We are in it of course Alan but to be honest I wouldn't put too much money on it. I can't see Ebbsfleet beating Woking. Woking have hit top form just when it matters whilst we have got 1 point out of our last 9. I think it is a trip to lovely Cornwall next year for us.

What hurts me is that the team in footballing terms will almost certainly have achieved enough points to get into the play offs. It is non footballing side that has failed us.

Ahhhhh...I am banking on Hampton!!!!!

I know on Saturday I'll be behind the boys, remember we would of been secured a place if it wasn't for other matters. The most important thing is that we get the result we need on Saturday first then we can worry about what Fleet and Hampton have done.

MarkX wrote:

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Ahhhhh...I am banking on Hampton!!!!!

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 will be justice after them stopping us getting a spot a few years back

and if ebbsfleet rest players they are shooting themselves in the foot - if they lose they then go into the playoffs on a downer and usually to do well in the playoffs you need to be on a decent run

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JgFc wrote:

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Never look for excuses in life, Yes the club fecked up massively and were a shambles but we have thrown this away ON THE PITCH.

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 I disagree. Over the season we have got enough points to get into the play offs based on the number of wins and draws we had. The reason we are not in the play offs is due to off the field activities. Welling are in the top 5 in the BSS in terms of football and it is important the players and the managers know this. If they don't make the play offs it is not down to them

 

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 can't disagree with anything you have just said

 

If you look for excuses you will never win eff all. The team were in a position TO EASILY make the play offs 3 games ago, DESPITE the club ballsing up and snookering us all then being unable to pay wages for periods. The Manager (who is under a playing contract for another few days), kept the players together and from leaving this season and really got them playing under a seige mentality. Made us one of the favourites for promotion just days ago with the Bookies,

The last few weeks/days weve heard of Budget cuts for next season, Manager is going here or there, Players being offered other contracts at other clubs and on the pitch we've caved in and THROWN IT AWAY and we werent that "team" we were all season because some have already chose to **** off next season, none have signed for next season.

If you all want to say oh its the five points we lost 6 months ago, fair play to you, For me its the games and tactics used in the last 3 games and the attitude of some of the players who have started like they dont give a toss and only got going at Half Time when Daisy, Frosty and Ash got into them. It was in our hands DESPITE all the **** and we couldnt beat Thurrock, Dorchester or St Albans. THATS why we MAY not get in the play offs.

You know its not Daisy who gave up as hes been busting his arse trying to get results but a few players gave up and went through the motions. You reckon any of those left out will be here next season?

Of course it didnt help and its a disgrace we were ran that way that ended in an embargo and deduction. But we over came that and got in pole position with a handful of games. THEN we choked and gave up in two many positions. We absolutely THREW IT away and refused to take the chance.

Remember yes a few players could have walked, as were on contract. Was this really bust your arses and get the club promoted, or stick it out till the end of the season then eff off elsewhere when you can get a better deal and not just have to take anything. The last few games have shown me a few aint interested in being here.

You get your answer soon after the season finishes. But the attitude of some of the players and by no means all of the players over the last few games has been absolutely shocking.

I just hope this wasnt the season where the fans rallied and dug the club AND PLAYERS out of a hole and ensured they remained in a job and then everyone just upped at the end of the season - how would you feel then?.

 

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Not turned on them at all. The facts are though we are looking for excuses when it was in our own hands and we had some players who played the first halfs against Dorchester, St Albans and Braintree like it didnt matter, you were there, i am sure you can name them. Then we are looking for excuses the 5 points were gone months ago . If they stay, then feel free to say i was wrong.

No one has committed to next season. Weve slung this ON THE PITCH we overcame the off the pitch stuff. If they read this and get some fire in their bellys then good stuff. If they stay next year i will have fallen for the clubs who are trying to tap them up but i would say its definitely got to a few players who seem to have given up.

The ones who seem to have been busting their balls lately are Faz, Daisy, Stella, Acheampong and Clarkey. Previously it was all of them.

Whos been chasing the balls in the last few games? Whos been pressuring defences, Have you heard much geeing up? Wheres the passing and movement gone? Its boom down the middle to Pugh.

We were playing through knocks earlier in the season now anyone has a niggle they are out.

 Weve gone flat, why?

There is no getting away from the fact that recent results have been disappointing but had we not been deducted 5 points we would not have been sweating on the results of others to secure a play off place.

Despite the recent results the players have already earned enough points on the pitch to have secured a play off position and mathematically they could have finished runners up with a win against Basingstoke.  However bitter a pill some may find it, if we don't get into the play offs then  the reponsibility for failing to get there is entirely down to the club.

