I'm reading so much negativity on the forum about the team and the criticism of some players has been harsh. Having been to 4 matches so far this season Telford at home and away to Torquay, Halifax and Eastleigh I agree some of the performances have fallen short of what we have come to expect from the team. We had a pretty solid team for the previous couple of seasons with the core of the team remaining much the same. most of these players have moved on and we now have a team of relatively young players who have recently come together and are still finding their feet at this level. i don't know if any players read the forum but if the do I'm sure some of the comments would be quite cutting and have an effect on their confidence. I have criticised some players to other fans but would not and will not put it on the forum. Saturdays performance showed some incouraging signs and I believe Jamie is still not sure what his best team is at the moment. Keep the faith people, with players with the passion of Harry Beautyman showing the way we WILL come good.
Due to work I miss the next three matches, next match for me is Wrexham away, hopefully we will have secured our first win by then.
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Apart from not giving up, I saw little to be encouraged about on the pitch on Saturday. However, there may be at least 3 teams that are worse than us come the end of the season, because we can only improve. Think if we stay up this year we could go on and consolidate.
First half Monday was better but we still switched off straight after half time and consequently then were chasing the game, which is not easy if most of the team are still trying to learn the pattern of play and you don't possess at least one clinical finisher.
I think we may be beggining to see the first manifestations of more clubs spending only what they can afford. There appear to be about a third of the league having a tough time getting more than one win (if any) and a few right pastings being handed out which suggests a greater disparity between those spending (who have the money) and those that don't.
Whilst we would argue that it has been quite a tough start, if we can start picking up odd points against the top third sides, we hopefully will not be going into the mini relegation league encounters under as much pressure.
I agree not very good of me to name people on the forum, which i know is not the best way to go around things, like Davy im not sure if any of the players read the forum or not, but away to Halifax i heard people shouting at the top of there voice you're f*ck*ng s*it players name, which im sure if I was a player this would effect me more than the off chance of reading the forum. I actually do feel that the first 30 minutes on Monday were encouraging, the first signs that the team are starting to gell & hopefully start to put a few results together, hopefully starting Saturday.
No more naming names from me on here
We're sticking to a budget whilst other clubs are massively overspending. I'm still fairly sure that one or two clubs will suffer the same gate as Hereford and Salisbury come the end of the season.
As I've previously said I believe the performance are improving. As long as the lads keep training hard, I'm sure we'll start getting results.
I did not go yesterday so cannot comment on that game, however for me dare I say it a draw against Woking was a good result.
In my view Woking are a very good side this year and it was all hands to the pump defending from the players and be it from losing possession via a free kick which they went on to score from -we would of probably held out for the victory.
Woking won 6-0 yesterday - presumably because their opposition did not defend as well as we did against them
We have lost some good quality players and as long as players we have got continue to work hard on their individual performance levels in training = results will soon follow.
Jamie and his coaching team know what they are doing and what they want to do, and are working within the confines of their budget, we just need to let them get on with the job in hand and get behind the team.
It is to early in the season to say we are relegation candidates just yet, but we could say that we have not had a good month, who knows we could get a win on Saturday and that sparks us to have really good September.
Sorry, but to do well in this league you need money - lots of it - and big crowds (of which we have neither). To survive in this league, at least for a second season, you need money, experienced players and reasonable crowds (we have a few experienced players, not much money and it would almost breach the Trades Descriptions Act to call our attendances, so far, crowds). We face lots of full-time, well-minted clubs and clubs who think they are well-minted until a benefactor pulls the plug. We also face at least two clubs from the Football League who, each year, are given an unfair advantage with parachute payments.
What we do have is Jamie Day. And, if miracles can be worked, it will be by Jamie using all his guile and contacts. I always wonder how dangerous our club could be with Jamie, money and crowds.
Sorry, but to do well in this league you need money - lots of it - and big crowds (of which we have neither). To survive in this league, at least for a second season, you need money, experienced players and reasonable crowds (we have a few experienced players, not much money and it would almost breach the Trades Descriptions Act to call our attendances, so far, crowds). We face lots of full-time, well-minted clubs and clubs who think they are well-minted until a benefactor pulls the plug. We also face at least two clubs from the Football League who, each year, are given an unfair advantage with parachute payments.
