The only plus side of this cup is you can use it to cheat suspensions. Our youth team plus Jordan a couple of years ago should have beat Thamesmead at their gaff and had Jordan scored a penalty.. they would have!!
I like Thamesmead as a club but whether we send the first team or the kids the gate will still be under 100 on a Tuesday night in this competition. I wouldnt play any of the first team squad on what will be a wet pitch in the freezing cold in a micky mouse cup, too many risks. Maybe JT IF he wanted a game as he would help the youngsters organisation and development with a decent keeper behind them.
Kurtis and Clarkie (and Ben) will be travelling down at least 3 times next week for training and a game already. Let them (and the first team) put their feet up and get ready for Sunday.
Think you either send all the fringe and Jamies College kids or the Academy/Kent Youth lads which seems the better option.
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Alexander O'Neal 1987 "I'm fed up cos all you wanna do is criticize "
Likely to be a young team i would have thought. Whos going?
I think shutts and me are planning on getting cabs there and back from sidcup so if anyone wants to join us let me know on here. if 4 people go its going to be about a tenner each max,
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Alexander O'Neal 1987 "I'm fed up cos all you wanna do is criticize "
Well, I'd have thought that Main, Guthrie, Hughes-Mason, Fairweather-Johnson and JT will all get a game after being left out on Saturday. Also Kinch is suspended on Sunday and could do with game time. Daysy has only played twice in about 6 weeks so he should play. And Connor Mac could no doubt do with some more games under his belt. So could be a strong-ish team.
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Ben can play if selected as his ban is finished now BEN MARTIN [55572291] Suspension: 2 match(es) from 26/10/2012 to 4/11/2012 inclusive (All Football) Case: 5458839M
Good news.
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Win tonight then Away at Cray, win that and play AFC Wimbledon or E&B&Q
Looks like its regionalised so no nasty games at Hanwell or Uxbridge, its also the competition we can use suspensions in, which could be very handy. And keep players fit who havent had many minutes. On that basis , rather strangely, i hope we win tonight.
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Far from it, Main was very good, looked sharp, played 90, scored two and could have had 4, brought off a very good save from their keeper plus tried a good lob. We had mostly Under 18s plus JT, Barney, Kiernan, Mainy and Flack.
We were just not strong enough against their experienced team and made a few errors through youth. Jamie will have been impressed with a couple of our under 18s for the future, plus Enoch Adeji whos on loan from us to Thamesmead looked tricky and dangerous, also lovely cross from Malachi Hudson for their 5th, another on loan to them from us.
Match report from Mark Shuttleworth tomorrow and highlights tomorrow also. I dont think we deserved to lose 5-2.
Footnote they had ex wing Femi Omogbehin playing for them.
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Alexander O'Neal 1987 "I'm fed up cos all you wanna do is criticize "
Could have been better , but a fiver to get in and better than .. I dunno .. relentlessly keeping tabs on D*rtford's game and posting it as a matter of interest on a Wings board
Inexperience in defense , Thamesmead up for it , put on players twice the size of ours and got a deserved win .. Hudson (one of ours?!?!?) was sharp when he came on for them towards the end .. JGFC will have footage which will show some inconsistencies no doubt , but some positives (i.e. 90 mins for some players) but overall I thought 'Mead deserved it .. Better than last seasons game in the same LSC fixture .. Can't moan at a fiver. . prob' just under a hundred there
Big shout out to Danny for the chats in the bar and in the 2nd half
Far from it, Main was very good, looked sharp, played 90, scored two and could have had 4, brought off a very good save from their keeper plus tried a good lob. We had mostly Under 18s plus JT, Barney, Kiernan, Mainy and Flack.
We were just not strong enough against their experienced team and made a few errors through youth. Jamie will have been impressed with a couple of our under 18s for the future, plus Enoch Adeji whos on loan from us to Thamesmead looked tricky and dangerous, also lovely cross from Malachi Hudson for their 5th, another on loan to them from us.
Match report from Mark Shuttleworth tomorrow and highlights tomorrow also. I dont think we deserved to lose 5-2.
Footnote they had ex wing Femi Omogbehin playing for them.
I totally agree 1000% on this, I thought Main did a great job .. got a couple of goals but overall he had ideas that you could see were a couple of weeks away of working for us in the league.. They deserved the win 'Mead don't get me wrong but it was down to pure day in day out experience in the Ryman North that gave them that edge , they are solid guys and Keith has got a very solid team there again.. I think 5-2 flattered them a little bit maybe but they deserved the win , but very many positives from the young players against an experienced , well drilled side (JGFC, I i totally concur with the Hudson cross aswell)
Agree Mead deserved it and were stronger than us but we were mostly under 18s and they are a Ryman side, massive positive was Mainy, plus a few of the kids looked good in spells against experienced men. The 4 and 8, 12 looked ok when he came on for the injured Barney Williams.
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Agree Mead deserved it and were stronger than us but we were mostly under 18s and they are a Ryman side, massive positive was Mainy, plus a few of the kids looked good in spells against experienced men. The 4 and 8, 12 looked ok when he came on for the injured Barney Williams.
Very good actually , also considering set pieces and midfield battles were against players a good half a foot taller than them!
No, it was his first full game in a year, he can do it at this level, he got through 90 and his finish for his first was superbly clinical. He also had two decent shots.
The man is a born finisher in the mold of Bartley. Just a pure goalscorer. Hes had 2 bad injuries.
He does need to grab his chance when he gets it though. Hes scored 5 goals this season and hardly played. Not too shabby.
People need to remember we play a formation that suits Ross, Mainy cant do the work Ross does or batter defences. None of you have ever seen a finisher of Mainys quality at PVR since Bartley, thats a fact.
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Men against boys at time last night although 5-2 was very flattering to them.
