First of all I wish Welling the best of luck with there Debt etc, Welling are a good club and it would be a shame to see them go under, and real loss,
Im a Charlton fan ''got season ticket'' And as Charlton are away tommrow i will be poping down to park view, along with quite a few friends to get Behind the Reds, and to spend abit of monney in there to help the club (AS welling is my local club, not to keen on bromley) I hope there is a good attendence for you all tommrow and i will certianley be poping along to more games when Charlton are away as it is my local club,
What is sad to see is that despite Charlton mentioning it on their site and Charlton forums saying lets get loads to Welling. In the 2 games since there have been hardly any Charlton Fans at PVR. About 6 for the lewes game and probably 30 or 40 for Boreham Wood game.
I would hope if we had 10,000 season ticket holders and the situation was reversed we would help the club out when they need it. We even put on a get in for a fiver scheme to attract them in numbers.
I think in future we have to contact Charlton Athletics Supporters Association to ask for help. It will get out to more people and they may turn up if the CASA are suggesting it.
Whilst their support in pre season used to be superb 3000 crowds and now its nice 2000... the support when we needed it has been very low in numbers. Many Thanks to those that came please keep coming thats 2 wins in 2 games since we asked for support. But i see that as individuals helping us, its dissapointing that a club so close and with so many fans cant turn up for a game or two and make a real difference.
if a few hundred turned up out of 15000 then a few of those and we are saved.
-- Edited by JgFc on Sunday 5th of September 2010 07:33:15 PM
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We have fans of loads of Premier League clubs in Bexley. You only have to look around bexleyheath shopping centre on a Saturday to see all the different shirts. We/the club have to be reaching out to te wider local public. But to put it bluntly, because we ain't Premier League, people don't give a flying **** about Welling United!
I don't buy the excuse that people are too busy to come along to Welling games on a Saturday afternoon. Games last less than two hours, not all ****ing afternoon!
Although i've supported the same professional team (they play in the Premier League) for 35 years now, i would much rather come to Welling games, as it's my home town club, it's good value for money when you consider we're a good team at this level and it costs a fifth of the price to get into a Welling game than it does to see a Premier League team play, and in fact everything else is cheaper to buy in Welling's division than it is much higher up. Also, it would be hard for me to stomach these days paying £50+ to see a load of Premier League multi millionaire tossers pass the ball around for 90 minutes, and not make an effort, knowing that they don't really give a ****, because their futures don't depend on it, and afterwards they can go off to their mansions in the countryside. Welling players on the other hand, are real people with real jobs and some of them only play football for a living and aren't exactly making a fortune out of it, Healy of course isn't making anything at all from playing for us.
Those people wandering around local shopping centers wearing football shirts for teams up north (London or England) because those teams tend to win things on a regular basis, should show some local pride and support a local team that play as if every game means something to them.
-- Edited by Dogme on Sunday 5th of September 2010 08:26:22 PM
The people wandering around shopping centres in their football shirts probably don't get any further than their armchair or their local when it comes to watching football.
Thinking about it, the problem with us all blitzing the forums of league clubs is most people who post on them are exiles. That's why they do it 'cos they can't go down their local pub and talk about their club as they're half way round the world!
One point we must not forget is that this fiver offer was only mentioned 3 or 4 days before the game was due to be played.
If we intend to do this again, then it must be advertised at least 7 to 10 days before the game, and then keep plugging it as much as we can, up to the actual day. I have spoken to 2 different Charlton season ticket holders who new nothing about the fiver offer.
It is a very hard task to get the message over to people, but it is something we MUST do,as this could be a great help in achieving our aim to survive. Lets all keep working at it together, and hopefully we shall come through this bad spell.
we need to open up the e+b bar on match days and let people take pints onto the terraces - guarenteed money spinner and e+b wont mind as you give them a small percentage for allowing use of their bar
I know other clubs allow it - Bromley were recently, but I think it is against Conference rules to have beer outside the club house. I can remember this be a complaint of some Ryman sides when they were promoted.
Given the "crowd trouble" last year and the requirement for extra "security" - I can't see it being looked upon favourably for us to allow drinking on the terraces.
I remember Bognor allowing it as well. I am not sure how they get away with it.
I have never seen any alcohol fueled violence when it has been allowed - if punters want a drink and it brings more people into the ground and ups the profit at the bar - then we shoudd do it. Would prefer that they buy it from our bar - not the E+B bar. Do we know how the money works when they have opened their bar for the bigger games - Charlton and I seem to remember for AFC Dons?
I would be fairly confident that we would get nothing and it would be Erith doing us a service. I do not know that, but Erith to my knowledge do absolutely nothing of any use for Welling United. And contribute zero apart from rent.
Rumour is that Erith arent doing great, god knows what happened to the millions after their "ground" was burned down....
-- Edited by JgFc on Monday 6th of September 2010 02:25:04 PM
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I would be fairly confident that we would get nothing and it would be Erith doing us a service. I do not know that, but Erith to my knowledge do absolutely nothing of any use for Welling United. And contribute zero apart from rent.
Spot on!
It must be great for them not even having to pay for a groundsman.
I would be fairly confident that we would get nothing and it would be Erith doing us a service. I do not know that, but Erith to my knowledge do absolutely nothing of any use for Welling United. And contribute zero apart from rent.
Rumour is that Erith arent doing great, god knows what happened to the millions after their "ground" was burned down....
