Yes I think you are right a managerial change is needed, otherwise we are down.I would like to think otherwise but with no threat up front and a lack of experienced players on the pitch at this level we stand no chance of changing games, I know we have no money but we could do a lot better than this.
The harsh reality is we're skint and can't afford to pay off the management team. We can't even afford to bring in players on loan. If anything, if the home attendances stay as low as they've been we'll possibly be letting players go, not vice versa.
If any money does become available we should probably add to the coaching staff (as others have previously suggested), rather than pay off and let go the current management/coaching team and then bringing in an outside rookie who knows nothing about the club at all.
To those calling for the management to be sacked (despite being just ONE point from safety), please tell us who we're going to bring in for free who's going to get more out of a team with an average age of 21 at this level.
The lads have got the potential to keep us in this league, they've just got to keep training hard. We're not getting müllered 4-0 every game, it's just by the odd goal. So let's not cut our nose to spite our face by unnecessarily knocking the lads' confidence (they do read this forum), calling for the management team to be sacked and financially ruining the club.
That was one of the worst performances I have seen. 2 shots, neither which I can remember. Defensively I don't think we are too bad, just we lack any creativity. I can't fault Porters work rate but he needs help.
I have watched Welling regularly over the last 4 years and it pains me to see a team that used to play such good football resort to such poor long hopeful punts up the field. We miss Gallagher / Healy who can hold onto the ball in middle of the park.Corne is good but very small and inexperienced. It's showing we lack that figure in the team.
Very frustrating evening, we had a keeper who couldn't keep the ball on the pitch, a striker who can't jump, run, pass or shoot and no threat at all of scoring a goal.
Wellard summed it up when his free kick was actually a short pass to the Aldershot wall...that very nearly led to a goal. His non tracking back when even Stevie Wonder could have seen the Aldershot player making a run meant Barney had to bring him down and get a 2nd yellow.
We could have played until christmas and not scored. Huge credit to Ben Jefford, Sam Corne and George Porter who ran their wotsits off again....if only the same effort could be put in by a few more players and we would be a better team. Huge changes are needed, whether it be players or other staff..... 1 win in 10 games i'm afraid is not good enough, we have been desperate for a striker since pre-season, most fans could see it. So why has this not been addressed. I would rather stick a kid from the youth team up front who at least will put a shift in than some of the other options we have...it can't be any worse.
I'm not normally this negative but enough of all the talk about great training sessions or good performances. It's points that will keep us up and i'd rather play ugly and win then play well and lose.
With the exception of Macclesfield, tonight was the worst performance of the season and something has to be done to change this run of results asap.
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Managerial change ?? Are you nuts ??.....we had enough of that last season......takes months to calm things down and lets not forget Fazza has Wings in his blood...we're lacking in a few areas-defence is not one of these.....didn't see or hear tonight.....but we lost by one deflected goal by the sounds of it.....the mgt team need to take some action...accepted.... but baby and bathwater this isn't IMO.....keep positive.....2 good loanees......and we climb......COYW
We can't afford loan players...Harry Lee, Tom King and the other option they are looking at on loan???
The lads need to keep training well? We are always told they are training very well.
Add to the coaching staff... sod that, get a bloody striker in!
I'm not trying to knock most people's confidence. There is a very good group of players there but we badly badly need a half decent striker, we would have got points from Macclesfield, Braintree, and won against Woking, Tranmere and Torquay with one too.
Wake up mate.
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Two short term loans and one of them we're not playing.
I'm not saying we HAVE to add to the management team. I was saying it would make more financial sense adding to the management team than spending more than that paying off the current management team and then paying to get someone else in.
When you wake up in the morning, hopefully you'll have regained a better perspective of things when the negative effects of standing in the cold for 90+ have worn off somewhat.
I have a great perspective cheers, i've seen every game this season which you have not. Short term/long term?? You said we can't afford to bring players in on loan...we can and we have.
