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Terrible terrible game, killed the game ourselves with 2 stupid substitutions that even MG was confused by. 4 games now that I can't see us getting anything from if nothing changes, players in the bar 15mins after the whistle collecting pay packets, should of been in dressing room still getting a bollocking.

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Terrible terrible game, killed the game ourselves with 2 stupid substitutions that even MG was confused by. 4 games now that I can't see us getting anything from if nothing changes, players in the bar 15mins after the whistle collecting pay packets, should of been in dressing room still getting a bollocking their P45s.


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Terrible terrible game, killed the game ourselves with 2 stupid substitutions that even MG was confused by. 4 games now that I can't see us getting anything from if nothing changes, players in the bar 15mins after the whistle collecting pay packets, should of been in dressing room still getting a bollocking their P45s.


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Decent first half. Slabber went off with what seemed a minimal amount of contact and Cathline came on who caused their defence problems and hit the bar with a header. All over them first half.

Then came the half time team talk/motivational speech/drugging/chill out time...

Different side 2nd half, lack of ideas. Not helped by the dug out making our last 2 subs 10 minutes after half time. We looked so different 2nd half. Nothing seemed to flow, poor touches. The Whitehawk goal was scored by a free kick where 4 or 5 of us said this is going in as we could see the wall was in the wrong place. Why can't the players on the pitch see the same?

4 tough games coming up. Probably 0 points as we can't see a goal coming from anywhere. The relegation battle is well and truly on.

Why were our players in the bar 20 minutes after the final whistle? Day and Ashby would have been tearing the team a new one after that performance and our players were showered, changed and chasing after their pay packets like a tramp on chips.


Thanks to Ali Fuseini for applauding the away fans. Every other player and coaching staff went straight down the tunnel. Not difficult to at least acknowledge those who have sung and supported the team. I will excuse Danny Waldren who seemes to be more disgusted with the performance of his team.mates than the fans were. Disgraceful.



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Terrible terrible game, killed the game ourselves with 2 stupid substitutions that even MG was confused by. 4 games now that I can't see us getting anything from if nothing changes, players in the bar 15mins after the whistle collecting pay packets, should of been in dressing room still getting a bollocking.


 I agree, on current results we'll get zero points from the next 3 or 4 games which will drop us down, again. Games are then beginning to run out for a recovery.

but not quite squeaky bum time yet?

 



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I was there today. Apart from the first half we didn't show up in the second. The highlight was most drunk Welling fan I've seen at an away game. 

Jordan Brown was suberb first half. Not sure why he hang back 2nd as he was getting decent balls over. 

Once again beaten by lesser teams yet play ok against top teams. 



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One word for it Awful (especially the 2nd half). I may be alone in this view but I do not believe that the four new arrivals have added anything to the team. Cannot see where the next goal is coming from, except from long punts outside of the penalty area, which is not going to win many games.

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That was woeful. Can't remember a shot on target in the second half . What's worse is the players and harry wheeler in the bar after collecting their wages seem happily and then disappearing straight away without any regard to the ****e they just served up.


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Honeymoon over for Tristan and Harry, not that we got any action, .more like ditched at the alter!!!

It's night and day (get it) in the performances from when we had a proper manager to what we have now.

A lot of people think we can't go down now, let's see what everyone is saying in 3/4 weeks time.

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Well as I said in a post a couple of weeks ago. This has to be the most depressing season for a long time. Let's face it those points and the mini run we had when JD was in charge is whats kept us out of the drop zone. It won't be long before we are back in the ****e. We've had several winnable games lately. WSM,Stortford,Wealdstone,Dartford and Whitehawk. Only Dartford were top half when those fixtures began. We've managed 3 fecking points from those games. We didn't even deserve the point against Stortford. If we hadn't of got lucky and had Adam Coombes for those few months we would of been propping the whole bloody division by now. I know I'm not the only one who's feeling this way. There are many faces that were regular fans home and away who we don't see anymore. Mr MG had better have some very positive and encouraging things to say about the on and off field situation when he attends the WUSA meeting next week.

