WTF?

Absusulte nonsense.

The stewards got involved saying some supporters couldn't shout killer at the goalkeeper when actually he plead guilty to the offence so they had every right to say something that he admitted to.

Everyone around me clapped off the keeper when he went off injured! We were upset at Kurtis getting a yellow card as we thought he had every right to go for the ball!

My opinion of McCormick is that he decided to get behind the wheel of a car while drunk and killed 2 kids. He then ran away from the scene like a coward. That for me deserves no second chance.

Not sure about the car pack incidents, there were 12 of us walking round the car park trying to find our cabs and we didn't see anything. We actually spoke to a few Plymouth fans who we congratulated and they wished us luck for the season. A good day out and nice, friendly people in the town. Just a shame the result didn't go our way. Maybe next year!

I'm traveling back from Plymouth on the train as I type. 

good atmosphere from the Welling fans especially the second half despite we were losing. As for for McCormick, who cares if he got grief. Short change considering what he did. 

 I was in the car park after - ? 

Fair enough Polo, I still think chanting those things because of what he did is ridiculous, credit to him for being sensible and not reacting.

Many around me were acting like thugs (drunk) and booed their keeper off the field.

I've just been told there were quite a lot of Exeter City fans in the away end today (Plymuffs rivals), might explain it.

I've been going Welling 30 years. No Exeter there. Maybe some 'not the usual away fans' but I saw some ex players, players families, etc

As said happy to discuss name place n time?

 Crown?

'Certainly Exeter fans' According to a plymouth forum?

gospel

what a load of bs..

From the crowd on the coach, Plymouth Argyle made every effort to make us feel welcome, with there gesture of thank you posters and use of the children area which was enjoyed by the children who used this facility - the fan's we met before and after the game plus the stewards were friendly towards us .

After the game we saw no trouble or had no trouble in the car park amongst the 53 supporters on the WUSA coach.

With regard to Exeter fans being in the Welling end, there was nothing to give us the reason to believe that Exeter fan's were amongst us.

With the "Scum" and "Killer" chants some welling fans chanted (which was aimed at the player) and some did not - individual choices.

-- Edited by morph on Sunday 8th of December 2013 12:45:44 AM

As JGFC would say....troll!

Forum account created and first ever posts made after yesterday's game.

If I'm wrong, like everyone else I'm happy to discuss in the bar before next home match?

Like everyone else on here, all I heard were people booing the referee for the decision, clapping the keeper off, then giving McCormick a hard time. I'm sure he's been given a harder time elsewhere. I make no apology for shouting at him - I would be very uncomfortable if Welling employed a player known to be a convicted killer.

I was in the car park afterwards and all I heard were Welling fans congratulating Plymouth fans and wishing them luck for the next round. What were Welling fans doing to provoke?

This is not going to be popular but then again that hasn't stopped me before (George Borg episode being a prime example!)

1) I presume the referee would argue Guthrie was reckless. As far as I saw, and I was probably as close as him with a better angle, he played the ball before the keeper hit him, did not jump in or have his studs raised. I do not see that as a foul or a booking.

2) After that there was a lot of sh*t, directed at the ref and I too was getting frustrated at how long it took to get a stretcher or to manhandle the keeper off, but there were a few (not many) shouts of 'cheat' and 'get off' long after the tirade at the ref had subsided (from the same voice). Not his fault he was injured doing his job but bloody inefficient getting him off the pitch.

3) Onto Mr McCormick. I do not condone what he did and have long thought motoring related offences are dealt with far too leniently compared to other countries but you'd have to ask Mr Nicholson as to the ins and outs of why we run the legal system the way we do. He wasn't honourable in the immediate aftermath but I have never been in that position, so I don't know what I'd do for definite, and I hope none of us ever gets to feel what it is like. The fact is he has done his bird, as far as I am aware, unless you are a convicted paeodphile, there aren't proscribed jobs and the profession he happens to be good at is professional footballer. I'd far rather see him paying his way than sponging because he couldn't do anything else. He was named as the Plymouth reserve keeper at 15:00 yesterday and for 72 minutes no one said an audible word. If you are claiming, on principle, he shouldn't be employed by them, then it would be a lot easier to believe if protestations had been as vocal from the first minute.

