have hit the nail on the head cynical.
There is plenty of talk from the sidelines but it all revolves around somebody else doing something not the originator of the comment. That is not to decry the suggestions and over the years JgFc in particular has in my opinion put forward some excellent ideas for fundraising. However, without people who are prepared to give their time and have the skills needed to implement them they will always remain ideas.
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Your post is laughable, just blindly supporting the club and the WSU and ignoring the stone cold fact that both are woefully inept commercially.
What i do is my business, Welling United is a Business, comment on that business by customers/potential customers is allowed. WSU is a self elected body with goals to raise funds for the development of Welling United. Its sole aim when launched was to provide cover behind the goals. Since then it has been there to raise funds. It is not taking opportunities to do what it is there for. There is no accountability and no key strengths of anyone in the WSU.
But what have i done or tried to do RECENTLY. I offered several free barrels of real ale to the club to sell and keep all the money... it fell on deaf ears so i donated several barrels and cases of bottles to Hornchurch FC instead. I also had the BBC willing to put in and pay for an IDSN line at Park View Rd for free which would attract media to PVR and probably help corporate days and hospitality too.. the club refused. I offered to put 20 or 30 supporters t shirts in the club shop if i received a club logo in a reasonable quality so i could pay for the shirts, donate and all money went to the club shop... it fell on deaf ears. Myself and Bruno arranged for Fantasy Wings this year to sponsor a player. Ive also spent thousands supporting the club and i too started going in 1977.
Spinning it back on you. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE for the club? What experience to you have in sales, in marketing?. What achievements have you got in gaining sustained growth in the leisure industry? What contacts have YOU got? What suggestions have you made for them to improve things?
-- Edited by JgFc on Saturday 9th of January 2010 06:32:18 AM
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My post is not laughable. I still stand by my underlying message that it is better to make positive comments and actions than throw stones at those that are trying to do something.
However, as stated in my previous I am happy to apologise as you have obviously done things, or tried to do things.
What have I done. In recent years not a lot and this is why I do not think I have the right to criticise those that are trying. However, I do have many years experience in Sales and Marketing although not in the leisure industry.
I, like you and others on this site, would like to help the club. Maybe we could get together before or after a match to discuss some ideas?
In my unstable state of mind and here in my padded cell I think that it is essential to have a mixture of positive and negative statements. If only positive opinions were expressed then nothing would move forward. Also if only negative opinions were stated that too would prevent anything to do the same. In life/business when actions/changes are deemed neccessary the first line of communication is generally a negative one. The fact is that those who are first to point out any failings can get a negative label attatched to them. It's not that they always think negatively, it's a case that they are not shy in coming forward, something alot of people find difficult to do. In business I take any negative feedback as important as positive ones, the important thing is they get aired and acted upon.
My views are pretty well known that until the club start acting commercially its peeing in the wind. Some people can say every little helps.
Many supporters associations publish meeting minutes on line. Ive seen the WSU say they will post their minutes, ive never seen any posted.
Those that are part of WSU do deserve credit for raising some money and giving their time, i have said that. They launched and elected themselves it was a closed shop that has tried to be opened up but the foundations are rocky and i dont see people with key skills involved.
Steve Holly of course is a business leader in the community and successful, from what ive heard hes come and gone from WSU a few times. So for whatever reason, a successful money maker they had now has little or no input or comes and goes.
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Alan i wasnt aware WUISA still did their lottery. I do know they paid for the TV etc in the clubhouse. Maybe they are still ticking over.
Its funny how the main reason that WUISA stopped being active was that they wanted noticeboards in the ground, that was refused, WSU was launched and they have several noticeboards up.
-- Edited by JgFc on Saturday 9th of January 2010 05:02:58 PM
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I and Patsy spoke with Barry n Barrie on friday, We agreed that it should go ahead as planned and they were more than happy. but I still need to Hear from the WSU on The Ideas Ive Proposed In order for it to go ahead at such short notice as we are running out of time to promote it.
And the band Have already turned down a gig in order to do this one.
I can gladly say that both the club and wsu want us but a simple phone call is letting everyone down.!!!!
Do you know what! I've just read back through this thread. I cannot understand that something that seems to have the go a head by the club still for some reason hangs in the balance due to waiting for communication via the WSU. It comes across to me as some petty mindedness at work here. Other than turning up at most home games I do not assist in any fund raising activity for the club. What I do know is that my friends and I (numbered about 9) had a really good time and spent a good some of money on drinks and raffle ect.. And if I do not start getting a more positive feeling about the 19th February my friends and I will simply not go. Simple!
Trig, Whatever has been said elsewhere in this thread the real positive is that Nellys Heroes want to play the gig to raise funds for the Club and have turned down another booking despite the apparent looseness of the arrangements as they stand at this point in time. Having spoken to Sy they have also been in contact with other bands with a view to having a support act who will hopefully bring in more people.
I do not think it is a matter of petty mindedness more a matter of WSUs lack of experience in running band nights on a one off basis and the consequent appreciation of the need for promotion. The view seems to be that it was successful last time so all we need to do is tell people a couple of weeks before and that success will be repeated. That may work if you have an established regular band night which is always well attended but one off events need more promotion.
Everyone really had a good night when Nellys Heroes appeared at the Club back in October and Im sure that they will again if the critical phone call is made.
The Club want it, Nellys Heroes want it, those who attended last time want it so WSU make that call and lets all have a good night on the 19th Feb and raise what I suspect are much needed funds for OUR football club.
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It's pleasing to read that all three parties involves are in agreement. But this 'critical' phone call has yet to be made (will never accept that it is the weekend). Doesn't stop me thinking that something that's gone on (none of my business I know). Can I humbly suggest that you will need a lot more that a couple of weeks to assist in promoting this night if that is part of your remit, people have to arrange cover for work shifts and other rota's. Tickets have to be printed, prizes for raffles. The two bands to agree on their tunes. Don't forget the seven 'P's.
Trig, I can assure you that as far as I am aware nothing has gone on and thus the sittuation as it stands and the input of my two pennyworth. My concern is that what I suspect is a much needed fund raising opportunity for the Club I support could fail to take place through inertia.
I stopped going to WSU meetings many months ago though knowing this event would be on the agenda I was going to attend the last meeting (which was cancelled due to the adverse weather conditions) to express my opinions more forcibly than I have done on the forum and I can't attend the rearranged meeting this week.
As you and some others know in my younger days I was actively involved in the entertainment business so I am fully aware of the matters you have mentioned which impact on the potential audience and the matters which relate to the band/bands but I'm not sure those who attend WSU meetings appreciate them fully.
Not having attended WSU meetings this event is certainly not part of my remit but had it been so I can assure you that there would have been a fee agreed and a ticket price determined by mid November, and posters and tickets prepared by the latest mid December.
All I can say is that we all had a great night in October and whatever has or hasn't happened to date lets hope the critical telephone call is made, lets get behind the event and in doing so have another great evening and raise funds for OUR club in the process.
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