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Kick off to be 3.07pm as a tribute to the Hillsborough victims....

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/10713897/Football-to-mark-Hillsborough-anniversary-with-late-kick-off-tribute.html



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Please can we also delay kick off on the anniversary of Bradford. Then Ibrox. Then Heysel. How about when the Titanic sunk?



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Agree with Danson.

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Time for them to get over it really.......How many more years!!!

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By coincidence that's where we were that day.

I think we lost we lost 3-1, but that didn't matter as news started to spread among fans.



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Come on guys. There's no harm in the delay and if it shows some respect and brings some comfort then we should support it.

By the way I think we were at home when it happened as I remember seeing the pictures on TV after walking home.

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It happens too often....now i think that if Liverpool want to recognise it then fine....not the rest of the country!!!.....as Danson said what about the other ones then

Time to give it a rest

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It is right to do it. It didnt just change Liverpool FC, It changed English, and World football. It showed unity within football and again, football is uniting to pay tribute to 96 football fans who lost their lives watching what they loved. It will be 25 years since the tragedy, and this is why this year it is being singled out. The change shouldnt really bother anyone. Its just 7 minutes later? It doesnt really change travel. It doesn't really change anybodies routine for that day MAJORLY. Its 7 minutes later, to pay respect. To show that once again, football will be united



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We were definitely away that day as I can recall the shiver that went down my spine standing behind the goal.  It was 15th April 1989.



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By coincidence that's where we were that day.

I think we lost we lost 3-1, but that didn't matter as news started to spread among fans.


 Yes we were definitely away at Kiddie that day ( I'm sure the result was 2-1 )  , I can remember after the match sitting in the car outside the ground listening to the radio for at least an hour totally stunned by what had happened that afternoon :(



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Time for them to get over it really.......How many more years!!!


JFT96............so glad it was none of your friends or family ...Mr x 



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Please can we also delay kick off on the anniversary of Bradford. Then Ibrox. Then Heysel. How about when the Titanic sunk?


 I totally agree. It's starting to become counter-productive to the memory of the victims, and more of a publicity tool for Liverpool FC....



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Please can we also delay kick off on the anniversary of Bradford. Then Ibrox. Then Heysel. How about when the Titanic sunk?


 I totally agree. It's starting to become counter-productive to the memory of the victims, and more of a publicity tool for Liverpool FC....


I've often wondered why the Bradford fire receives so little attention in comparison to Hillsborough. Both were played out in the full glare of the media, both the result of the stadium deficiencies both leading to terrible loss of life and injuries. Yes, the investigations / cover up into what happens marks Hillsborough out but presumably the silence at football matches is to remember and pay respect to those who died rather than some form of collective admission that the truth should have been told so much sooner. If so the victims of Bradford also deserve to be remembered. Maybe on day a year there should be a reflection on all those who have lost their lives in such disasters. As for Heysel, that seems to have been airbrushed out of our footballing memories, unless Liverpool do something as a club (other than the plaque in the stand). Yes it was abroad and the victims weren't English but maybe, assuming they make the Champions League, they will do something at one of their matches to acknowledge their role in that disaster. I won't hold my breath though.  



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Personally, I feel that all football related tragedies should be recognised. It does seem questionable why certain events are remembered differently to others. As a member of the footballing family, I don't see why there isn't a dedicated rememberance day as suggested above whereby we can reflect on those who have lost their lives.



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X quite disappointed with that comment..

Very disappointed

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Why?

I agree with the above post!!!


It of course was a very sad day BUT it was x number of years ago.......as someone said what about Bradford or Heysel...or Ibrox.......isnt it all the same?

Life goes on....there are disasters there always will be.......

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Bout time they get over it!!!

I think ibrox n Bradford should b remembered n believe that ibrox is in Scotland....

96 people dying is pretty hard to GET OVER IT!!!

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Yes But years ago.....,life moves on.....

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I largely agree with Trigger. IMO all tragedies, whether they be personal or national are worthy of note.  We have a Remembrance Sunday which remembers the dead of all wars,  if it is felt that something should be done within the football community I earnestly believe that a minute should be set aside (opening day of each individual leagues new season?) when all those have passed away within the football community can be remembered.  This could be Hillsborough, Bradford or the person who used to sit or stand beside you during the previous seasons games. Whilst a premature death in an incident like Hillsborough or Bradford is something you may wish to be recognised but so may be the passing of more anonymous (or not so anonymous) fellow supporters who will no longer be standing on the terraces with you.



