In fairness, Lovell is a good appointment and arguably Lewis and Lewis are also BUT............... all three are MG trojans.

Everyone said MG has no involvement and has stepped away. That is clearly not the case, and it might be time for WUSA to put out a statement on the position of the group.

I think its a good appointment and the 2nd best thing MG has done since being at the club, raises a few questions though.

Who is now running the club? Mg has been silent for far too long but this is clearly his appointment. Heard from many places yesterday Tony Russell was in line, under the say so of Gary fiore, must have been some disagreement there for all this to happen.

Its been no secret that Fiore has been looking to complete purchase of the club an apart from a couple of negotiation/disagreement in what the sum would be it was almost a done deal. Hence fiore doing what he has been doing and MG stepping away from practically everything in recent times.

So where does this leave all that? Is MG still looking to sell? Is he going to speak up again? And a question for all fans, is Fiore really the right person to take control of the club if that is still happening.

In his short tenure of running things off the field there have been minor improvements and a lot of hard work but a lot of that was carried out by Matt, Paul & Brett.
Fiore himself has been a disaster really, involved in player recruitment that hasn't been good enough, sticking his nose into squad selection and not a very good relationship with Brad who despite his poor run for us is a football manager and doesn't need someone over his shoulder like that, makes you wonder how much of fiores interference had to do with the results we've been getting.

If MG does come back into the spotlight, which I can't believe I'm saying this but I think he should, then the last 6 months have been a waste, another notch on the merry-go-round.

On the brightside we have a capable manager, which given the circumstances I think we're lucky to get, and one that MG will back more financially knowing that he can trust the man in charge.

You missed out MG himself off that list. And more so that the club goes from one thing to another on a far too regular basis. No stability on a yearly basis, its not good enough for any club and another factor into where we are at this present time.

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He must have been lined up before Brads departure, I wonder if Brad knew?

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 Doubt that as there were people from Cray Wanderers at Tuesday's game . Brad may have seen them there and seen it coming though.

Well its interesting fiore just liked my tweet.

'Mg clearly back running the club despite disappearing for 10months and no interest'

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There is no one person least equiped to get us out of the mire, than the person who ultimately got us into it.

And saying "I can't believe I'm saying this but I think he should, then the last 6 months have been a waste, another notch on the merry-go-round." is inviting disaster.

MG has a pattern at the club of coming in, getting a fall guy in at #2, talking a big fight, losing, trail of destruction....walking away, appointing fall guy #1, sacking fall guy.....coming back in......the cycle continues................... Hugo, Tristan, Gary..... Steve? Is that The merry go round?

Honestly, MG is not the answer now or in the future.

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 Not Mg's biggest fan but, he's never taken us to the bottom of the league with a team unable to compete against even the poorest of opposition. 

The players signed have been a mixture of Brad and fiore. Long term, MG isn't the answer unless a massive change of his own feelings in what he wants to do. Short term, he's done the correct thing. 

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There is no one person least equiped to get us out of the mire, than the person who ultimately got us into it.

And saying "I can't believe I'm saying this but I think he should, then the last 6 months have been a waste, another notch on the merry-go-round." is inviting disaster.

MG has a pattern at the club of coming in, getting a fall guy in at #2, talking a big fight, losing, trail of destruction....walking away, appointing fall guy #1, sacking fall guy.....coming back in......the cycle continues................... Hugo, Tristan, Gary..... Steve? Is that The merry go round?

Honestly, MG is not the answer now or in the future.

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 Not Mg's biggest fan but, he's never taken us to the bottom of the league with a team unable to compete against even the poorest of opposition. 

The players signed have been a mixture of Brad and fiore. Long term, MG isn't the answer unless a massive change of his own feelings in what he wants to do. Short term, he's done the correct thing. 

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You sure he's not had us bottom? Defo languishing. This current incarnation will end the same way as it always does. 

These are not the right people running the club.

 

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"These people"?

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 MG, Fiore and the various trojans /  whipping boys

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OK, that's long term.

But the point im making is MG has made a very good decision and recruited a good manager who will be left to geton with the job at hand and bring his own players in.
As opposed to what we had and the possibility of Tony Russell and Joe Vine which would of been a ongoing disaster with fiore still recruiting kids and players who are not good enough from lower leagues.

And yes we now need words from MG as to where he and everyone stands in general? Is he still looking to sell? Any progress on developments?

"Various trojans/whipping boys"?

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 Many have said MG was no longer involved, and there were Fiore and others running the club. Fiore has gone, so what is the role of the others now? What do they do now? What do WUSA as a group, or via the board, think of the current situation? 

MG has recruited a good manager, a mate/Bromley boy. Alex Dyer was a good manager and walked out. Steve King was an excellent manager and walked out. Day was an excellent manager and walked out..............there's only one constant in all that. It's not the "good manager". 

Fact is the past six months have been a disaster either because MG was still meddling, despite everyone saying he wasn't OR Fiore and others made a hash of it OR unlike others Covid just was too hard on us, and where we are is bad luck.

Nothing will improve with MG at the helm. It's delusional to think it will. And his MO is to do things for a short time, then dip out.....having dipped in!

