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Ignore takeover talk and look at what happens on a day-to-day basis. Ask yourself what goes on; ask yourself why this club doesn't make the money it should...

Why was there no real ale, be it draught or bottled?
The bottle bar was a success - why wasn't it there today?
Why did the bar run out of draught lager by 6pm?

And, why, being a football club was there rugby on all three screens at half-time? As I walked in, three Tonbridge fans left because "there's rugby on the TV". I agree with them - we are a football club and should  have football scores on the TV all the time. Fine if we show an important rugby game on one TV but the facility is there - use it. It's not difficult for the bar staff to "push the red button" just before half time.

There is so much that could be done so easily.


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The clubhouse is awful. It's been said many a time. You'll find a lot of Welling fans in the local pubs for that reason. It's revenue lost for sure!

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The clubhouse is awful. It's been said many a time. You'll find a lot of Welling fans in the local pubs for that reason. It's revenue lost for sure!


What would make it better for you?

Even if we cannot have Real Ale every week (and you only have to sell 20 pints before every pint is profit) at least have some interesting bottled beers. Supermarkets have a wide array and I'm sure a deal could be made for a regular supply.

 



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Danson Mark wrote:

Trundle wrote:

The clubhouse is awful. It's been said many a time. You'll find a lot of Welling fans in the local pubs for that reason. It's revenue lost for sure!


What would make it better for you?

Even if we cannot have Real Ale every week (and you only have to sell 20 pints before every pint is profit) at least have some interesting bottled beers. Supermarkets have a wide array and I'm sure a deal could be made for a regular supply.

 


A Complete renovation! Our clubhouse is not good, the decor is bad, there is always a rotten smell and there is no football on the tv. I hate to be negative and im not having a go, I am just pointing out the obvious that the clubhouse needs an complete overhaul to attract fans in there.

 



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Danson Mark wrote:

 

Trundle wrote:

The clubhouse is awful. It's been said many a time. You'll find a lot of Welling fans in the local pubs for that reason. It's revenue lost for sure!


What would make it better for you?

Even if we cannot have Real Ale every week (and you only have to sell 20 pints before every pint is profit) at least have some interesting bottled beers. Supermarkets have a wide array and I'm sure a deal could be made for a regular supply.

A Complete renovation! Our clubhouse is not good, the decor is bad, there is always a rotten smell and there is no football on the tv. I hate to be negative and im not having a go, I am just pointing out the obvious that the clubhouse needs an complete overhaul to attract fans in there.

We need to get real here, if the club for whatever reason has debts of the scale which are now seeing (and I'm not going into that as that's a whole different issue which in my opinion is a major contributory factor to our current situation) which has resulted in either a buyout or possibly even administration there isn't the money to do a renovation on the scale which supporters seem to be demanding before they use the bar. Some effort has been made by repainting the bar, WSU obtained a glass washer and the bar has solid neutradol air purifiers scattered all around the place.

The decorative state of the bar does not stop supporters going to the quiz nights so what is the big difference on match days?

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5 mins down the road is a large drinks emporium that supplies to the trade.You can go in pay money and take away drinkie poos.

Now i am not sure if welling is tied, but the fact they do real ale suggests not.

So on a friday for casks or polypins or even a saturday for bottles you can (sorry the club can) go and get some drink to satisfy the fans... If this was a regular thing you could have a happy hour say 1230-130 with fans in the bar at 130 you can be sure most would stay until about 230...

Linkage to the gaff up the road... They even deliver...

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The bottle bar has been the best idea for ages, surely the club can see this.

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With so many good money making ideas and all that takeover/HMRC business going on, the club probably just forgot about the bottle bar. Maybe they could do with a friendly reminder :)

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No, the club did not forget about the bottle bar ... Dean and I decided not to do it yesterday having been "told off" by two individuals in two weeks (not the Hobbins I might add).

If my help is to be thrown back in my face, then I wont volunteer. Simple.

