Agree that it was a bit too much yesterday on Adrian Quelch at the end.
Cant help when they see terrible tackles not punished that see our players given straight reds for. A player of ours sent off as the opp player lost balance and collided with him. Wall crashed into Motty and no card, A blatant handball not given. He announces 4 minutes extra and plays 3 and halfI think yesterdays ref got some extra stick as people are annoyed they are changing games given the horrific decision by Paul harris that gave Stortford a 1-0 lead in the cup from a terribly wrong decision.
Sometimes its hard not to think refs have it in for your team. Tell me an oppo player whos been sent off for a lunge this or last season. I could probably name 10 such tackles against us. Every time one of ours made one it was a red.
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I've thought awhile about making this post but decided to go ahead. It's about the vitriolic abuse heaped upon the match officials by certain members of our away support. Let me start by saying that the numbers we take to away fixtures is amazing and generally the atmosphere created is great. However we seem to be in danger of blaming the officials for our own shortcomings. I agree the referee at Saturdays match made mistakes but if we're honest we all make mistakes in our lives (both on and off the pitch). I don't seriously believe match officials have it in for Welling but judging by some of the comments that would appear to be the case. At times it is an embarassment to be a Wings supporter. I know an answer is not to stand behind the goal but as I mentioned earlier the atmosphere and humour from some of the comments is excellent. All I ask is that we do not lose the passion just some of the abusive and foul language.
I think that giving the officials a bit of stick is part of the game. I don't think that will ever change. However I do agree that after the game people can be very very quick to blame the officials and ignore the serious shortfalls in our performance. I have posted on her that I do not think any offical is biased. They make mistakes, as do all the players. if they didn't make mistakes they would be referring world cup finals. Anyone who blames the officials for yesterday's poor performance is living in another world.
This is because every time we put in a hefty challenge, the oppo team (plus occasional managers) surround the referee and scare him into giving us red cards etc. How often do we do this? If however we sank to the level of the knuckle draggers that play against us week and week out, I would stop going to Welling games completely.
I've thought awhile about making this post but decided to go ahead. It's about the vitriolic abuse heaped upon the match officials by certain members of our away support. Let me start by saying that the numbers we take to away fixtures is amazing and generally the atmosphere created is great. However we seem to be in danger of blaming the officials for our own shortcomings. I agree the referee at Saturdays match made mistakes but if we're honest we all make mistakes in our lives (both on and off the pitch). I don't seriously believe match officials have it in for Welling but judging by some of the comments that would appear to be the case. At times it is an embarassment to be a Wings supporter. I know an answer is not to stand behind the goal but as I mentioned earlier the atmosphere and humour from some of the comments is excellent. All I ask is that we do not lose the passion just some of the abusive and foul language.
Malcolm.
I go to football for a lot of reasons, I love the game, I used to love playing at a reasonable standard from Sunday league to intermediate level in the Southern Amateur League, I played most of my Saturday football in the South London Alliance back in the 70s, 80s and early 90s, then in vets on Saturdays till I couldn't swing a golf club on a Sunday mornings. I watched Millwall as a kid and into my early teens and would still look to watch a game at the new den now and then. I have become a non league follower over the last 20 years or so.I am now a Welling United supporter.So Ive seen and heard a fair amount of what can happen at any football match.
I have been guilty of getting carried away and shouting real abuse at officials both as a player and as a Welling supporter, to the point of feeling the need to apologise to Patsy our well known lady supporter,and others with children.
She said she chooses to be in the environment were foul language will happen and I say fair play to her.
There is a way to be vocal, to express feelings, and it takes a something away if you cant vent your feelings.
Releasing pent up frustration is one thing but hurling personal abuse is another. I love the spontaneous humour, but don't like to see a young fellow trying to officiate getting out and out aggressive personal abuse
Officials are only human and will sometimes maybe make a decision ,that's a genuine mistake,and dare I say may make a decision to get even with a supporter who has over stepped a level of tolerance.
We can debate on and on about whats right and wrong with football.Our game continues to evolve.
But I say this, so long as mums have tits swearing is part of football and always f**king will be.
I perfectly understand that to some extent swearing and passion at matches are part of the game. My main concern was the severity of the swearing directed at the officials both during, and at the conclusion of, the match.
I suppose the bigger question is does it actually have the effect that people who are doing it want it to have. I know if I was an official what I would call the direct unsubtle outright abuse would not make me any more disposed towards Welling's cause. As one who witnesses it at most away games it actually becomes just bloody tedious!
The point is probably better made to the blokes in the middle if it is a bit inventive or different. If the bloke is having a bit of a wry smile at it, it hasn't just bounced of as a direct threat\insult probably has and you might be making headway.
I wonder what people's reaction would be if JgFc's camera were trained on us at some of the more contentious points and could see themselves in action.
This is because every time we put in a hefty challenge, the oppo team (plus occasional managers) surround the referee and scare him into giving us red cards etc. How often do we do this? If however we sank to the level of the knuckle draggers that play against us week and week out, I would stop going to Welling games completely.
This above point is spot on IMO - have spoke to others re it, & yes do we need to sink to that level?.....no I think not.
