the message from the club thread been closed? Why were the Hobbins annoyed about certain posts on here? It shows ( obviously ) that they read the forum, yet fail to add to any comments. They could have posted on here loads of things about the way the club was going forward? Yet they chose the easy option of saying bugger all, except, a few terse remarks on the main WU page. This stinks, big time. 42 people, amongst others, have put loads into this club and for what? Kiss your money goodbye guys, unless there is a drastic change of ownership.
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-- Edited by bruno on Monday 3rd of January 2011 07:17:30 PM
the message from the club thread been closed? Why were the Hobbins annoyed about certain posts on here? It shows ( obviously ) that they read the forum, yet fail to add to any comments. They could have posted on here loads of things about the way the club was going forward? Yet they chose the easy option of saying bugger all, except, a few terse remarks on the main WU page. This stinks, big time. 42 people, amongst others, have put loads into this club and for what? Kiss your money goodbye guys, unless there is a drastic change of ownership.
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-- Edited by bruno on Monday 3rd of January 2011 07:17:30 PM
I think before editing, that was quite a poor post and really beneath you and contempt.
It could not have been nice to read certain postings about someone's character. Sometimes this can cause a knee-jerk reaction which may not always be the most appropiate one at that time. My view as always, is to digest what has been said and by who, then analyze a positive way forward.
The difficulty is that this site and will no doubt, like so many others always be about opinions. Football is an emotional game.
However downright accusations should not be allowed bearing in mind where we have come from as a club this season.
The club also needs to look at themselves to also not be placed in a position where they are allienated fans who have helped them and others who may also wish to be in a position to do so.
We should all be in one direction here and emotions run high sometimes, lets draw a line in the sand and move on again and concentrate on what Jamie and his team are doing on the pitch and how we can improve the club off it.
Whilst acting all hurt and horrible the Club should perhaps look at its performance off the field and remember it was the fans that have saved the Club.
I asked barry lots of questions, he answered everyone i wont post all i was told , its not my place, no bull, no saying everything is great, he answered all without flinching. He also said the supporters and specifically the lenders deserve a say. he said that off his own back and that the constitution is being formulated.
If anyone has questions then phone the man or go to speak with him.
They are also trying to sort the embargo with the solicitors help but have had to wait for xmas to pass to be able to address it as nobody is in office to deal with it who they need to talk to.
One other thing... the programmes were not sold out V Dartford, there are or were programmes available i believe in the club shop and the club DID get extra printed.
-- Edited by JgFc on Monday 3rd of January 2011 08:34:00 PM
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The problems at Saturday's match served to fuel emotions which are running high at the moment and the thread was closed to prevent comments from the Welling v Dartford thread being reiterated and hence the editing of Cynical's post.
In response to JgFc's post and the interests of transparency I must say that as far as programmes go the hut sold out before the game and Barrie brought some down to the turnstiles after the start of the match but at no time were there copies in the Club Shop.
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I asked barry lots of questions, he answered everyone i wont post all i was told , its not my place, no bull, no saying everything is great, he answered all without flinching. He also said the supporters and specifically the lenders deserve a say. he said that off his own back and that the constitution is being formulated. Why wont you post them? better still, why wont the club come on here and inform us, the paying supporters, the whole truth? You know the answer to that one Tom.
If anyone has questions then phone the man or go to speak with him. I have enough bull to deal with during my working hours thank you.
They are also trying to sort the embargo with the solicitors help but have had to wait for xmas to pass to be able to address it as nobody is in office to deal with it who they need to talk to. See post above
One other thing... the programmes were not sold out V Dartford, there are or were programmes available i believe in the club shop and the club DID get extra printed. So you are saying others on here lied?
'I think before editing, that was quite a poor post and really beneath you and contempt.' Then wake up and smell the Roses
Let me get things in perspective here - I think that deep down, the Hobbins have a passion for Welling United and rightly so - it has been their little baby since 1963, but that still doesn't make things right. I want this club to progress. I want us to go forward in time - not stuck in a time warp. We all know that improvements have to be made - clubhouse, toilets etc etc before we can progress. A lot of emphasis has been put on the supporters. Either by 42 hard soles that have contributed to our wellbeing and others that have said that they are willing to give up their free time to re-decorate the clubhouse in the off season. All well and good, but my main point is - why? Patsy, Sy, Bruno et al have worked minor miracles to help this club survive and for what? Open legs a little bit wider then shall we? We need transparency within the club, it's not hard to do - we need truth from the present regime - not that difficult is it?
-- Edited by JgFc on Monday 3rd of January 2011 08:34:00 PM
Your first post was edited by Bruno and a quoted post also, I edited my own post to sort a typo, when you quote my post and add to it my edited text appears at the bottom in the quote (its just quoting all my post and the fact i edited my post before you quoted it).
Apology accepted.
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The problems at Saturday's match served to fuel emotions which are running high at the moment and the thread was closed to prevent comments from the Welling v Dartford thread being reiterated and hence the editing of Cynical's post.
In response to JgFc's post and the interests of transparency I must say that as far as programmes go the hut sold out before the game and Barrie brought some down to the turnstiles after the start of the match but at no time were there copies in the Club Shop.
I have probably got that wrong then, barry did say we had programmes left and somehow they werent sold. Perhaps we can get clarification at a meeting.