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why arent you all acting together and supporting everything each of you is doing for the club...
it shouldnt matter who you are... or how big/small the thing your doing is.... its for your club, so surely anything is a bonus....

so whoever told kev off get a grip he's trying to help....

and kev... try thinking they dont want me to do it.. so tough i'm going to... i'm sure that will annoy them more.. also it will help YOUR club



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I have to agree with you Judie, 100%,  but if Kevin volunteered to do the job
and has now found out it is too much of a commitment for him, he should have said
and let someone else volunteer to help, not just walk away or not turn up.   



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If someone criticises you when you put your time and efforts into it and volunteer, i think one of two things can happen, 1 you knock them out or 2 you stop trying to help. What the post above seem to forget is, someone is helping and going above and beyond, if you are going to get hassled over it then why would they continue. I am baffled that you could think the person being abusive or moaning is trying to help?

Kev, what was said? And feel free to keep their identities a secret.

This country is completely fecked up, people who should be accountable get away with murder or the tree huggers come out in force, then those that are trying to help others get treated as if they should be accountable lol.

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The third thing is of course that the person moaning could step in and help or take over and do a better job if they think they can.

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For years things like this has happened to me at wings people thinking they are billy big balls and better then others - i have even been told to stop singing once and wait for others some very petty things said and done.

All this with the beer is a joke and as pointed out by many there is never any football on the telly, Matt g ears are bigger then the space at the bar and I know nothing can be done but thats why many dont go in there. Many of you seem to know lots about beer how about contact a brewery and get them to come down with a beer every home game a different one each time and an hour before kick off try for free and then the club sell it in club house and bar for a mark up?

Kevin im telling you off for taking the pee out of me looking out for Ayr United score!

Im just a rascal a skinny rascal!



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I have to agree with you Judie, 100%,  but if Kevin volunteered to do the job
and has now found out it is too much of a commitment for him, he should have said
and let someone else volunteer to help, not just walk away or not turn up.   


Too much of a commitment ?? its only serving a few drinks, even I can manage that. Appears Im being "told off" again.

 



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If the club is happy for you to do it who can possibly tell you off?

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For those vaguely interested.

Many had suggested a bottle bar in the past and nothing was done, so at one of the meetings in Sept/Oct I suggested we do it and volunteered to do it at half-times .. along with Dean Shulver.

Barrie seemed to think it was a good idea, and Piggy was happy to get things setup in terms of a float and filling a beer fridge prior to half-time.

Although its not likely to bring in any more money, Dean and I were doing this out of the goodness of our hearts, and to prevent a queue at the bar. Everyone wanting a drink should be able to get one. The club also has a limited opportunity to serve as many people as possible in that 15minute window.

Certain people seemed intent on having a go at us for not arriving in the bar earlier. I was told by little more than a rude jobsworth that it was a necessity I was in the bar for 3.30pm. As someone paying £11 to watch the football first and foremost, I wasnt prepared to do that. Dean and I were the 4th and 5th people to enter the bar at the last home league game and everyone wanting a drink was given one within 30 seconds. Im sure those prevented from having to queue were appreciative of us being there.

However, as much as I want to help the club, and as much as I have no problem in running the bottle bar, if Im going to miss the football, or be abused, then sorry but its a no-brainer.

Up the Wings.

Sadly you might have to wait longer in future.

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If the club is happy for you to do it who can possibly tell you off?



 My thoughts entirely.



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Although its not likely to bring in any more money,

Disagree. If I cannot get served within five minutes (when real ale is available) I don't really have enough time to enjoy a pint and get out before the second half starts and I won't bother. You and Dean take away the strain on the bar and there is more chance of me getting a round in (not just a pint) so money will be spent and the club is better off.

 



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That was the main idea behind it ... maybe it will return very soon.

