Mmmmm

Not sure ANY of those could be fixed that quickly

PA System - Yes I agree with you and 'probably' the easiest to do

Erith bar etc....Not up to us is it....If they dont want to play ball then nothing we can do

Floodlighting...I didnt think it was that bad actually - I think it is fine for this level

Covered terracing....need about £150k per end and that is IF we were to get planning permission....We have not got that money and there are more pressing needs for me...like sorting the terracing

Yep totally agree

I think publicity is the main issue, as the attendance on Saturday showed. Without decent gate receipts the other issues have no chance of ever being resolved. At the moment we can also capitalise on Charlton and Millwall's current poor run.

Okay I've previously mentioned social networking, which is a very useful free publicity tool, but on it's own is very limited.

One possible idea off the top of my head is maybe having a pile of leaflets/flyers in the club shop on match days so people can pick up a few to leaflet or hand to local shops and pubs to display. If someone does take a few leaflets/flyers then it might be an opportunity to register them as a volunteer.

I know there's a 'volunteer' tab on the site but it appears to be some way off completion, so the above might an ideal alternative for the mean time.

Another easy way to increase gates is to simply get more friends and family to come along. If everyone brought one extra friend or family member to each game, then that's the attendance doubled in an instance. I know it's stating the obvious but I've certainly found it alot more easier to get my mates to come along to the Cambridge game. In the BSS my mates used to think of it is a 'one man and his dog' league. Where as this year we've got teams like Luton, Grimsby and Wrexham adding alot more weight to what is effectively League 3.

Also are we still doing the schools promotion, which we did last season? And don't say 'WDYPTC'...

I still think the best way is a double page flyer, colour with info and stick one in every letterbox within a mile with a decent offer in it.

yes I do know what Steve does, I know him and was speaking to him only last month and yes you could ask Lewes or any other club, it does not matter who, the point I am making is lets speak to experienced people or clubs and learn from what they have done and adopt the things that we can do which we think is relevant and and are affordable to our club.

CAFC did do a lot of what is being suggested posters. flyers etc, but they also set up their community scheme which is still going today.

As for the work of the WUCT you answered my point "what do they do?" the club and the WUCT need to work closer together to engage with the community including the fan's and especially the youngsters in the community who are the next generation of Wings fans. We also need them to promote their work within the community and this is something the council maybe interested to help with.


To me, they need to work closer with the club for example CAFC: Chiiid goes to summer school via their Community Trust at the end of the week a player or past player goes along presents a medals and a goodie bag of CAFC stuff ie posters etc, - a free ticket offer is given out to the child mum or dad takes them to a game.

Our WUCT could run and probably does runs summer schools ( funds for them) the club gives them the items for the goodies bags including flyers for the game, and a ticket offer for said child parent and child come to game? but to make it work WUC|T and the club need to work together.

The WUCT also has the ideal vehicle to promote the summer schools each year the damson festival is always on before the schools break up, hence why Millwall and CAFC community attend.

And this year if the club and WUCT work together they cam take the trophy into the primary schools

This is just one strategy amongst others that could be used if everyone works together.

Yes Moo is right we have come leaps and bounds since the arrival of Paul but he cannot not do it on his own or without a budget. and Hales out point about the signs and bus stop is valid and should be investigated further.

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It's clear what Charlton did and how it could be replicated at PVR.

Like everything though it all boils down to £££.

My sons have been on the cafc community schemes for 6 or so years now and you are correct it is fantastically well run.

 

 

 

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-- Edited by Falconwood_1 on Monday 19th of August 2013 12:10:54 PM

Waste of money putting flyers and ads in newsshopper. No one reads it, not everyone gets it delivered flyers go in the bin in one handful. Single flyer in each letter box delivered on its own = win

Get bang for your buck not do something for the sake of it imo that wont work.

Whos going to pay for goodie bags, i think we need to attract people of all ages, families, stidents, retired people, not just put a lolly , a balloon and sticker in loads of 8 years old carrier bags who all probably have Charlton or man united shirts and wouldnt come.

I think we are getting there with no expense with schools by having them play on the pitch at half time, if that continues this season. Concentrate on the local residents imo and bang out some offers for cheap tickets or family tickets to get them on once and try and hook them. We want the people who are on our doorstep.

No its saying that advertising in newsshoper and goodie bags wont work. We did the newsshopper waste of money.

If you want people to come, then advertise to THEM. Most direct way is through their letterbox.

Once good point made in this thread. Sign posts to Welling United FC, Bexley Council should do that, most other conference clubs have them in the local area. People say oh we arent great with the council.. but they have not done a poxy thing in 40 years for PVR or their residents and its their ground. You could write what they have done on a grain of rice and have space for a joke which would be quite apt.

 

 

pwinthecity wrote:

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No need to phone the club , Schools promotions don't really work during the school holidays

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 Doh! This is what happens when I make posts near my bed time....

Wellington Boot wrote:

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Some of the things we need to do don't involve rocket science.

Advanced publicity must improve.

The PA system is a joke...surely a nightclub sponsor could come up with a couple of decent speakers.

Not making arrangements to open the Erith stand bar beggars belief.

Half-way line floodlighting must be barely legal at this level.

Some covered terracing once the nonsense of segregation sets in...yes there is a cost here...and it won't happen...pity we couldn't salvage something from one of the defunct grounds in London.

The progress on the picth has been fantastic. However it needs to go hand in hand with progress off it. 3 of the 5 things mentioned could be sorted by the Bank Holiday. I'd be impressed if one happened!