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Very hard to approach this without inevitably causing offence, but here's my two cents.

Nobody is saying 96 people losing their lives isn't a big deal. 25 years later, it's still a big deal and a life changing moment for the families/friends of those who died. But the Hillsborough disaster does now seem to be more about the justice for the 96 campaign, and fuelling its publicity machine, rather than actually remembering those who lost their lives. When does it end? Will every game across the country in another 25, 50, 100 years, be kicking off 7 minutes later? I'm with Mr X on this one, there has to come a point where the nation, and football, moves on.

PS. I strongly dislike the term "football family". It's just an umbrella term used by people to stick their noses into affairs that don't concern/affect them.

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Very hard to approach this without inevitably causing offence, but here's my two cents.

Nobody is saying 96 people losing their lives isn't a big deal. 25 years later, it's still a big deal and a life changing moment for the families/friends of those who died. But the Hillsborough disaster does now seem to be more about the justice for the 96 campaign, and fuelling its publicity machine, rather than actually remembering those who lost their lives. When does it end? Will every game across the country in another 25, 50, 100 years, be kicking off 7 minutes later? I'm with Mr X on this one, there has to come a point where the nation, and football, moves on.

PS. I strongly dislike the term "football family". It's just an umbrella term used by people to stick their noses into affairs that don't concern/affect them.


 You may have your view on the term 'footballing family' but equally so do I. Many years ago a good friend of mine ended up in intensive care after he was beaten to a pulp because he wore different colours to those that kicked his head in. The support he got from football fans of various teams I think helped pull him and his family through a very difficult time. For me the term is  one I hold dear. It is not an umbrella to stick my nose in.  



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Very hard to approach this without inevitably causing offence, but here's my two cents.

Nobody is saying 96 people losing their lives isn't a big deal. 25 years later, it's still a big deal and a life changing moment for the families/friends of those who died. But the Hillsborough disaster does now seem to be more about the justice for the 96 campaign, and fuelling its publicity machine, rather than actually remembering those who lost their lives. When does it end? Will every game across the country in another 25, 50, 100 years, be kicking off 7 minutes later? I'm with Mr X on this one, there has to come a point where the nation, and football, moves on.

PS. I strongly dislike the term "football family". It's just an umbrella term used by people to stick their noses into affairs that don't concern/affect them.


 You may have your view on the term 'footballing family' but equally so do I. Many years ago a good friend of mine ended up in intensive care after he was beaten to a pulp because he wore different colours to those that kicked his head in. The support he got from football fans of various teams I think helped pull him and his family through a very difficult time. For me the term is  one I hold dear. It is not an umbrella to stick my nose in.  


Fair enough Trigger, I just don't understand how this "football family" term is defined...if it's simply anyone who has involvement in football, then it would sadly have to include the scumbags who hospitalised your friend in the first place.

I've only just seen RonF's comment about a remembrance day for everyone who died at Hillsborough, Bradford, Heysel etc, and completely agree that that's the way to go.



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It'll end with justice though the supporters will never be forgotten. Those supporters were let down by those responsible in authority who have never paid for their criminal negligence and cover up.

Some cold hearted people around. Can't help thinking they'd feel differently if someone they knew or were related to were involved.

We at this Club more than most ought to have some understanding of loss but sadly that doesn't appear to be the case.



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agree with the others on here....time to move on but then to be perfectly honest there is a reason why people call Liverpool Self Pity City and they are always the victims...isn't there a Man Utd song about them always being the victims?



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It'll end with justice though the supporters will never be forgotten. Those supporters were let down by those responsible in authority who have never paid for their criminal negligence and cover up.

Some cold hearted people around. Can't help thinking they'd feel differently if someone they knew or were related to were involved.

