My starting 11 would be. Whitehouse, Oberstella,Coyle,Martin,Acheampong,Parkinson,Clarke,Day,Fazakerley,Cumbers, Pugh.
Playing 442, Fazakerley working the wings,
Oberstella could provide crosses from the left, as we have seen all season,Fazakerley can predominantly work the right wing,with Parkinson holding allows Clarke and Day to get forword to support the forwards.
Cumbers and Pugh make a good pair as we know.
On the bench Pires,Andrews,Sambrook,Dolby,Bellamy.allows for cover in all departments to maintain the same formation.
There is no chance in hell of Day moving Parkinson back to centre-half, although I agree thats his best position. I think he allows people like Clarke to bomb forward more when we play him in centre of midfield. He has brought Martin in recently despite having Sambrook, AA, Andrews, Coyle who can all play centre half, so it would be surprising to then see Parkinson dropped back there.
I prefer 442, but with this group I think 433 is the way forward as its worked recently in the last month until changed at St Albans. Against the better sides, which assuming we make the play-offs, is who we are likely to be playing in the next few games, Day and Clarke although full of energy, and going to get over-run in central midfield, and neither are exactly giants or pmpongroper holding midfielders / defensive minded.
I agree though that Pugh and Cumbers must be played together up front, putting him on the wing Saturday was ridiculous. Pugh and Cumbers are best mates and have played together since the year dot, so to not take advantage of them knowing each others game, as well as the fact they are both great players, is daft.
Bellamy can go and get his haircut properly, then will be considered
Hopefully this team ensures passing football on the deck with loads of pace on the break and goals from all over the place not just a reliance on one man like Birchall at Dover.
Up the Wings.
-- Edited by Kevin on Wednesday 20th of April 2011 10:37:59 AM
Yes I agree a 433 shape can work but see this more effective against opposition we think we can dominate in mid-field.
Against a good attacking oppo 442 contains better and counter attack is an option.
We have seen Loui Fazakerley play from deeper on the left or right so my mid- field are more than good enough to cover all areas, with Jack Parkinson holding center, Jamie Day and Lee Clarke can work together,each covering left or right as play is in progress.
Jamie must have more knowledge of how teams we will meet will set up from now on and adjust accordingly.
I have not considered Joe Healy, not knowing if he will be available again.
When it comes to left mid he was our best in that possition and I would have to think again if he was available.
In any case we have outstanding players for all possitions, a nice headache for Jamie.
Im really looking forward to how it will all pan out.
Onwards to victory and deserved promotion is the call...COYW.
Excellent center half, When Daisy doesnt play, we look weak in midfield. Whoever you leave out would soon fight their way back in. I think Jack is a center half so would be loathe to play him out of position and ive not seen 2 center halfs perform as good as Coyle and Acheampong this season, athough Martin is a colossus and a good signing if he can stay fit.
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There is no chance in hell of Day moving Parkinson back to centre-half, although I agree thats his best position. I think he allows people like Clarke to bomb forward more when we play him in centre of midfield. He has brought Martin in recently despite having Sambrook, AA, Andrews, Coyle who can all play centre half, so it would be surprising to then see Parkinson dropped back there.
I prefer 442, but with this group I think 433 is the way forward as its worked recently in the last month until changed at St Albans. Against the better sides, which assuming we make the play-offs, is who we are likely to be playing in the next few games, Day and Clarke although full of energy, and going to get over-run in central midfield, and neither are exactly giants or pmpongroper holding midfielders / defensive minded.
I agree though that Pugh and Cumbers must be played together up front, putting him on the wing Saturday was ridiculous. Pugh and Cumbers are best mates and have played together since the year dot, so to not take advantage of them knowing each others game, as well as the fact they are both great players, is daft.
Bellamy can go and get his haircut properly, then will be considered
Hopefully this team ensures passing football on the deck with loads of pace on the break and goals from all over the place not just a reliance on one man like Birchall at Dover.
Up the Wings.