Ive been reading all of the various threads over the last couple of days and blimey there is a load of on here. Thing that annoys me the most is the lack of respect people show to individuals that have worked tirelessly to keep the club alive. To say its been a disastrous 6 months shows a complete lack of understanding and appreciation for the circumstances and actions of MG. if you walk away from the club as he did and leave it to fend for itself, how on earth can you criticise people for stepping up and doing their best to improve things. Beggars belief....! Just my opinion but Ill happily continue to volunteer and do everything I can to support people that want to improve this club, whoever that may be. I previously knew nobody at this club and had no pre conceptions, everything Ive seen since I responded to the ad asking for volunteers, has been top class and based on my first hand experiences. Im yet to meet so many of the people that have big opinions on current club affairs.

Well have to disagree on our interpretations of how MG left the club this summer. I just get hacked off with reading the same people getting bashed and their efforts to drag this club forward undermined. I have seen first hand how hard people work and dont like to see how people trash it. I have no idea what their motivations for doing so are but it does not sit well with me. I for one only want to see this club succeed and become a pillar of the local community. The people I have met so far are top class and I look forward to socialising when we are allowed back.

Well I'd like to know what your interpretation of how he left it is. Mine is that he left it in a shower of ##### that he created of a period of time, but what he didn't do is leave it with Joe blogs, as I said he left it with someone who has actively pursued purchasing the club for a period of time and apart from a few negotiation issues could of already been the chairman as we speak.

Forget the 'people' nobody is talking about them. The club and people are different things, the club off the field has improved, not massively but just enough for now with the help of 2 or 3 new members of the club.
The club the main man put in charge of on the field matters has shown despite all promise, he is incapable of running a club that the level we all wish to sustain and improve on.
For the first time in a long time, the man still with full right to do so stepped in and mad a good decision to prevent it getting worse.

Like most non league clubs, volunteers are essential. Most arent in it for rewards, their incentive is their support for the club. If during lockdown a volunteer gets to watch a game in person I wont begrudge them that, although they might have had a raw deal this season!

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The '6 months' is about on the pitch not volunteers or a couple of the other people who have moved into positions at the club, is there any other way you would like to describe other than that?
You have shown lack of understanding yourself in the very next sentence. MG did not leave the club to fend for itself, he left it to a man who as actively pursued it for a period of time and since then has run it like a club 2 levels below and where we would go 1 step closer to if it carried on.
As regards to volunteers and you not meeting people who have opinions, yes well done volunteers, but was this done without reward and incentive? Be a volunteer, get to see your mates and watch a live game of football whilst everyone else sits at home. Quite a nice gig really. With a couple of exceptions many don't post there opinions with the worry these benefits will not exist afterwards.

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Temperature checking 500 people on entry is not a nice gig I can assure you of that. That comment is exactly the type of thing that winds me up. Why try and knock down people that are trying to help, like I said in my original post I knew nobody when I first offered to volunteer and certainly had no agenda other than to try and support the club through the Covid period. 

No some were ball boys, some were working in the bar, some were pointing officials in the right direction... many different jobs needed on match day

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The '6 months' is about on the pitch not volunteers or a couple of the other people who have moved into positions at the club, is there any other way you would like to describe other than that?
You have shown lack of understanding yourself in the very next sentence. MG did not leave the club to fend for itself, he left it to a man who as actively pursued it for a period of time and since then has run it like a club 2 levels below and where we would go 1 step closer to if it carried on.
As regards to volunteers and you not meeting people who have opinions, yes well done volunteers, but was this done without reward and incentive? Be a volunteer, get to see your mates and watch a live game of football whilst everyone else sits at home. Quite a nice gig really. With a couple of exceptions many don't post there opinions with the worry these benefits will not exist afterwards.

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Temperature checking 500 people on entry is not a nice gig I can assure you of that. That comment is exactly the type of thing that winds me up. Why try and knock down people that are trying to help, like I said in my original post I knew nobody when I first offered to volunteer and certainly had no agenda other than to try and support the club through the Covid period. 

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 Going back to your original post, It made reference to a disastrous 6month and took it as a swipe at volunteers,in which you are wrong it was to do with football and the man that the thread title names. Since that post I've made various prompts to go back to that discussion about on the pitch in which you haven't taken up or offered your own opinion. Do you have one? 

There wasn't 500 people at a behind closed doors game that I've further refrenced and that you haven't taken on. And I've also stated well done to volunteers who helped at the game when fans were aloud. So to get wound up when you've missed the point more than once is a bit of a waste.

Ignoring all the bickering for a moment....

First off Brad Quinton is a bloke who I have a lot of time for and he has worked his wotsits off since his appointment. While a lot of people will look at this seasons poor results, I would mainly like to thank him for his work a year ago, where for the 8 or 9 weeks he was in charge last season, he turned a pretty woeful team into a decent side that had an outside shot of the playoffs had the season continued. However based on this season, I can't have too many complaints, results have been poor and I think it's the right call to bring someone new in with fresh ideas with a few new faces on the playing side.