-- Edited by JgFc on Monday 6th of September 2010 02:25:04 PM
im sure an agreement could be arranged and we get most of the profits and they take a slice
we do it for the pre-season games anyway
add on a buy a ticket get a free pint offer i think it would be a winner and for the bigger games like dartford where we should have a big crowd up to maybe even 2000 just think if half those people bought a £2.80 pint and took it onto the terraces we'd make a fortune
and then drinking at half time + burgers and keep the bars open after the game (advertise that fact as dartford are local so some will hang around)
If the bar in the E&B clubhouse were open it would considerably ease the problem talked about at the meeting about people being unable to get drinks at half-time due to congestion. I know that many people who sit in the new stand do not bother to go round to the clubhouse at half -time because they know there is little chance of getting served in time. If it's raining it's another deterrent from going round there.
Even if profits have to be shared with E&B surely it's worth trying for a couple of games to see whether it is worthwhile. The Woking game should attract a reasonable crowd and this would be a good one to use for a trial. Has anyone suggested it to Barrie?
I passed at least 12 people coming out of the bar on Saturday. Some were saying they couldn't be bothered to queue - this was within 2-3 minutes of the half time whistle.
Two supporters have volunteered to run a bottle bar at Half Time selling bottles from a place in the bar which will enable people to get a drink easier. Well done to them.
Hopefully this will drive takings up and encourage people to go in there as they can get served quicker.
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Very good - I also saw notices up about some offers on beer prices in the bar. Again well done. If people want to drink get them into the bar rather then the pub next door.
I passed at least 12 people coming out of the bar on Saturday. Some were saying they couldn't be bothered to queue - this was within 2-3 minutes of the half time whistle.
I am usually guilty of this. It just gets too busy in there, has taken me near 10 minutes to get a drink in at that bar in the past which would all be fine and dandy if 5 minutes later they weren't ringing the bell & telling us to sling our hook.
If I want to be a mug, spend 11 quid to get in then stay in the bar and miss the game whilst drinking drinks with the money I've put in the till then what is exactly the problem?
Also, clubs like Bromley allow you to bring plastic cups outside as long as you stand in the drinking zone, surely Welling could arrange something similar? They'd make a hell of a lot more money through the bar during games this way, seems a fair few Bromley fans spend the whole game enjoying a few drinks. E&B let you bring alcohol out as well.
Obviously a drinking zone would need stewards but there appears to be a couple more at Welling this season than last so surely it could be arranged.
I think it is at Bromley where they have a guard rail running parallel with the bar with an entrance at one end and an exit at the other. It helps in creating some form of order and people seemed to get served quite quickly. Prevents a mass rush to the bar.
Fear not Trigger and Ric Flair man, I will be working the bar at home games from now on and for a mere £2 you will have a bottle of fine lager in your hand within nano-seconds. Up the Wings.
If I want to be a mug, spend 11 quid to get in then stay in the bar and miss the game whilst drinking drinks with the money I've put in the till then what is exactly the problem?
The problem is the bar staff are Welling supporting volunteers who want to watch the game. It would not be cost effective to employ a member of staff. This has been tried before.
Rubbish, a young female for £20 cash in hand to work 2-3pm, 3.45-4pm and 4.45-5.30pm would bring in more than what it would cost. You have a 15 minute window of opportunity to serve as many punters as possible, and punters wanting beer are walking away as due to the time restraint.
I think it has been tried twice before and didn't work. The problem at half time is the size of the bar rather than the ability of those serving. The bottle bar idea would certainly alleviate the problem no end.
Also, clubs like Bromley allow you to bring plastic cups outside as long as you stand in the drinking zone, surely Welling could arrange something similar? They'd make a hell of a lot more money through the bar during games this way, seems a fair few Bromley fans spend the whole game enjoying a few drinks. E&B let you bring alcohol out as well.
Obviously a drinking zone would need stewards but there appears to be a couple more at Welling this season than last so surely it could be arranged.
that drink zone idea sounds like a good one
if the club are worried about trouble (which there wont be any) then have the stewards there to stop people drinking if they get rowdy and the rest can enjoy a pint or 4 while watching Welling play
The outside drink zone works fine at Bromley as we have seen just the other week, all they had was 1 steward hanging around letting people know they cant go beyond the taped off area with the plastic pints! easy - no hass' & yes lots of people taking advantage of it (including me for large amounts of the game).
I must admit I don't have trouble getting served at home games, but I mostly miss a good few min's of the first half to get myself round there which is annoying.
The club has put a stop to us from using the Guy E.of W. next door at half time this season which I can see why, in making us use our own club bar (as we so need all the money we can get at the moment), but it is bloody annoying if you are having trouble getting a drink in at half time, so the 'bottle beer table' suggested does sound a smart idea to solving this issue.
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Rubbish, a young female for £20 cash in hand to work 2-3pm, 3.45-4pm and 4.45-5.30pm would bring in more than what it would cost. You have a 15 minute window of opportunity to serve as many punters as possible, and punters wanting beer are walking away as due to the time restraint.
Whilst in my heart I totally agree with the sentiment of your post the club must be carefull about employing someone cash in hand. No doubt once we are out of our present financial crisis HMRC will keep an eye on what goes on.
Best of luck with the bottle bar idea. Think it should work a treat.
Drinking zone is a good idea in the summer, but on a cold wet day (or night) in the middle of jan or feb means you need somwhere inside to enjoy a pint!
Drinking zone is a good idea in the summer, but on a cold wet day (or night) in the middle of jan or feb means you need somwhere inside to enjoy a pint!
Kevin - with the bottle bank idea is there just going to be a bin for the emptys on the side? im assuming we wont be on a time limit like with getting beer from the bar and they want the glasses back?
EDIT - when you say bottle bank do you mean a separate table or just at the Welling bar?
-- Edited by J on Wednesday 8th of September 2010 03:01:21 PM