-- Edited by Kevin on Wednesday 20th of April 2011 10:37:59 AM
Whats a pmpongropers, is it a secret weapon? What ever it is ,I like the sound of it.
You do not... DO NOT change your system to suit the oppo, thats cost us this season. Keep the same system even if you make minor changes to it. If we start changing our system against another teams set up.... We will get dicked and we arent playing to OUR strengths.
The best formation and starting X1 for us is whatever one Jamie Day selects
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You do not... DO NOT change your system to suit the oppo, thats cost us this season. Keep the same system even if you make minor changes to it. If we start changing our system against another teams set up.... We will get dicked and we arent playing to OUR strengths.
The best formation and starting X1 for us is whatever one Jamie Day selects
Totally agree, I started by trying to think of our strongest lineup and formation.
Then selecting a bench to enable that foramation to continue, like for like players should subs be needed.
I think my starting 11 is close to when we played Farnborough at home, difference is I selected Coyle were Sambrook played.And Loick instead of Cumbers.
I suppose it was a 433 and, fair comment, we have played this way with success.
I thought the Farnborough game was a tough match and we played some of our best football to get the result.
The run in games must be approached with the same attitude we showed that day.
I hope all the sqaud are as much injury free as can be hoed for at this late time in the season.
Lets see Jamie show what a good manager he has become by getting it right.
Every player thats started has more often than not given everything. Jamie gets it right most of the time. The advantage of Jack in center mid is hes fit, and he is good at set pieces when defending. He also allows others to get forward. Its also his first season playing Midfield, Jamie plays with him every week so would be more qualified than anyone if he says hes a center midfielder.
Theres probably not a side in this League Parky wouldnt get in. So we are probably falling into a trap by trying to select a best formation and starting X1. We have a SQUAD and they all deserve to start. Day has probably only got it wrong 3 or 4 times, Away to Ebbsfleet and where he left himself out although we got ok results we werent as cohesive as we are when he plays or as potent. He is still learning though and getting results. Hes been superb.
Sambrook has been valuable this season hes played both full backs, center half and midfield. Vital he stays or we sign a replacement as good and flexible if he goes. He seems to play each position well.
there isnt one of the regular starters who you would say shouldnt be here next season, knowing Jamie though he will want to improve the squad.
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Every player thats started has more often than not given everything. Jamie gets it right most of the time. The advantage of Jack in center mid is hes fit, and he is good at set pieces when defending. He also allows others to get forward. Its also his first season playing Midfield, Jamie plays with him every week so would be more qualified than anyone if he says hes a center midfielder.
Theres probably not a side in this League Parky wouldnt get in. So we are probably falling into a trap by trying to select a best formation and starting X1. We have a SQUAD and they all deserve to start. Day has probably only got it wrong 3 or 4 times, Away to Ebbsfleet and where he left himself out although we got ok results we werent as cohesive as we are when he plays or as potent. He is still learning though and getting results. Hes been superb.
Sambrook has been valuable this season hes played both full backs, center half and midfield. Vital he stays or we sign a replacement as good and flexible if he goes. He seems to play each position well.
there isnt one of the regular starters who you would say shouldnt be here next season, knowing Jamie though he will want to improve the squad.
Agree with the Sambrook point, and our regular starters,also I wont hear a bad word about Jamie.
His career can only get better and better.Maybe league managment material in the making.
Sambrook and others have proved adaptable, a big plus.
Be nice if the majority stay, but at this level there usually are changes, players trying to improve, players offered better deals etc.
If we are promoted its hard to see where we can improve, I think this squad as it is would compete very well, may be they are thinking the same, to move forward together as much as possible. It would be a rare but sound philosophy.
Why waste a season of learning each others games to start all over again?
Jamie and the management team would hit the ground running with most of this squad in this division or BSP.
We have moved of topic a bit, but good to think about.
We all know that Jamie sees Parkinson's future in midfield, but for me he just isn't consistent enough or discliplined enough in that position. As a defender, I think he's excellent, but if he's a midfielder then I'd rather have Clarke and Day in the middle.