Garry Fiore stepping down is bad news for the club in my opinion. I've only volunteered at one game and haven't been involved much for a number of reasons this season so I genuinely don't know whether the stories of getting involved in team selection or signings is true or not. But forgetting that, it's vital for the club that an academy links to the first team. To have any conflict in that isn't good for all parties and I hope that relationships can in the future be amicable to benefit Welling United.

A few others have criticised me in the past for me sticking up for MG and in his defence I know how much work has been done by him trying to get the stadium redevelopment off the ground. Whatever anyone thinks of his motives for doing so, Welling United badly need either a new stadium or a re-development of PVR. The ground is falling apart, especially at the park end with the terrace literally crumbling away. Before too long that end will be too dangerous to use at all and that could affect the ground capacity which could affect our ability to stay in the league.

However, I also know how much work has gone in behind the scenes from Garry, Matt and Paul amongst many others to get the ground safe and ready to use and how much has been done to keep the club operating while Mark wanted very little to do with the day to day running of the club. IF Mark has now decided to come and run things his way then I can understand why Garry has walked away, if that's the main reason.

If Mark is now taking charge again, then he needs to do an interview or online meeting where he needs to outline how the club is going to operate going forward, who is in charge for the day to day running, the progress with regards to ground developments and how the relationship sits between him and the academy. There was some great communication over the last few months and Mark needs to do the same as like most supporters, I have little idea as to the future of the club.

I think Steve Lovell is a decent appointment and it will be interesting to see what players he brings in and how the results go. I also hope that him and his management team are the only ones involved in team selection/signings and that they are left alone to do their jobs.

I hope for some stability with management and players, as a new manager and a new squad every season won't lead to much unless there's a big budget like Steve King had. Jamie Day assembled a great team which achieved success with a great team spirit amongst other things, but he had a pattern of improving the club every season by keeping a nucleus of olayers and adding a few players every year. I would love to see that happen again with the club being stable, instead of the circus it keeps turning into.

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Ignoring all the bickering for a moment....

First off Brad Quinton is a bloke who I have a lot of time for and he has worked his wotsits off since his appointment. While a lot of people will look at this seasons poor results, I would mainly like to thank him for his work a year ago, where for the 8 or 9 weeks he was in charge last season, he turned a pretty woeful team into a decent side that had an outside shot of the playoffs had the season continued. However based on this season, I can't have too many complaints, results have been poor and I think it's the right call to bring someone new in with fresh ideas with a few new faces on the playing side.

Garry Fiore stepping down is bad news for the club in my opinion. I've only volunteered at one game and haven't been involved much for a number of reasons this season so I genuinely don't know whether the stories of getting involved in team selection or signings is true or not. But forgetting that, it's vital for the club that an academy links to the first team. To have any conflict in that isn't good for all parties and I hope that relationships can in the future be amicable to benefit Welling United.

A few others have criticised me in the past for me sticking up for MG and in his defence I know how much work has been done by him trying to get the stadium redevelopment off the ground. Whatever anyone thinks of his motives for doing so, Welling United badly need either a new stadium or a re-development of PVR. The ground is falling apart, especially at the park end with the terrace literally crumbling away. Before too long that end will be too dangerous to use at all and that could affect the ground capacity which could affect our ability to stay in the league.

However, I also know how much work has gone in behind the scenes from Garry, Matt and Paul amongst many others to get the ground safe and ready to use and how much has been done to keep the club operating while Mark wanted very little to do with the day to day running of the club. IF Mark has now decided to come and run things his way then I can understand why Garry has walked away, if that's the main reason.

If Mark is now taking charge again, then he needs to do an interview or online meeting where he needs to outline how the club is going to operate going forward, who is in charge for the day to day running, the progress with regards to ground developments and how the relationship sits between him and the academy. There was some great communication over the last few months and Mark needs to do the same as like most supporters, I have little idea as to the future of the club.

I think Steve Lovell is a decent appointment and it will be interesting to see what players he brings in and how the results go. I also hope that him and his management team are the only ones involved in team selection/signings and that they are left alone to do their jobs.

I hope for some stability with management and players, as a new manager and a new squad every season won't lead to much unless there's a big budget like Steve King had. Jamie Day assembled a great team which achieved success with a great team spirit amongst other things, but he had a pattern of improving the club every season by keeping a nucleus of olayers and adding a few players every year. I would love to see that happen again with the club being stable, instead of the circus it keeps turning into.

-- Edited by Polo on Friday 15th of January 2021 09:31:52 PM

-- Edited by Polo on Friday 15th of January 2021 09:33:20 PM

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 Not really bickering but a debate of opinions. 

Well said on the rest and good to hear your opinions.

I have to agree with a lot of what Polo has said. Garry stepping down is not good news for the club. I was lucky to meet with Garry, Paul and Matt after they were appointed and this team had real drive and ambition off the pitch with a clear vision of where they wanted to take the club. With Garry stepping down it now looks like MG will take over the day to day running of the club. That is my main concern. Managers come and go but what makes a club successful is what happens behind the scenes and with Garry stepping down this is what I fear for. As Polo suggested it would be good to hear from MG on the events over the last week and also his plans for the future.