I'm not saying we should get rid of the current management team, Loui is a club legend after many seasons as a player and keeping us up last year. But if things continue the way they are what do you do?? Wait until christmas when we have just 5 points? We badly need a striker and changes should have been made weeks ago to address this
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No, people suggesting management changes are not nuts. Tonight was awful. We aren't getting thumped by teams no, because they don't need to be scoring more than one or two, they can then coast through the final 20 minutes knowing we offer nothing going forward. Aldershot are not a good side, neither were Macclesfield, or Torquay, we got nothing from any of those games.
Once again tonight the tactics and substitutions were bizarre. What was worse was that no positive change to things were attempted, other than chucking a big lump up top and hoping for the best.
We played 6 minutes between Williams going off and Nortei coming on with no right sided defender, and just Wellard advanced, and were torn apart down that side before someone thought to put Nortei on.
We cannot play well every week, and when we play badly we will lose, but we have played well and lost as well. Where are the wins going to come from, and when?
Aldershot on radio said we were the worst side we have seen.
We have now won just 4 of our last 30 games, and on top of that we arent playing good football either.
We are small part-time club in a largely full-time league, I accept we will not win every game and not play well in every game, but we should be delivering more than we have recently.
The budget is currently the highest it has ever been, and the decision on where and who it was spent on was made by this "management team". We have a young squad yes, but lets bear in mind that the management team signed all of the players, they havent inherited other peoples players. They have also, irrespective of age, put several players not up to it in terms of quality on to contracts, some well paid, where they have now limited their options on making changes to personel.
They've put someone on contract and named him captain, who is not good enough and as a result now make themselves look daft benching him every week.
Irrespective of ability, money, etc, etc, I expect us to give 100% and to use what we do have, no matter how good or bad they are, in the right positions and to try to be positive and show some kind of passion and desire. Not everyone is doing that, even from the bench. I see other dugouts and managers ranting, raving, shouting tactical advice, organising ... I see ours doing little by comparison.
For me too manay mistakes have been made and anyone in a position of authority is ultimately responsible for the people underneath them if they are not performing.
Faz is on thin ice, and he knows it. Sounds harsh, but under Brown performances and results were poor, I don't see much difference now, other than Faz is a popular, long standing club man, but there can't be a place for sentiment.
Wingnut made some good points the other day, and the same points can be echoed again re: tonight. Its predictable, and if that is obvious to me and others, its obvious to the oppostion as well. Making the same mistakes with the same people week after week will get the same result.
As the saying goes, insanity is making the same mistakes and expecting different results. Changes are needed, and for me, that needs to be at least three players, at least, out urgently, and fresh faces in. If the management cannot, or will not, do that, then they should be shown the door.
I would echo, Faz is a legend for the club, and a brilliant bloke. The times I have spoken to Matt Mc as well he appears well spoken and knowledgeable. However, I don't want a nice guy as manager, I want someone that delivers results. I want that to be Faz of course, but if it isnt, as Polo says, something must change.
Tough decisions need making asap before we are adrift and the options to get loan players disappear as people wont want to sign for a club in the s**t.
I havent seen our management team dish out one bollocking yet this season on camera or in written quotes, its about time they did.
I'm really not sure on what's best to do. Obviously this winless run has to be halted. Everyone has to admit that we've not played badly in most games but having said that we were absolutely she in the second half tonight. The management team need to sit down be totally honest with themselves and realise their mistakes. Then somehow work out a way of shifting the players not up to it Out. We all know who they are. There is a strong feeling of unrest from the loyal fans now. Things need to get better fast or that unrest will start to grow and the pathetic home gates will drop down below the 500 mark. All those players are worthy of playing at PVR unfortunately more than one or two should be wearing Erith & B colours.
-- Edited by Riverstown on Wednesday 16th of September 2015 01:29:31 AM
If you took the best players out of both sides tonight you might make a team good enough to finish mid table. We currently offer flat zero going forward despite Porter's effort and tonight the defence had lost confidence in the keeper by the end. There are about six players I would keep if I had the choice, about another four where an experienced manager could probably mask their deficiencies, the rest are above their station.