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Im not having a go Kevin, as a Welling supporter I appreciate you giving up
your time to help out, where you could be having a pint yourself. From my
own experiences of volounteering at the club you will always get knocked back for
something and  that it is only from a minority which stands out more.  
However look on the positive side, more people want it than the two who (I presume) criticised your time an effort.

Similar to Judie said, I roll my sleeves up and prove them wrong.

Dont give up the good work.




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Kevin... I dont want you to think that I was knocking you.... I dont think you should have to miss any of the football... I think most fans would be happy to wait till the half time whistle for you specially if it means they can get a decent drink...

(i'm not knocking the bar either, altho they did run out of pineapple juice at the disco, which was a shame cos Malibu is nicer with pineapple) can someone please make sure they have some in for the band night smile.gif

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In the whole scheme of things this little problem we have with getting drinks at half time doesn't matter, but if this is an example of how the club is in the situation we are then it shows we can't organise the proverbial 'p*ss up in a brewery' (or bar).

This situation happens all over the place, at every ground of any sport. The half time break is 15 minutes, get used to it. The club should be doing more before (good idea for a happy hour) and definitely after the match.

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Employ someone, possibly a student with bar experience, to work at the clubhouse from 2pm until 6pm.

£32 laid out (£8 per hour) and the part time bar staff could serve, collect glasses, get the TV's sorted to show football results, run the half time bottle bar AND stay throughout the match.

This means the fans are happy with the TV's, no one gets kicked out before the match or during, the club isn't relying on fans to run the bar, we all get served quicker, no one is rushed to finish their drinks and the club will make money. You would only need a handful of people to get the £32 back and it would encourage others to use the bar.

This isn't rocket science but what baffles me is why it hasn't been done before? Is it an 'old boys club' who won't have any outsiders running the bar, does the club not want to risk the outlay or is it a matter of relying on fans too much?

To me this is one example of why we're up a certain creek.



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Employ someone, possibly a student with bar experience, to work at the clubhouse from 2pm until 6pm.

£32 laid out (£8 per hour) and the part time bar staff could serve, collect glasses, get the TV's sorted to show football results, run the half time bottle bar AND stay throughout the match.

This means the fans are happy with the TV's, no one gets kicked out before the match or during, the club isn't relying on fans to run the bar, we all get served quicker, no one is rushed to finish their drinks and the club will make money. You would only need a handful of people to get the £32 back and it would encourage others to use the bar..

Fantastic idea Gary, I don't mind chucking a quid in a pot before or during haftime to help towards the £32 needed to pay their wages for the afternoon, & Im sure other regulars would do the same.
 
(bit like when a jack the ripper comes round waving an pint pot infront of you... not that I would know that sought of thing of coarse ha ha..) biggrin
 

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£8 an hour? Someone would do it for 5.



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£32 laid out (£8 per hour) and the part time bar staff could serve, collect glasses, get the TV's sorted to show football results, run the half time bottle bar AND stay throughout the match.

     I Agree with some of the points raised throughout this Post BUT IMO I thought the idea of going To Park View Road was to watch WELLING UNITED play therefore why on earth would the club employ someone to work during the match surely everyone would be on the terraces or in the stands. If they wanted a beer between 3-5 go to the pub. I wouldn't pay £11 just so I could drink in a bar.

As to Russ's Original point of NO ALE. I was at the Disco nite (last friday) and there was no beer then, the Smooth was on its last few pints and the Fosters tasted off so it was a evening of Light Ale for me as i didn't fancy a can of Tetleys.

I was told that the real ale (Brakespear) would be delivered for saturdays game.

I was very disapointed that even though only a few attended THE CLUB still couldn't cateer for them.

 God knows what opinion someone would have had on the club attending for the first time.



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It's why we are in this mess the club is run poorly all over the place, I hope the new owners are sound business men and can maximise revenue.

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why on earth would the club employ someone to work during the match surely everyone would be on the terraces or in the stands.

