Yeah...superb job everyone..also watched on my tv and as Mark D said it was disappointing not to see bookshelves but plenty of beer. It will be interesting to see what is possible player/budget wise when we go again and MG saying it will need input of funds is slightly worrying but the news about the ground sounds optimistic
A very well done to Matt and Dean, the other contributors, and I am sure the behind the scenes people uncredited, for an enjoyable presentation evening when many clubs nationwide have been unable to do them either in person, or at all, even by web geekery, and to Gary Leman for his continual previously unrewarded efforts - I don't know why you bother frankly.
As someone not attending games any longer, it was good to witness the goals, and hear the thoughts of the manager, who since coming in, has undoubtedly done a fine job. Pats on backs all round. That is what Welling United was, is and should be, about.
However, as a fan of 35 years I must ask the same questions as usual, that have festered for 4-5 years and make no apology for doing so, and seem to get churned up time and again without straight answers, or the answers given verbally, ever materialising in the form of actions, of the illustrious owner Mr MG ...
Exact quote from his video, incorporating the classic "**** sandwich" of surrounding a negative with two positives ...
" ... find a budget that allows Brad to work his magic as he did for those few games before our season came to an abrupt end. The good news is, that during this period we've been able to stabilise the club financially to ensure it's safety, but the reality is, we are unlikely to be able to provide a football budget for next season without new investment from outside investors or sponsors. However, on a positive note, I'm finally ready to submit a pre-application for our planning proposals for new stadium facilities following years of discussions with the local Council ..."
So, it would seem to me, and these are based on exact quotes from one day ago by the owner, not assumption or conjecture, and from a clearly prepared, and read on auto-queue or similar, statement, so therefore no accidental errors in wording ...
"We are looking at a budget of not much, if anything, without outside income" ... and who would do that without some sort of return, which we are unlikely to be able to offer, in either profit, or shares, or similar. Why are you even insinuating, no budget at all?
We're told its good news that we've been able to stabilise the club during this period ... so it was unstable before? and it's only now been stabilised due to furlough, Government and Council support, as well as payments from the Premier League and being able to release all non-contract players - and we still owe the Council and previous owners a large sum of money.
"We are unlikely to be able to provide a football budget for next season without new investment or sponsors." Not a reduced budget, or a poor budget ... no budget. His words. Word for word. So where will the income over the gate go? Covering his debts?
"I'm finally ready to submit a pre-application for our planning proposals ..." A "pre-application", are you having a laugh? after 4-5 years? A pre-application, it's taken 4-5 years to do a pre-applicaiton, how long until the full application? 20 years? and what specific application is it this time - it's changed about ten times hasn't it? Empty words ... years to act on this, no results. The trust has entirely gone, not that it was, or should have been, there before. Clutching at straws to an absolutely embarrassing level. Try something, doesn't work, try something else, doesn't work, keep guessing, hope to get lucky.
And on the last point, either an outright lie, again, a "throw enough **** at the wall and something will stick" approach, or naivety of a staggering level of incompetence. I don't know which, and neither do I care really, as all I know is that this man is not in it for Welling United, or the fans, but for himself.
Also, if selling the club, as he has suggested, will the new owners be made aware of the grants and loans you've taken out during Covid, before or after their acquisition? Will the Hobbins get their long overdue money, or will this be delayed further, and handed over to someone else to sort out your mess? Sorry to be so brutal, but the Palace and Bromley history of similar results sort of sets a precedent I find it hard to look beyond.
So wise up people. Nothing has changed from 4-5 years ago. For those that know me personally, as opposed to reading online or hearing on the grapevine, to those that actually talk to me before, now or in the future, and as someone who runs a club, and has moved a long way from nothing to something quickly, please open your eyes. It's not easy too do, but it's not impossible either, but all the time you are run by an absolute chancer with nothing than himself as the priority, then you're ****ed.
The ends by thanking people and hoping people get what they deserve - I hope he does too.
Killed two clubs already - don't let him kill yours.
#MGOut - again. Copy and paste, put out again next time.
All of the above.
Enjoyed the presentation so thanks to those who made it happen.
The few minutes of nonsense could of been cut out but it is what it is.
Let's try get it straight, when MG left bromley he was paid a very tidy sum of money, something i bet they regretted soon after when they opened the draw marked do not open and unpaid bills came out like a scene from Mary Poppins.