Survival means sustainability applied in a common sense sort of pro-active fashion.

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New season, but same old problems with not moving forward (off the pitch) as a club in alot of area's. " /> Each season these same points come up time after time.

Some of the points WB mentioned above do take alot of money to correct - ie the covered terracing debate, but others as the age old point of opening the E&B bar doesn't take alot. Its funny how it can always be opened on the Charlton games, yet not others? Why does the club not have meetings with the correct people (if they have'nt already) & then let us know what the situation is? So atleast this arguement can be put to bed once & for all. But saying that surely there is not a strong enough argument against this?????? Money is there to be made!  

Also, don't get me started on as to why we are not running our OWN catering outlets in the ground!!!!  Chips anyone, no sorry don't do them here! TOTAL JOKE! Money to be made & yet we let these things slip season after season.

There was a review in yesterdays NL paper on us (Diary of a ground hopper), which we didn't impress them to much (no surprises there). Its got to be worth WUSA & especially the club looking into their very valid points? One area we did score well on was in regard to our programme, so theres a positive.  

Summing up, if the quality that is now offered on the field was matched by the facilities off the field, then I am sure both home & away supporters would be encouraged to come back time & time again.

 

morph wrote:

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yes I do know what Steve does, I know him and was speaking to him only last month and yes you could ask Lewes or any other club, it does not matter who, the point I am making is lets speak to experienced people or clubs and learn from what they have done and adopt the things that we can do which we think is relevant and and are affordable to our club.

CAFC did do a lot of what is being suggested posters. flyers etc, but they also set up their community scheme which is still going today.

As for the work of the WUCT you answered my point "what do they do?" the club and the WUCT need to work closer together to engage with the community including the fan's and especially the youngsters in the community who are the next generation of Wings fans. We also need them to promote their work within the community and this is something the council maybe interested to help with.


To me, they need to work closer with the club for example CAFC: Chiiid goes to summer school via their Community Trust at the end of the week a player or past player goes along presents a medals and a goodie bag of CAFC stuff ie posters etc, - a free ticket offer is given out to the child mum or dad takes them to a game.

Our WUCT could run and probably does runs summer schools ( funds for them) the club gives them the items for the goodies bags including flyers for the game, and a ticket offer for said child parent and child come to game? but to make it work WUC|T and the club need to work together.

The WUCT also has the ideal vehicle to promote the summer schools each year the damson festival is always on before the schools break up, hence why Millwall and CAFC community attend.

And this year if the club and WUCT work together they can take the trophy into the primary schools

This is just one strategy amongst others that could be used if everyone works together.

Yes Moo is right we have come leaps and bounds since the arrival of Paul but he cannot not do it on his own or without a budget. and Hales out point about the signs and bus stop is valid and should be investigated further.

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Im talking about the best part of 40 years. Theyve done nothing.

Please list all the council have done for us since 1977 or all the improvements they have made or grants or donations made.

and.. the bar a priority over health and safety? Give me strength.

thanks in advance.

I dont think community stuff is Pauls job when we have a community scheme/officer who have an office at the ground.

ok we put flyers through letterboxes, but who pays for the printing everything costs money, and are you asking people to give up their time to put these through letterboxes,

Nice to see Wings63 pipe up when people are having pops.

10,000 double sided a5 colour leaflets £150 I would say thats a good deal. Delivering it? As ive said before we have a community scheme who could head it up or ask for volunteers or a company that distributes leaflets could be hired.

If its not worth a few hundred pound to hit every local household, no worries just carry on as normal but then discussions are pointless on how to improve crowds and community ties. For me community isnt having 10 under 18s sides playing.

JgFc wrote:

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No its saying that advertising in newsshoper and goodie bags wont work. We did the newsshopper waste of money.

If you want people to come, then advertise to THEM. Most direct way is through their letterbox.

Once good point made in this thread. Sign posts to Welling United FC, Bexley Council should do that, most other conference clubs have them in the local area. People say oh we arent great with the council.. but they have not done a poxy thing in 40 years for PVR or their residents and its their ground. You could write what they have done on a grain of rice and have space for a joke which would be quite apt.

 

 

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We owe the Council a five figure sum of money, good luck getting them to agree to do anything at the moment.

And re: your point GaryH - PR system, yes agreed, but it generates no financial return. For me the bar is the priority, any money spent on improving that is recovered with improved takings in the coming weeks/months.

Allegedly, we owe lots of money to various people, including the Council. If you really think that with the incumbent management you are going to see changes that will help us, then you are mistaken. Same old subject for years. If it wasn't for the supporters, Welling United would have gone a couple of years ago.  If rumours are true and the club was approached for a takeover by the consortium that has now taken over Ebbsfleet, ask yourself why it wasn't a viable offer. The supporters have kept this club alive and kicking.  If you had a 100 WUSA members on the board, it wouldn't make any difference at all.  The Mushroom effect springs to mind.

If we ever get the chance of a home televised game then that should be the biggest special offer game ever, for seeing a well populated PVR on TV would perhaps be the best publicity of all. Would need a bit of pro-activity here though!

I cannot believe that the bar situation is beyond sorting.

With the bar just get them to pour out pints in plastic cups that can be quickly given out - don't pour out 100s but say 20-30 as it will speed things up and more people will be served and have the bar staff pour out more if needed or to serve other drinks

plus get some attractive women behind the bar