Because that person working could get the bar ready for the people who want to avoid the rush 5 mins before HT & FT, serve people who don't want to watch the full match (players girlfriends, wives, etc.) and allow people in the bar at half time to finish their drinks. I'm sure we could have had a few St Albans fans in early the other week and a few Welling fans this Saturday. Even if they shut up and walked to Morrison's to stock up on bottled ales would be one good use of employing someone throughout the day.

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Just 2 thoughts

Not being an executive lounge goer do they have the same problems with their Bar.?

And how often are the pipes cleaned ?

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£32 laid out (£8 per hour) and the part time bar staff could serve, collect glasses, get the TV's sorted to show football results, run the half time bottle bar AND stay throughout the match.

     I Agree with some of the points raised throughout this Post BUT IMO I thought the idea of going To Park View Road was to watch WELLING UNITED play therefore why on earth would the club employ someone to work during the match surely everyone would be on the terraces or in the stands. If they wanted a beer between 3-5 go to the pub. I wouldn't pay £11 just so I could drink in a bar.

As to Russ's Original point of NO ALE. I was at the Disco nite (last friday) and there was no beer then, the Smooth was on its last few pints and the Fosters tasted off so it was a evening of Light Ale for me as i didn't fancy a can of Tetleys.

I was told that the real ale (Brakespear) would be delivered for saturdays game.

I was very disapointed that even though only a few attended THE CLUB still couldn't cateer for them.

 God knows what opinion someone would have had on the club attending for the first time.


Joke, absolute joke, it beggars belief.

If I ran a business like that Id be sacked or bankrupt or both. The longer this whole saga drags on the more I just shake my head at some of the complete incompetence, and at how easily some of these things could have been rectified.

 



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The bar is run by volunteers, which takes me back to a much raised point that because someone is doing it , doesnt make them the right people to do it.

Have any of them run cellars before? Or are they just helpers who shouldnt receive stick.

Should the club have a cellarman or a bar manager? Ongoing probably yes.

Ive always been under the impression that the club arent too bothered about the bar and seen it as a bit of a hassle. Whereas if it was run and marketed it could and should be a huge part of the Football Club.

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The bar is run by volunteers, which takes me back to a much raised point that because someone is doing it , doesnt make them the right people to do it.

Have any of them run cellars before? Or are they just helpers who shouldnt receive stick.

Should the club have a cellarman or a bar manager? Ongoing probably yes.

Ive always been under the impression that the club arent too bothered about the bar and seen it as a bit of a hassle. Whereas if it was run and marketed it could and should be a huge part of the Football Club.


Until this can be done professionally we should appreciate that Barry and Dave do as much as they can with the facilities they have, and that Kevin and Dean do a great job in alleviating some of the pressure at half time.

We should be thankful to anyone who is trying to do something for the rest of the supporters. 

 



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Yep my comments were about the main bar. Kevin and Dean should be praised for their actions.

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Yep my comments were about the main bar. Kevin and Dean should be praised for their actions.


Too true.
Kevin, don't get put off by the two that gave you greif mate and yes, I know how you feel about the club and rightly so.
I haven't been to many other clubs in our league, the the ones that I have been to, make ours look second rate.  The clubhouse, the organisation, the events, we cannot compete.
The Hobbins still appear to be in a time warp.  Not only haven't they paid the HMRC, they haven't invested in the club itself.  As stated before, it is supposed to be a local, family club. So why not get the local community in.  Open the bar on the weekends, advertise it and have a kindred atmosphere.
That way, perhaps the club could attract customers and perhaps, new Wings supporters?
Go get cheap booze from down the road ( as JgFc ) stated on another thread, then perhaps, make a profit - better still, make a community envoironment.
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just fcking open up the e&b bar!

is about a thousand times better than ours (which reminds me of an old folks home - sorry it does) and it will attract people in before the game and half time and has a better selection of booze

plus i still think the "drinking zone" during the game is a great idea that would make money but i suppose that's reason enough NOT to do it......

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