Last year's start was worrying but after about four or five games you could identify a trend of improvement. The only one I could identify at the moment is we are probably getting more ineffectual. On what I have seen this season, we need another 44 points from home games because we don't look like getting any away (we were murdered 1-0 by Forest Green and Wrexham before anyone quotes these games back).
Our only consolation at this stage is that there are several other **** sides in this league. We have to sort it out before they do. How? Currently I'm not paid to do that although I do have some thoughts I will save for the time being.
As Welling are only in their third season back in the fifth tier, and given the rate of inflation with football wages, isn't it likely that as long as the club are competing in the National League that the wage will be continue to be at all time high?
Half the league is professional now. Wage bill comparisons to twenty five years ago can't really mean anything, this season can only really be compared to the previous two in those terms. Even then, the way football wages escalate, the latest season is always likely to be the highest. Clubs seem to have to pay more to stand still (or even not go backwards too far).
Also seems a bit harsh to talk about the 4 wins in 30 games, when that is including Jody Brown and Glenn Little's results. The current management team have been in charge for 21 games. The first eleven have to be deemed a big success - Welling turned around a run of one point in nine games and stayed up against all expectation. At Barnet with a month of the season to go fans were even singing 'we're going down with the Dartford', that's how hopeless things looked. Fazakerley, McEntegart and Barnes can only come out of those first eleven games with huge credit. So, if you were being critical, it's one win in the last ten that counts now.
Being realistic, is having three teams below Welling in the table with another team a point above underachieving? I was only expecting a relegation scrap. All things considered a National League relegation scrap doesn't seem like a failure at all.
If I was expecting that somebody could come in and have the team consistently higher up the table, I might be being a bit unreasonable. I know Day did. He was also very very successful at Welling, was one of the longest serving managers in the country by the time he left and didn't have to learn his trade in league where his team would always be one of the favourites to go down.
There are a couple of big home games coming up at the end of this month. I don't know if they do read this forum or not, but good luck to Loui and the boys in those and the rest of the season.
Like I said earlier in this thread we either make a change now or accept relegation.
Clearly quite a few on here would happily accept relegation.
Not me.
One win in ten is still not good enough. We have nt even been unlucky either.
Unless changes are made I'll be keeping my £15 in my pocket next Tuesday.
*Its a shame to speak about Faz like this who has been a great player for us over the years, a joy to watch. However a club with a very tight budget, at the ugly end of the Confwrench National is no place for a complete rookie management team to learn their craft.
-- Edited by Chris on Wednesday 16th of September 2015 07:43:43 AM
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Well after a good nights sleep my views are still the same.
I don't want the management team to go....if we can keep the group of players and management team for a couple of seasons then imagine how good that young team would be.
However to sound like a broken record! We need to get a striker in asap, a half decent one who would have got us wins in 2 or 3 of the last 6 games, which is not unreasonable considering the chances we had, means we would be easily mid table and not so concerned after last night's defeat.
Tough game Saturday, but Gateshead will be favorites to win and we just need to go out there and have a go at them.
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I just don't see it changing soon and losing Gallagher and Healy is really starting to show.We would all love them to succeed but how long will it take them to see that a cup le need to move on and a proven goalscorer is required. Bodies has scored 5 already, a player like him would do. Corne, Porter,Vidal, and Lokko,also Lee have held it together, but no lead striker or a goalie is a disaster
I just don't see it changing soon and losing Gallagher and Healy is really starting to show.We would all love them to succeed but how long will it take them to see that a cup le need to move on and a proven goalscorer is required. Bodies has scored 5 already, a player like him would do. Corne, Porter,Vidal, and Lokko,also Lee have held it together, but no lead striker or a goalie is a disaster
The problem with Gallagher was he spent more time suspended last year than actually on the pitch
As I see it we'll never start winning until we can start scoring some goals, and more goals than we are conceding. I don't believe that the return of KSA from injury will suddenly transform the strike force so we have to bring in someone on loan. I do believe the defence, and mid-field could perform up to the standard of a team in mid-table, but without knocking the goals in we will continue to loose.