I'm sure that Ben Martin will make a centre back spot his own, but I don't think he's had enough matches for us yet to justify displacing the other defenders. I know Coyle has been playing out of position at right back, but during the small number of matches when Sambrook has covered there, I think he's been better.
There is no chance in hell of Day moving Parkinson back to centre-half, although I agree thats his best position. I think he allows people like Clarke to bomb forward more when we play him in centre of midfield. He has brought Martin in recently despite having Sambrook, AA, Andrews, Coyle who can all play centre half, so it would be surprising to then see Parkinson dropped back there.
I prefer 442, but with this group I think 433 is the way forward as its worked recently in the last month until changed at St Albans. Against the better sides, which assuming we make the play-offs, is who we are likely to be playing in the next few games, Day and Clarke although full of energy, and going to get over-run in central midfield, and neither are exactly giants or pmpongroper holding midfielders / defensive minded.
I agree though that Pugh and Cumbers must be played together up front, putting him on the wing Saturday was ridiculous. Pugh and Cumbers are best mates and have played together since the year dot, so to not take advantage of them knowing each others game, as well as the fact they are both great players, is daft.
Bellamy can go and get his haircut properly, then will be considered
Hopefully this team ensures passing football on the deck with loads of pace on the break and goals from all over the place not just a reliance on one man like Birchall at Dover.
Up the Wings.
-- Edited by Kevin on Wednesday 20th of April 2011 10:37:59 AM
Don't you like Graeme Andrews? He is not even on your bench!!!
4-1-3-2. From what I`ve seen this season I think this has been the formation used for most games. It reverts to 4-4-2 when we are under sustained attack. Parky always seems less advanced than Day and Clarke. He adds protection to the back four. Clarke likes to attack the opponents penalty area. Stella gives width on the left. Faz on the right. Andrews is steady and less likely to get yellow or red carded than Acheampong. He and Sambrooke will step in when needed. Dolby and Johnson are wideman cover. I would love to see Joe Healy back as midfield cover. Pires covering up front.
I think Parky would be 1st to say he is a better centre half and i think could play league football playing there, but trying to look at it from Jamies point of view he does give Jamie and Clarkey a chance to push on ,the problem we have with them to in the middle is they lack a bit of mobility. Its not they cant play together its just that i think having Parky as extra protection helps the team.
I think playing in that position is not 1 that people will look at and think his doing a hell of a lot but just having his presence in there helps the team and jamie and Clarkey that bit more time an space.
Funny how Andrews in not in any othe the teams. Im not sure about Coyle centre half not for me i remember the Weston game away and i thought he struggled but only my opinion.
All the above teams and formations have been well thought out and show a lot of imagimation.
However, I do believe that with my vastly superior footballing knowledge there can only be one team.
Parkinson
Sambrook Cumbers Andrews Obersteller
Fazackerley Day Clarke Healy
Acheampong Pugh
Jack in goal will allow him to push up into the defence allowing Cumbers in turn to go forward.
I like the idea of Louis and Joe on the wings and can swop sides at certain periods.
With my superior formation, Mr Cumbers can swop with Mr Acheampong also.
With Cumbers pace and work rate, he will be ideal as a sweeper if needed.
And don't for one minute say that a defender is no good as a striker (remember Mr Budden playing up front and scoring whilst Charlie Side stayed on the bench at Woking I believe).
Pure class!
-- Edited by Trigger on Wednesday 20th of April 2011 09:24:48 PM
4-1-3-2. From what I`ve seen this season I think this has been the formation used for most games. It reverts to 4-4-2 when we are under sustained attack. Parky always seems less advanced than Day and Clarke. He adds protection to the back four. Clarke likes to attack the opponents penalty area. Stella gives width on the left. Faz on the right. Andrews is steady and less likely to get yellow or red carded than Acheampong. He and Sambrooke will step in when needed. Dolby and Johnson are wideman cover. I would love to see Joe Healy back as midfield cover. Pires covering up front.