But they do & we keep getting sent off...dam you pesky oppo ref' bullies!
*Edited - to correct spellings, don't need the grammer police on my case.
prob' still mistakes though...LOL!
-- Edited by Fat Cabby on Tuesday 30th of October 2012 08:31:06 PM
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I think we don't help ourselves at times, there's passion & there's passion, but some find it a must to go OTT & single out certain officials or oppo' players to the point of chasing down to the pitch edge & giving them finger wagging f'ing & blinding treatment. Though the ones that do never seem to be around after the game in the oppo's bar to face the said 'cheating' culprits.......funny that.
Take Dorchester's keeper the other week, he came in for stick through out the game & handled it very well I thought, then because they had the last laugh re the winning goal (how we lost that game is still a mystery to me) showed some pleasure in his team winning. Cue certain supporters taking it very badly & accusing him of swearing at them.......& so what if he did! The guy gets slaughtered for 90 mins & then gets slated for having a chuckle & giving some banter back.
As for swearing ....tricky, Ive grown up with it over the years with watching league football matches since the 70's & take it with a pinch of salt, but yes, if there is young kinds & ladies present, people should watch there language & respect the situation.
DO NOT GET ME WRONG IN ALL THIS THOUGH! - For a BBS club I think we have a fantastic away support overall & one to be proud of (apart from the odd situ's as mentioned above). In fact I reckon if we had got Bishop's Stortford away in the FA Cup instead of at home we would still be in the comp' now. Thats how much I think our players get lifted by our away support.
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''It is our duty to preserve the real values of this sport. And while we're around, that passion will be there''
I reckon its as much to do with alcohol as anything else. I'm not pretending to be remotely innocent but it can be a bit tedious sometimes when its prolonged for no apparent reason (as opopsed to the burst of anger at a bad decision which most of us do). As for calling oposition players "benders" as I heard recently, it's good to see that some of our supporters are still firmly in the 1970s.
Ahhhh now your talking....I remember at two grounds we were told to calm it down (Lewes and Moor Green from what I an remember)....the repost was fantastic!!!
Thinking of the old Moor Green gorund...they had floodlights that they had to erect by winding a handle ......
I think we don't help ourselves at times, there's passion & there's passion, but some find it a must to go OTT & single out certain officials or oppo' players to the point of chasing down to the pitch edge & giving them finger wagging f'ing & blinding treatment. Though the ones that do never seem to be around after the game in the oppo's bar to face the said 'cheating' culprits.......funny that.
Take Dorchester's keeper the other week, he came in for stick through out the game & handled it very well I thought, then because they had the last laugh re the winning goal (how we lost that game is still a mystery to me) showed some pleasure in his team winning. Cue certain supporters taking it very badly & accusing him of swearing at them.......& so what if he did! The guy gets slaughtered for 90 mins & then gets slated for having a chuckle & giving some banter back.
As for swearing ....tricky, Ive grown up with it over the years with watching league football matches since the 70's & take it with a pinch of salt, but yes, if there is young kinds & ladies present, people should watch there language & respect the situation.
DO NOT GET ME WRONG IN ALL THIS THOUGH! - For a BBS club I think we have a fantastic away support overall & one to be proud of (apart from the odd situ's as mentioned above). In fact I reckon if we had got Bishop's Stortford away in the FA Cup instead of at home we would still be in the comp' now. Thats how much I think our players get lifted by our away support.
The point about the Dorch keeper is spot on - if you can't take it then don't dish it out. I am no shrinking violet when it comes to the language and even though my boys come to a few games, my language is not something that I am proud of on certain occasions.
I had some "banter" a few years back with a bloke called Ramsey playing for Eastbourne. I gave him plenty of stick throughout the game and sure enough he scored the winner late on and came to the touchline to tell me all about it. He also came over at the end of the game and we shook hands and he most definitely had had the last laugh.
I think the point about alcohol that Andrew raised is also a valid one.
I suppose the bigger question is does it actually have the effect that people who are doing it want it to have. I know if I was an official what I would call the direct unsubtle outright abuse would not make me any more disposed towards Welling's cause. As one who witnesses it at most away games it actually becomes just bloody tedious!
The point is probably better made to the blokes in the middle if it is a bit inventive or different. If the bloke is having a bit of a wry smile at it, it hasn't just bounced of as a direct threat\insult probably has and you might be making headway.
I wonder what people's reaction would be if JgFc's camera were trained on us at some of the more contentious points and could see themselves in action.
Now there's a point, If we could see ourselves at our worst, what would we at our best think.
And yes , a witty well timed comment is more effective, and far more entertaining and acceptable for all.
This thread is interesting, and thought provoking when sitting at a key board.
A lot of us go to a game, have a few beers,need to have a couple of hours away from work and all.To modify and moderate football support into rugby style support? I wonder is that possible. Now there's a thought... Do rugby supporters swear? I think they do. Do pro golfers swear? Does a vicar swear when his tea is too hot? swearing is an age old way of expression.
Clever and intelligent use of language in a controlled alcohol free situation is not the same as getting with your mates and having a Saturday afternoons football.
Should we as individuals try for a better way of behaviour in our support , as seen at the Olympics earlier this year. Something to think about.