So Its Got nothing to do with scoring more goals than the other team !!!!!
Sorry, but to do well in this league you need money - lots of it - and big crowds (of which we have neither). To survive in this league, at least for a second season, you need money, experienced players and reasonable crowds (we have a few experienced players, not much money and it would almost breach the Trades Descriptions Act to call our attendances, so far, crowds). We face lots of full-time, well-minted clubs and clubs who think they are well-minted until a benefactor pulls the plug. We also face at least two clubs from the Football League who, each year, are given an unfair advantage with parachute payments.
So Its Got nothing to do with scoring more goals than the other team !!!!!
I think the answer, dear Ron, was given by Eastleigh yesterday. Dominated by the Wings for half an hour or so, then two goals are scored by a bloke who used to score regularly for Oxford United - and he must be on a fair wack (which is where money comes in). Ask Jamie, do you think he would like some dosh to buy an experienced striker who can convert chances?
So therefore IT IS about putting your chances away.
You can have all the possession in a game irrespective of who earns the most money so long as you score more than the other team.
Otherwise If a 16 year old youth team player comes on (Earning £20 a game) a scores the winning goal for the team who have hardly touched the ball does it get chalked off because the experienced FULL TIME goalie earns more ...!!!!!! NO NO NO (Sorry for the sarcasm - but its better than the condescending "DEAR")
Football will always be judged on how many goals you score, you can only beat what is infront of you.
You can pay as much money as you like for a player but that doesn't make him better its down to the right player fitting the right system the manager wants to play.
example Fernando Torres - Liverpool scores a lot at Chelsea doesn't score as much as its not the same system he's used to.
If we went on the notion of players salaries grading a players goal scoring ability - Frank Lampard who scored 6 should be on the same wage as Nathan Dyer (Swansea) or another way of looking at it is Dyer should be on equal Lampards wage.
As i say you do well in leagues by winning games and by doing that you score more goals than the opposition.
"Dear" Ron
-- Edited by Ron Manager on Tuesday 26th of August 2014 06:48:34 PM
Exactly, but you need people to put the chances away. In our league, you either have the money to get somebody who is likely (and, I mean, likely) to put those chances away at a more consistent rate, or you have to go with promising youngsters who, with some coaching, and, after a number of matches COULD put those chances away. Sorry if I offended you, it was not intentional.
You get what you pay for i.e. £80 million for 254 goals in 250 games for Real Madrid in Ronaldo's case. It is why Barcelona were prepared to pay £75 million for a flawed character in Suarez because he scores. The fact Torres hasn't scored much for Chelsea doesn't change his record at Liverpool which partially set the fee.
If we unearthed a guy from the kids who could score 20 goals a season in this league, there is a 99% chance money would talk again and he wouldn't be here long. People who score regularly command good money so if you have more money you can get two of them to cover when one is injured/off form. That is why Ross is now at Luton, not PVR.
Those that don't have the cash have to compensate in other ways...
Reality check: every team in the land can make a valid case on what is needed to do well in their respective league's = We are successful provisional club (with part time players) who have earned the right to compete at a national level.
Along with other teams that have risen through the ranks are former league clubs that have fallen from grace for whatever reason and have struggled to get back up straight away.
Years ago teams had to be elected into the the old division 4 and normally the former league teams would have got a stay of execution and stayed up, this system was abolished and we have now over time ended up with a division made up of full timers and part time merging together and what we are witnessing with the current squad is the reality of this situation.
Last year we had the momentum and players who were champions, this season those players have moved on or back to the Conference South and with our limited budget we have to soldier on and try and hang on in there as long and best we can.
I am sure Jamie as any manager would - jump at the chance of spending more money but we do not have it to give to him and currently from the outside looking in - we have to try and pay of a debt and run a club with an average crowd of 600.
Yes, thank you for the history of non-league football Morph, but it doesn't change anything anyone has said above.
Russ, you are right. On the field, we have limitations understandable due to budget, doesn't help when the budget is limited due to income streams and profit linked to it being outsourced.