As far as the 'off the pitch stuff' goes its a bit premature to say that we have overcome the off field problems. What we have done is managed to survive a season, largely due to the substantial amount of money loaned and donated to the club by supporters.  I have yet to see any significant changes in the running of the club which were told would happen last August.

Wingnut wrote:

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The only cast iron FACT that we know for certain is that five points were deducted due to incompetence (the politest word I could find) by the people who run the club and not down to management or players.

Does that mean that the players would have "not bothered" a few weeks ago if those five points had not been deducted and we might have been in danger of winning the league?!

For someone who spent years slagging the club off left, right and centre this "volte face" is rather incredible even by your standards.

 

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 Totally agree well said

 

Can we please stop pointing the finger of blame for once.

The players probably read this, and all that needs to be said is go out on Saturday and win the game, for yourselves. You deserve it. Fate will sort the rest.

Up the Wings ...

As a fan I'm really not interested in promotion as its obvious we are a shambles off the pitch still. The club is run like a Rym Div 1 side not a club striving for BSP.

But the players have already got enough points to deserve a play off place.

Lets finish the season on a high on Saturday and hopefully as David Pleat might say "poetic justice" will play its part! 

  

whatever is to be - is to be.

Come Saturday we are either in the play offs or in the Blue Square South next season.

Whatever the result I will be applauding the team at the end of the game as I am a sure will many fellow fans.

Gavin, just read that.

I criticised Barry on Monday about how **** we are off the pitch, and i'll state AGAIN the way we were ran to be under embargo, deducted 5 points, not paying wages is absolutely clueless and amateur \and ive always said it. My point is you are all wanking off the players and now using the 5 points as an excuse. When the reason we have dropped out is performances on the pitch over the last 3 games. The 5 points is deffo an excuse but the management and the team overcome it, its the last 3 games that have made it out of our hands and everyones just saying ooh its the 5 points.


We have been unable to get some foundation and stability by getting the gaffer or players to committ to next season and this is why I THINK some of the players have been sidetracked and eased off the gas and been off form and not as up for it as when under the seige mentality.

Anyone who exclusively blames the 5 points is avoiding the issue that weve fallen to pieces on the pitch in the last few weeks and Players deals elsewhere are being leaked some from staff at the clubs offering them the jobs. I think thats more of a contributing factor than 5 poinst taken off 6 months ago, given we were in 3rd and faced Thurrock and St Albans long after the points came off.

I will say again this season will be remembered as a great squad for me depending on how many want to stay, if they all go then theyve been paid for their work. As it is its the last week of the season and weve heard NOTHING of the Management team or Players for next season or even if they want to stay. If we had i think they might have stayed together and not caved in.

The club is still run as it was before the embargo, no constitution no change in commercial activity. Ive said it for years, i still hope it changes. Im certainly not saying they havent contributed to us missing the play offs Gavin but the most saliant point is the performances of late when we have slung it away on the pitch from the position we were in,  because some have broken ranks and seem to be going through the motions, is them being tapped up and ok for next season the reason?. If they havent committed long term why would they commit short term?

If they stay we really have a platform, if they walk we have eff all and who loses out... the fans.

Ive also already stated there are still plenty of players busting their nuts off trying their hearts off.

 

 

Can I bring ourselves all back to the title of this thread.  With stronger faith and more unity - we will have a greater chance.

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  I have yet to see any significant changes in the running of the club which were told would happen last August.

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 sad but true

and the question is will we go through exactly the same thing next year? and if we do the supporters have been bled dry so it looks like we will be totally f***ed

 

I do not think any of the players will be happy if we fail to make the play-offs. On another day we would have scored a hat-full at Stale Buns and only a horrible soft penalty award that never goes our way cost us three points against Thurrock.

Performances in those games were not as fluent as they were earlier in the season but maybe the fact that all had to play through so much adversity earlier on in the season has left them a little jaded now.

Can anyone commit for next season if nothing has been offered to them?

Only three weeks ago, people were going on about every player being worth a player of the year trophy. I still think they have all been worthy of our full backing and I hope that is what they get on Saturday.

Im just bricking it Gavin and tried not to have a dig at people which is why i was vaigue, people at games have seen the same and been vocal in that respect. Just feel weve got distracted and fallen apart and not done a great deal about getting players on board for next season or keeping it together. The good thing is Daisy has continued to try and get them going and theyve come out second half and been better.You should know me enough to know how ive felt about us off the pitch, we said we will improve but like you i havent seen it but live in hope.

They all deserve a lot of praise but i personally will be more likely to respect those that commit, just the way i am. Danny Chapman etc.

http://chelmsfordcitysoapbox84887.yuku.com/topic/10933/Woking-or-Ebbsfleet-if-we-Win-on-Saturday

 

well according to this lot it's already over......