Now I'm guessing that money was used for purchase of and finance of the club for a couple of years but when it went we started getting investors, some of those investors are still owed money, Serco for example are owed 200k because they were paying 5k a week towards the wages last year, but now we are in need of new investment who are also going to want there money at some point in time, can you see where this is going? And what is he himself putting in?
Then he wants to joke about club management and going on holiday, still claiming bromley won the league because of him and not the fact that Neil Smith done all the work.
As for the ground and selling the club, well it may not be lies but it ain't the truth. He's been offered money to purchase the club in recent weeks with a percentage of any development that does get accepted and he turned it down, because he thinks its worth more just because there is a application on someones desk, what he wants is what he's always wanted and that's to make some money and then f-off into the sunset and a new owner picking up the pieces.
Well done to all involved with the virtual presentation evening it was a cracking effort and well put together. Well hosted by Matt and Dean also. I was impressed by how it was done. As for the selling the club, vacating PVR etc its all very unsure and that should be worrying as weve all seen MANY times clubs lose their grounds and investors earning money in property deals and the club being left out of town in a worse ground with less capacity and facilities etc. Slag off Tamplin all you like but he left Billericay with a much better ground and facilities and didnt lose them their ground.
Were right to be worried but hopefully WUSA or Matt are in the loop and will step in or let us know if its looking iffy.
I just have a nagging feeling that in all of this the club doesnt matter as long as a property deal is done.
I also saw a trigger for possible bad times for the club and fans and that happened a few weeks ago and it happened at another club previously.
ive heard of a possible hostile takeover too but when they come up with a minimum 180 grand we will see if MG wants out or wants the property jackpot before going. He is on record as saying he will sell if people had the money isnt he? The clubs not worth more than he agreed to buy it for?
-- Edited by TheGhostOfJodyBrown on Tuesday 16th of June 2020 10:17:59 AM
Yes. It was very worrying to hear MG pretty much say we havent a pot to piss in without investment. Dan Wilks wasnt too keen to commit to resigning either. He probably knows the score. The curse of the POS will strike again. This is looking very gloomy indeed. Im dreading what announcement might be coming.
Wasn't present so this is based on what is posted.
1) No playing budget for next season. For that to be a problem you need a season to play in. Feel free to tell me when that starts, who is in it and what their respective budgets are. (Not just based on what was occurring before all this kicked off)
2) What is the gate money going to? To take money on the gate, someone needs to pay admission. That means they need to be admitted. Given the current risk averse cloth headedness of the current Government, you can only begin to imagine what dumb restrictions will be placed on that. If you didn't need a safety certificate to operate we could probably all say 'bollards to it' and get on as best we could but that would probably invalidate any insurance. In the absence of that, gate money is conjecture.
3) Presumably, in order to shaft us, he has to shaft E&B as well. You might be able to judge the level of shadiness from what they get. You'd like to hope they'd insist on their viability in any change of circumstance up front, especially as they seem to have had an absurdly good deal out of the current arrangement. Again I have no objection to MG making money out of anything if we get improved circumstance and are left financially viable. If not, thanks but no thanks.
4) Given the number of clubs that are likely to be struggling, why would we be more attractive than others to investors than others if they too didn't forsee a property element?
As 'Welling Town' seems to be in on the current admin information surrounding football clubs, would you mind answering questions 1 and 2, if only how it relates to your own circumstance?
-- Edited by stafford on Tuesday 16th of June 2020 08:15:00 PM
If we end up playing locally and not packed off to Crayford or Slade Green etc in a 2000 capacity stadium then most would be fine with that . Will the club be in improved facilities that can cope with this level and the one above and be based in the very local area?
Will loans and debts built up under current owner be squared off?
Youd like to think the club will be ok but every fan where developers and investors saw the pound signs would have said the same thing.
At least we didnt get relegated. I personally think Erith & Belvedere can sort their own matters out as theyve had a free ride at PVR, fair play to them for getting such a good deal.
-- Edited by TheGhostOfJodyBrown on Tuesday 16th of June 2020 09:00:20 PM
Lets see if the mob involved at another local club and some around the club come up with the cash to take over from MG. highly unlikely to raise the dosh and a lot more unlikely that MG will sell with the golden goose about to lay eggs finally. Also he will have got wind of all this nonsense anyway.