Main clearly knows what he is doing in front of goal and I was impressed with his attitude last night. Flack started well wide right but played more midfield second half and struggled. KHM strangely subdued most of the game when I thought he would stand out against this level of opposition. As has been said earlier in this thread a lot of football at this level is about size and strength and we were always going to be second best on that score.
Good to see Daisy there havng a look at some current squad players and maybe some for the future. However, in my opinion, only Main put his hand up for a place on Sunday.
I have not been greatly impressed by Main this season. Do those that were there think that the reason he shone last night is because Ryman is his level or can he still do it at conference south level.
I said hes the best finisher SINCE Bartley not that hes better than him. I think hes scored a lot more goals than Bartley at a higher level. both at their peak..... Mainy arguably is different class to Bartley but we cant really be sure. Thats not the argument though, my belief is hes the best out and out finisher since Bartley played for us. Bartley wil always be god and it would probably take RVP to play for Welling for there to have ever been a better striker than Bartley for Welling. Even though the vast majority of Bartleys goals coming below Southern League level and a chunk coming at youth level.
Comparing Main to Baker is frankly disrespectful. I liked Baker and personally am disappointed he went (Although completely see why Jamie had to let him go) but Main is even now on a different planet. 3 starts 5 goals? Work out the minutes to goals of all of our players. You might see the person at the top is a J Main. Some people want blood, hes a finisher whos coming back off bad career threatening injuries. If he gets a run in the team and stays fit he could still score 20 despite not playing.
He needs to do the business when he gets a start though as when Jamie started him he didnt play well enough, he will know that. Hopefully it was down to fitness.
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Bit harsh, no one can deny for whatever reason he hasnt had a run of games, and he has scored a few. If he stays injury free and fit he will always score goals. If our formation means he comes on for 30 mins and starts a few but still gets 10-15 surely hes been a success. You can see why he hasnt had many starts and i am in no way saying he should start every game. Jamie needs to manage him how he thinks we will get the best from him. You cant just change your formation to suit a player when we are up around the play offs. Mainy is the only one who can get Jamie to do that by smashing goals in when he gets his chance.
If people are expecting him to win headers, occupy center backs and do the hold up job they will be waiting a long time, if you are expecting someone who will be played in and left to finish then you will see him at his best.
You cant question his attitude when hes on the pitch, you can question if our style of play suits him or he suits our style of play. If he stays i will bet he scores 15 even being used as a super sub.
He impressed me with his fitness, his sharpness, his attitude and his finishing on Tuesday, positive signs, now all he has to do is grab his chance when he gets it and hes off and running. Im sure even he had doubts as to if his legs would stand up this season, they seem to be getting stronger all the time.
You cant score 15 by xmas when youve started 3 games. I think people need to have a reality check.
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Alexander O'Neal 1987 "I'm fed up cos all you wanna do is criticize "
He has started for us ths year but never made the 90 minutes and was disapointing. I saw him score a couple of good goals pre-season - Cray I think. He looked exciting then but again it was against lower league players and he had that little bit more time. I fear the injuries may have slowed him down.
I hope I am wrong but we are now in November and I haven't seen anything yet to set the world on light. Some good goals when coming off the bench true but on other occasions has come off the bench and been anonymous.
I said hes the best finisher SINCE Bartley not that hes better than him. I think hes scored a lot more goals than Bartley at a higher level. both at their peak..... Mainy arguably is different class to Bartley but we cant really be sure. Thats not the argument though, my belief is hes the best out and out finisher since Bartley played for us. Bartley wil always be god and it would probably take RVP to play for Welling for there to have ever been a better striker than Bartley for Welling. Even though the vast majority of Bartleys goals coming below Southern League level and a chunk coming at youth level.
Comparing Main to Baker is frankly disrespectful. I liked Baker and personally am disappointed he went (Although completely see why Jamie had to let him go) but Main is even now on a different planet. 3 starts 5 goals? Work out the minutes to goals of all of our players. You might see the person at the top is a J Main. Some people want blood, hes a finisher whos coming back off bad career threatening injuries. If he gets a run in the team and stays fit he could still score 20 despite not playing.
He needs to do the business when he gets a start though as when Jamie started him he didnt play well enough, he will know that. Hopefully it was down to fitness.
Agreed on most points. Comparing players from different eras and different levels is nigh on impossible anyway.
Main differs to Baker as a player but also in attitude. Baker sat on the bench at Bromley for twenty minutes before the league game sulking like a five year old whilst Main wanted to play at Thamesmead and get minutes under his belt. I spoke to him pre season and he seemed well up for it and seemed motivated to do well. However, as has been stated on here, when he has been given a chance he has not (so far) taken it. With Guthrie now on board I am not sure where Main now features in the pecking order.....
Hopefully as one of three strikers who will all get goals!!
Hes looking sharp and has the scoring touch still, seems to be fit. I am sure we will find out soon enough. He didnt look rusty albeit against a ryman team and he has hardly played, i think Jamie has just brought him along slowly. If you listen to his early interviews he said we will bring him along, get him stronger and manage him properly to get his fitness up and injury strengthened.
In pre season he was limping when playing, against Thamesmead no sign of a limp and he kept going for 90 mins.
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I sincerely hope that you are all correct. It can only be good for the team if we have strikers who can scoring on a regualr.
However I predict her will be a bit player for the rest of the season and will then be gone. If I am wrong then that means he is producing the goods and I will shake his hand and buy him a drink.
Jon Main has scored vital goals and won crucial penalties when he has come on from the bench and maybe he could have made a difference had he been used a few more times.
As for the best finisher since Bartley, I'm not so sure. Gary Abbott and Terry Robbins are a couple of strikers who might dispute that, but it's all a matter of opinion.