4) As principles appear to have been silent for 72 minutes of the game, I presume whoever started it off was adopting the principle of we will do anything to get under the skin of an opponent to try and win, as has been explained to me in the past. Whatever merit that argument has, I can see how it might work if someone's transgression only made the local paper and they might be surprised to be taken to task by someone from miles away. John Sheridan was an excellent player and has managed around the lower divisions for the last decade. Given the profile of this case, might it just not be the first question he asked himself, if the whole stadium starts baying at this bloke, is he going to rise to the challenge or fall apart? By the mere fact he is there I can guess what he reckons the answer is and I'd rather McCormick didn't have extra motivation to turn in a performance.

5) We were going quite well up until the goalkeeper change. Any idea what effect it had on our own team changing the perceived support from positive on our own team to largely negative on theirs (or one person in particular)? It could, quite conceivably, have proved detrimental.

6) I am sure Plymouth had the debate before he re-signed but they decided to do it. There aren't many fans of any clubs who, if they perceive their club is under attack by others, don't defend\support it first and worry about the detail later. And effectively an attack on their club was occuring because of what was transpiring.

7) As stated, you can exercise your right to silence if you don't agree with the vocal contingent. However, opinions in the ground are based on the vocal contingent (home and away) as you can't hear the silence against it terribly well! 

8) Given two youths claiming to be 'Welling supporters' were rumbled in our section within thirty seconds at Halifax I think we would have noticed any Exeter bods in our end.

I enjoyed my day, thought we did at least get off the canvas to give it a decent roll in the second half and am half glad I don't have the prospect of deepest Burslem in the next round. I saw no evidence of anyone agitating afterwards and best of luck to Plymouth in the next round. We need to concentrate on getting off this losing streak.

 

no abuse last season....really?

typing errors due to fat fingers on a small key pad...my bad

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there were non welling fans in our end but ghey were plymouth based students rather than exeter fans.As for mccormack wveryone with a sark past gets same responce from away fans...see suarez and lee hughesto name but two

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 Seems to be working real well putting Suarez off at the moment! If it's done because people enjoy it, why not at least have the honesty to say so and handle being judged accordingly.

In my opinion he wasn't abused because people enjoyed it or wanted to put him off, but because they felt he deserved it. 

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 Which did precisely what for the team we are supposed to be supporting? You could go and do that in the street to his face.

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In my opinion he wasn't abused because people enjoyed it or wanted to put him off, but because they felt he deserved it. 

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 Which did precisely what for the team we are supposed to be supporting? You could go and do that in the street to his face.

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It provides about as much benefit (none whatsoever) as booing the referee or sarcastically applauding the opposition fans, but strangely nobody is moaning about that. 

Good. At least I understand the merit of what is being done now although I would guess that applauding the opposition fans is unlikely to motivate one of their players.

If someone takes issue with the content of what was shouted at McCormick, fair enough, each to their own. Personally I think he deserves all he gets, and I'm sure he expects it.

I suspect he probably does expect it, which in certain respects does not make him the coward of which he is accused. The content is not really the question. I'd just ask how many of those shouting it from the safety of anonymity in the stand would would say it one to one to his face given the opportunity. Although there would be the advantage of knowing he'd be back in the slammer if he reacted.

The volume and type of noise made by football fans depends entirely on the context of what is happening on the pitch. We might, for example, not sing a chant for a particular player until the point where he has a shot, scores a goal, makes a great tackle etc. By the same token we vented our feelings towards McCormick when he came on, and whenever he took a goal kick. For the vast majority of us, the time spent in between such instances (and for the 72 minutes when he wasn't on the pitch) was spent supporting our team to the best of our abilities (with occasional, deserved digs at the referee and home fans).

Not entirely true as the 26th minute of each of our games proves this season.

215 away fans out-sang 4500 Plymouth fans (and their drum).

Yes, it was a good turn out and when the team got going in the second half it did start to sound like a proper match that mattered.

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