We at this Club more than most ought to have some understanding of loss but sadly that doesn't appear to be the case.


how many people have died due to injustices in all aspects of life? Too many to count is the answer and if we had silences for them all every game would start at 5pm every Saturday....sorry harsh but true 



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believe that ibrox is in Scotland....incorrect. If there is a minutes silence on or near to January 1st it is only at Ibrox not every match played in the country that day. Deep sympathies to the 96 that died at Hillsborough Bradford and Heysel. But I for one believe that Liverpool and their supporters want to forget about The Heysel deaths as it was their hooligans fans that caused the deaths by rioting leading to a ban on English clubs in Europe. By all means delay kick off at Anfield and Hillsborough but there is no needfor every match to be delayed. And before you ask Yes I did lose friends at Ibrox

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believe that ibrox is in Scotland....incorrect. If there is a minutes silence on or near to January 1st it is only at Ibrox not every match played in the country that day. Deep sympathies to the 96 that died at Hillsborough Bradford and Heysel. But I for one believe that Liverpool and their supporters want to forget about The Heysel deaths as it was their hooligans fans that caused the deaths by rioting leading to a ban on English clubs in Europe. By all means delay kick off at Anfield and Hillsborough but there is no needfor every match to be delayed. And before you ask Yes I did lose friends at Ibrox


Agreed.

Nobody should go to a football match and not come home afterwards. Hillsborough was a tragic day as was Bradford, Ibrox etc....

I just find it a little strange that Heysel (and the causes of that tragedy) doesn't seem to warrant any coverage..



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Yep...and well put Davy

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Heysel went through due judicial process with those responsible punished (though not the stadium authorities or UEFA for choosing the venue). Hillsborough has not had such a process to the extent where those responsible for negligence and cover up are brought to justice. 



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Ahhhh but are we remembering the process or the victims.

My view remains.....Liverpool can always remember those involved as can Ibrox and Bradford that is 100% correct....Others have shown their respects many times....

In my opinion it is time to move on....

It doesnt mean I am a bad person for thinking so....it means ONE event shouldnt take over otherwise why not Aberfan or Lockerbie too...all in their way horrible but whilst in their own towns are remembered they have understood that it is 'their' rememberance now not the countries

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Just had a moment to look at a few posts on the Liverpool rememberance bits and the reason That Heysel doesn't get a rememberance or acknowlegement is because its at the end of the season 29th May.

 

 

I've edited this from previous as I don't wish to be consider as doing or done something wrong i was merely pointing out that Heysel doesn't recieve the acknowlegement it SHOULD as its after the season unlike the Hillsborough TRAGEDY.

Spills if I've offended then Sorry. I am not cold hearted and Have suffered enough tragedies in my life. 

I was giving a reason to why some Rememberences are held and the dates do come into it.



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Some very cold hearted people on here. Hope it never happens to you or yours.



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It did but I'm not asking anyone else to do anything to remember my friends and those who died in the Ibrox disaster. Every January 1st I think of those who never came home. Do I think of those who died at Hillsborough etc. and grieve? No I don't, I never knew any of them. Do I think the truth should ome out? Yes I do and those responsible for the order to open the gates should be prosecuted and punished. Call me cold hearted if you wish but delaying every match is overkill. If people want to show their feelings then let them break into a minutes applause at 15:07hrs

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It did but I'm not asking anyone else to do anything to remember my friends and those who died in the Ibrox disaster. Every January 1st I think of those who never came home. Do I think of those who died at Hillsborough etc. and grieve? No I don't, I never knew any of them. Do I think the truth should ome out? Yes I do and those responsible for the order to open the gates should be prosecuted and punished. Call me cold hearted if you wish but delaying every match is overkill. If people want to show their feelings then let them break into a minutes applause at 15:07hrs


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Voice of reason my eye. It's the 25th anniversary for God's sake give them a break. 

I know for a fact Munich was remembered on the 50th anniversary and am sure Ibrox and Bradford have been similarly remembered.



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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26778835

What convenient timing for this to come out...I wonder how long the media have sat on it. Again, this "tribute" will unfortunately be less about remembering the victims and more about the JFT96 campaign. However noble and justified a cause it may be, it shouldn't be overshadowing the act of remembrance.

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Spitey wrote:

I know for a fact Munich was remembered on the 50th anniversary and am sure Ibrox and Bradford have been similarly remembered.


 Not at every ground in the country they weren't



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