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Well as I said in a post a couple of weeks ago. This has to be the most depressing season for a long time. Let's face it those points and the mini run we had when JD was in charge is whats kept us out of the drop zone. It won't be long before we are back in the ****e. We've had several winnable games lately. WSM,Stortford,Wealdstone,Dartford and Whitehawk. Only Dartford were top half when those fixtures began. We've managed 3 fecking points from those games. We didn't even deserve the point against Stortford. If we hadn't of got lucky and had Adam Coombes for those few months we would of been propping the whole bloody division by now. I know I'm not the only one who's feeling this way. There are many faces that were regular fans home and away who we don't see anymore. Mr MG had better have some very positive and encouraging things to say about the on and off field situation when he attends the WUSA meeting next week.


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Well as I said in a post a couple of weeks ago. This has to be the most depressing season for a long time. Let's face it those points and the mini run we had when JD was in charge is whats kept us out of the drop zone. It won't be long before we are back in the ****e. We've had several winnable games lately. WSM,Stortford,Wealdstone,Dartford and Whitehawk. Only Dartford were top half when those fixtures began. We've managed 3 fecking points from those games. We didn't even deserve the point against Stortford. If we hadn't of got lucky and had Adam Coombes for those few months we would of been propping the whole bloody division by now. I know I'm not the only one who's feeling this way. There are many faces that were regular fans home and away who we don't see anymore. Mr MG had better have some very positive and encouraging things to say about the on and off field situation when he attends the WUSA meeting next week.


 It's not a WUSA meeting, its an open meeting for all supporters. WUSA don't have meetings. 



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I'm no fan of our caretaker managers but I don't hold them responsible for the ****e we are seeing. Neither asked for or wanted the mangers job. Like many Welling United fans I suspect the strings are being pulled from someone higher up the food chain. The powers that be should of found a decent proper manager as soon as JD buggered off. One who the players respected and even feared. These two are just too matey.
On Tuesday we were equal with Dartford. I suspect their players were read the riot act by Tony Burman. Our lot were probably given the freedom of Welling for managing a 0-0 draw. I'm too pissed off to go on. You get the jist.

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Depressing. I am now highly selective in the matches I attend, and rarely attend away games these days. It seems to me that the players cannot, or are too exhausted, to put in two decent performances in a week - ie Tuesdays and Saturdays.  The same players who seem not to have played well in the second half at Whitehawk (I was not there) were those who pulled up tree stumps in an energetic and committed performance against Dartford. Frankly, I am puzzled in the extreme as to why our two on-loan wingers were substituted so early in the second period - an action which some say had a negative impact on the rest of the half.

If a new manager is to be appointed, would it not be an idea to install him as soon as possible this season?



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If a new manager is to be appointed, would it not be an idea to install him as soon as possible this season?


 As the current duo of "interim managers" do not want / are not good enough for the permanent managers role it's essential that any new guy brought in arrives well before the end of the season so that he can assess who stays & who goes. We have seen some good football from the team, not very often perhaps, so a complete change of personnel may not be needed. Just hope quite enquiries are being made now as to who might be able / interested in coming to PVRd.



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Despite the result, the many pubs of Brighton along with the quirky setting of Whitehawks ground made yesterday a fun day out.

In the first half we were the better team although they had the better chance-  with a great clearance off the line by Jordan Brown denying them a goal . But in truth both sides were poor.

In the second half Whitehawk improved dramatically as their home crowd got behind them. They sensed we had no pace going forward and pushed on for the win. 

Having seen the replay for the winning free-kick I think its quite a harsh foul to give against Hayles although maybe he was n't the ideal man to be marking their (much taller) target man. I'm not sure about the positioning of our wall except to say our 10 yards seemed far more generous than the 10 afforded to us from Whitehawk in the first half from a similar position.

So that's now 3 games without Coombes and 3 games without a goal. 

Coombes was always going to be a tough replacement but Nanetti is proving just so. Whitehawk 3-5-2 formation should have made it easy for our wingers to get crosses in behind them. But they produced nothing. I've never liked 'inverse' wingers with players on the opposite wing to their natural foot, and yesterday, where we had two big target men up front was the most typical example of why it does n't work. Karaginanis was always looking to cut in from the right wing on to his left. Too predictable. Then we put on Dan Walker and after 5 mins on his natural right side we put him on the left for the remaining 30. Same result. I was n't at the Wealdstone game but in the two games I've seen Murrel-Williamson he's been next to useless. I'd rather we had Joey Taylor or Archie Johnson. As for Harry Crawford to me he looks overweight and unfit and he clearly is not a winger. But he does have a great pass and I'd like to see him start behind Thalassitis on Tuesday.  