I like your formation,I think you are right about the jobs indiviuals are given when under attack,I notice Jack Parkinson is the more vocal but as captain that is expected.Clarkie also chips in and I suppose Jamie lets people know whats going on but is not so animated to team members. This cant be said when it comes to Jamie straightening out the ref when there has been,let us say a missunderstanding.
I wont be critical of Jamie, I think he is one of the best mid-fielders I have seen play for welling, and I go back a long way, never the less I wonder how many bookings are due to dissent,(you can take the boy out of a fight, but you cant take the fight out of the boy) I really think with Jack in center mid spreads some of the ball winning about, therefore more second ball is won and football from the middle on the floor happens, and both Andy and Luis thrive on ball through the channels.
We seem to agree in most areas except you select Andrews instead of Acheampong,theres little to chose between these two,imo Anthony has a bit more physical presencs and tackles well, my selection here would be who shows fittest in training and games.
I am still wondering about Joe going walkabout ,does
anybody know if he will feture before the end of the season?
All the above teams and formations have been well thought out and show a lot of imagimation.
However, I do believe that with my vastly superior footballing knowledge there can only be one team.
Parkinson
Sambrook Cumbers Andrews Obersteller
Fazackerley Day Clarke Healy
Acheampong Pugh
Jack in goal will allow him to push up into the defence allowing Cumbers in turn to go forward.
I like the idea of Louis and Joe on the wings and can swop sides at certain periods.
With my superior formation, Mr Cumbers can swop with Mr Acheampong also.
With Cumbers pace and work rate, he will be ideal as a sweeper if needed.
And don't for one minute say that a defender is no good as a striker (remember Mr Budden playing up front and scoring whilst Charlie Side stayed on the bench at Woking I believe).
Pure class!
-- Edited by Trigger on Wednesday 20th of April 2011 09:24:48 PM
I think it has to be 4-3-3. Andrews would always be in my team has a touch of class. Parky holding paired in midfield with Day and Clarke. Front three is a problem in that only Pires can really play left side. Cumbers must play also Pugh of course so Faz might have to be secret weapon from bench (don't like leaving him out). Tough call at back as Acheampong has done really well but I'd go with experience and select Martin. Sambrook to get nod over Coyle and Whitehouse and Obersteller completing the picture. Bench would be Coyle, Acheampong, Faz, Dolby and one from Bellamy, Johnson, Heffernan if Dennis has gone.
Just shows you how well theyve all done and how well Daisy and the Coaches have done, we would all play them in different position and rate some slightly better than others and we all have differing opinions. We have a squad and every one of them has busted their balls this season and we arent sitting here saying replace him for next season, theres not one of them that we wouldnt hope signs for next season. I would keep this squad if we go up and if we keep it and didnt get up, we would be a good bet to do a newport next season and walk the league.
Come on you Wings!!
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Thought we looked unbalanced today. You cannot play Lee Clarke as widest left midfield and get best from him. We need a proper wide left player to link with JackO. Think Jamie has tough decision to make before Monday. My starting line up at Braintree would be.
Whitehouse
Coyle. Acheampong. Martin. Obers
Faz. Day. Clarke. Pires
Cumbers. Pugh
Subs: Parks. Dolby. Sambrook. Andrews. Bellamy
Hard on Parks and Andrews (who was excellent today) but really think that is our best hope on Monday.
Thought we looked unbalanced today. You cannot play Lee Clarke as widest left midfield and get best from him. We need a proper wide left player to link with JackO. Think Jamie has tough decision to make before Monday. My starting line up at Braintree would be.
Whitehouse
Coyle. Acheampong. Martin. Obers
Faz. Day. Clarke. Pires
Cumbers. Pugh
Subs: Parks. Dolby. Sambrook. Andrews. Bellamy
Hard on Parks and Andrews (who was excellent today) but really think that is our best hope on Monday.
I agree that we need a physical presence against Braintree, although it's the sort of match in which Day will get booked. I'd rather have Sambrook at right back instead of Coyle, but I suspect that Sambrook won't be fit for Monday.
Dolby looked lively when he came on yesterday - I think it's worth giving him a run out on the left.