-- Edited by JgFc on Monday 3rd of January 2011 10:21:00 PM
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John read the post from cynical at 915pm it clearly has been made to look hes quoting me and that i said that, my point is i didnt.
Where was that said Tom? The first part of my 9:15 post has somehow gone missing - flying around the ethernet no doubt. You replied to my OP 'Oh dear' I simply responded saying that you, in lots of previous threads on here, would not go to PVR as long as the Hobbins were in charge. You have changed your mind and helped out enormously. All credit to you and I for one applaud your work. If I ever met you, I would shake you by the hand and say thanks, the same as I do to all the other hard working people behind the scenes. It's not contempt towards you or any other WU supporter, but aimed at the club. Whether we like it or not, there has to be changes - I just hope that the new WUSA can make a real impact.
I havent changed my mind , and anyone whos spoke to me lately will tell you that. Ive said it all before ages ago, i have no need or inclination to trap it all off again.
I was mr bad man when i was the only one saying the club have to change and get commercial and not just sit there. Its caught up with us but i am behind them as i THINK they want to change and they will give some power and shareholding away for being dug out the shyte and shown a future.
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As you say you were the main agitator over the last few years in slagging the club off (and with some justification) and now you are doing a "volte face" and telling us how honest and sincere that you THINK the club are being.
I am sorry but I no longer believe a word that comes out of the mouth of the so called "officials" running our club. Read the two articles on the back cover of the fanzine with quotes attributed to them in the media about never ignoring the fans and being more transparent blah blah blah.........absolute bull****
If BH told me Christmas Day was the 25th of December I would have to check my diary to confirm if that was true.
Im not saying that at all. As you say i said this for years, why when everyone else is now going bananas would i carry on?
Many of the people now going bananas called me public enemy number 1 for daring to dig at the lack of business sense and professionalism. Now its ok to do so is it?
My colours are firmly nailed to the mast and i made it face to face. The supporters Must be given an executive role/share in the club for sums of 80k ish this season which would have got an investor a substantial say and share in a club that would have gone out of business if the money hadnt appeared.
Barry accepted criticsm of the bar and the programmes vs dartford, i personally dont feel that with things very shakey, everyone steaming in and ripping them to bits is very productive, the time to rip into them was years ago.
Now you either give money, time and support (pending the constitution and SA) or toodle pip off into the sunset hurtling abuse at them as you go.
Been there done that, no value in doing it at the moment. Im not two facedm have always praised when warranted and criticised when needed.
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I have given all three to my club - time, money and support. Even if I hadn't I am entitled to voice my opinion and be critical as and when I see fit.
This is MY CLUB and they are taking it to the cleaners. We have a first class management team and playing staff who have been let down.
We have first class supporters who back the club home and away (far more than I do) and they are also being let down.
To say they are economical with the truth would be an understatement and me, lots of other Wings fans that I know personally (and I suspect many many more) are completely ****** off with the whole thing.
The supporters Must be given an executive role/share in the club for sums of 80k ish this season which would have got an investor a substantial say and share in a club that would have gone out of business if the money hadnt appeared.
I agree that we must wait and see what the new constituion for the club will look like but I have seen nothing to indicate that supporters will be given an executive role/share in the club, although I agree that they should be.
A time-scale around when the club will do this would be useful. Dan Chapman mentioned a representative from those who loaned money would be consulted etc, but I have seen nothing about this being taken forward as yet. If we knew time frames then that would hopefully prevent some of the more negative posts on here. My feeling is that they come from frustration at knowing so little
Mr Socks you can say what you like, but tell me to wake up and smell the coffee is telling me how to suck eggs.
I am in the same opinion i always have been BUT i see this as the chance for the club to truly wake up and we will see IF they give the lenders AND the fans a place on an executive board, I wouldnt give the financial or legal people a place on an axecutive board so make them non exec.
IF we do that, then i am sure the fans will work for the club and the community will respond to the new constitution.
If we dont then the chairs have just been rearranged on the titanic.
i will wait till the constitution and SA are running before going off on one if i think its pissing in the wind.
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If the new constitution is as effective as a chocolate fireguard or the fans AND lenders dont get a share/exec role , there will be many who question their further support as it could be a waste of time.
Lewes are now a community club, gates are up they have people working their balls off. Without the lenders, without Sy, Patsy, Bruno, Without all the others giving their time and offering to help moving forwards, the club would now be wound up.
While the club may find it hard to "give" a substantial percent away .. they OWE a substantial percent away, without giving it or a legal promise (in exchange for further cash raised etc) then there is no future as we stand. As a community/trust club there is.
You will see if there is a future by the constitution.
Believe me. many will just walk away if it looks a bit iffy. I am willing to hold my tongue and see what the club offer and how they see the future, i may look a right **** if they offer the fans nothing but i genuinely feel teh club realise they have to open up and give the fans a say, Their club died in the court, the fans club emerged. I wonder if they realise this?
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We need the constitution of the club in granite before electing proper supporters association committee members, How can you elect officers when you dont know what they can each do or what is needed to be done. If the fans have a bigger say and share then the Supporters Association constitution will need to changed or be ammended. The interim committee should continue in the meantime, i am sure many or most of them will be on a permenant committee.
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