 

A very honest interview with Tristian Lewis where he admits they messed up in dropping Nanetti for being late as today two senior players did the same but equal punishment could not be delt out. Well done to him for admitting they got it wrong. I wonder whether that played a part in Nanetti leaving?  Lewis also mentions that maybe there needs to be a change in the coaching set-up immediately. Perhaps MG needs to become manager again until the end of the season? Although I would favor a thorough interview process followed by the appointment of an experienced manager I don't think that's likely to happen.

A good response is required on Tuesday and next Saturday at PVR.

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I too had a good day out but again spoilt (not for the first time) with what we had to endure between 3 and 5 o'clock. Thanks to the beer thrower for at least giving us some entertainment in the second half!

We started 4-4-2 and probably just about edged the first half of two pretty poor sides. However the best crosses were being provided by our left back and neither of our two on loan wingers. if you are going to play with two big strikers up front then you have to at least get a decent supply into them. Not quite sure how Slabber got injured but that meant that we finished the half with four forward players who weren't even at the club at the beginning of February....

There are lots of words to describe the second half "performance" but I have decided on pathetic. Whitehawk had clearly been given the proverbial kick up the back side at half time and at least showed they were up for the fight while it appeared that our lot had had a 15 minute kip and hadn't yet woken up again. Two early changes made which was proactive rather than reactive and I have no problem with that. However Crawford is not a wide player in a million years and Walker, who had been very effective wide right against D******, was switched to the left after barely five minutes?! We then get told after the game that the supply to the forwards was not good enough! Why do we persist with 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 if it is not working. I know Hatton was unavailable yesterday but why haven't we tried 3 central midfielders or 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 at some point during the season?? They only thing we did differently yesterday was push a centre half up front and punt aimless balls forward which hadn't really worked that well for the previous 80 odd minutes. Not once did we get close to their number 7 who sat in front of the back four and had the freedom of Sussex most of the time he got the ball. What were the deadly duo doing whilst this was happening......the answer is sheltering from the heavy rain/hail that arrived in the second half. The wallies with no brollies....

Again we are told in the post match interview that we nearly got this player and we thought we were getting that player blah blah blah but what we actually got are players that the current management team have worked with before. Two centre forwards that must have played for every club in this division between them by now. Yes Coombes has gone and yes that was always going to be a massive void to fill but at least in the previous two games we created chances and it was down to poor finishing and excellent goalkeeping that we didn't score. We could still be out there at Whitehawk now and we wouldn't have scored. We have brought in a wide player loaned out by Maidstone (who are in a relegation dogfight) and a wide player from a level below whose team are still in the FA Trophy and pushing for the play offs - why would these clubs be releasing players at a crucial stage of their seasons?? We are also told that they made their views clear to the players after the final whistle - well that must have been the quickest "chat" ever as they were all showered, changed and in the bar barely fifteen minutes after the final whistle. If they had only showed that speed and effort during the ninety minutes...

Now we embark on a run of five games including four of the top six and the current top two away from home. We have just lost to a team that had won one league game in the previous four months (and that was against Margate who couldn't win a raffle if they had the only ticket at the moment) We have used over 50 players this season as we did in the bad old days of Paul Parker. Of those 50+ I think we may still be in single figures as to how many have actually made a positive contribution this season.

A complete and utter shambles.

 



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If someone is being lined up as manager then it may be that they are already in employment as a manager of another club so they may not be able to come in before the end of the season.


Presumably we've checked he's happy to manage in the Ryman League.



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Well as I said in a post a couple of weeks ago. This has to be the most depressing season for a long time. Let's face it those points and the mini run we had when JD was in charge is whats kept us out of the drop zone. It won't be long before we are back in the ****e. We've had several winnable games lately. WSM,Stortford,Wealdstone,Dartford and Whitehawk. Only Dartford were top half when those fixtures began. We've managed 3 fecking points from those games. We didn't even deserve the point against Stortford. If we hadn't of got lucky and had Adam Coombes for those few months we would of been propping the whole bloody division by now. I know I'm not the only one who's feeling this way. There are many faces that were regular fans home and away who we don't see anymore. Mr MG had better have some very positive and encouraging things to say about the on and off field situation when he attends the WUSA meeting next week.


 12 months is not a long time lol 


I'd take last season over this any day of the week. At least we were struggling in a (half) decent league then. Compare that to the turd fest that is this season's Conference South.



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