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Squarevanmanthesecond wrote:

I thought the league was going to publish its deliberation on Monday but so far the silence is deafening.


 They were meeting with the FA on Monday and I was told to expect an announcement yesterday. Kettering have announced that they will not be participating if the current proposal goes ahead but they were not on the original letter anyway so that's all a bit Alexander Armstrong.



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Danson Mark wrote:
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I thought the league was going to publish its deliberation on Monday but so far the silence is deafening.


 They were meeting with the FA on Monday and I was told to expect an announcement yesterday. Kettering have announced that they will not be participating if the current proposal goes ahead but they were not on the original letter anyway so that's all a bit Alexander Armstrong.


 Read elsewhere Concord and Hemel are 2 of the 19 who dropped out. But looking at the original letter posted on main website I could only see 18 original signatories.



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Guardian reported that Havant are also relenting on their stance having been an original letter signatory as well.

The possible league extension, therefore, seems to be losing momentum.



-- Edited by Sherpa49 on Thursday 11th of March 2021 04:48:11 PM

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Staffy.....The scientific ...be it clinical ( my science) or mathematical modelling ..background to this pandemic is there for everyone to read, digest and understand. An unknown virus means that we have learn what it does or doesn't do as we go along.....New Scientist is a start if interested plus the published reports

We don't know a lot of things yet

1. How long do the vaccines last for and therefore will we need another one in Autumn
2. How much does the vaccine stop transmission
3. What level of herd immunity do we need for the virus to pretty much go....Measles is around 95% and Polio around 80% I think
4. Will a mutant where the spike protein is changed or damaged to such a level where the vaccines are ineffective arrive...luckily now we have the base vaccine altering it will be relatively quick

We are now genome sequencing many more positives (my company PacBio is one of the 3rd gen sequencers doing this worldwide)....so we can act far quicker....this to answer your question is how a nastier virus can be determined along with direct work with current vaccines available and their efficacy

It is very likely summer will help while everyone gets vaccinated

When we get to herd immunity then the numbers seriously ill in hospital will be very low and more aligned to a flu season...thus more manageable for the NHS.

We as a country cannot carry on indefinitely locked down but it is the data that determines the current situation and future situation (modelling)

Personally the only part that concerns me is foreign travel until other countries catch up with vaccinations and I can see this being later to open up and it will be with a vaccine passport for many of them

Foreign travel directly affects my work seeing as though I am meant to be across Europe Middle East and Africa right now but that can wait until it can be done safely


From zero to a thesis takes a bit of time to respond properly and would take up most of the board so for that reason I have DMed you. If anyone else is interested in the response, I can DM it to you if you ask.

Apparently Whitty had been mentioning lockdowns in relation to flu not Covid, which I'm not aware has been refuted, hence why I originally posited what I did....

 



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The FA:

Consideration was also given to an alternative sporting solution at Step 2 in line with a proposal submitted by certain Step 2 clubs. The Alliance Committee rejected the proposal, and any alternative, in the interest of the integrity of the National League System.



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So...that is that then!!!

Right decision for me

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MarkX wrote:

So...that is that then!!!

Right decision for me


 Yep! There really wasnt a good enough reason to try to carry on was there. Lets hope we can start afresh with some PSFs in July. 



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So...that is that then!!!

Right decision for me


 Yes mate but not for Dorksville. 

https://www.dorkingwanderers.com/post/board-statement-the-national-league-step-2-decision



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Billy big boots....will be hated next season is my guess

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I didn't personally think the proposal was worth perusing in any shape or form. However, with the use of words such as catastrophically, astonishingly, horrific etc to discribe the process and outcome, Dorking would appear more than a little miffed that their impressive onward charge up the league has been thwarted. As far as we are concerned, we should now plan for next season and not waste time and money on seemingly worthless causes.



-- Edited by RonF on Saturday 13th of March 2021 02:36:41 PM

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Having now seen the proposals that were put forward, I'm not surprised that it was rejected. We would have started on 20 points with the leaders, Dorking on 32 points so a couple of early wins would have put us right in the mix for the play-offs. The good thing is that now we know that the season is over and can start looking ahead to 2021-22. I wonder how many of the 45 players used this season will be at the club for the first game of next season. 

 



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More to the point how many teams will survive to start next season?

If clubs are forced into administration they may well have to drop dow the league pyramid, opening up the prospect of a reshuffle, now that would be a legal nightmare if some clubs, like Dorking, end up getting promoted to make up the numbers in the National league 



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More to the point how many teams will survive to start next season?

If clubs are forced into administration they may well have to drop dow the league pyramid, opening up the prospect of a reshuffle, now that would be a legal nightmare if some clubs, like Dorking, end up getting promoted to make up the numbers in the National league 


 I don't think that any club in our league, or above, will go bust. The Dover situation needs to be resolved but with no relegation, the other teams near the bottom can furlough their contracted players and play their kids.



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Danson Mark wrote:
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More to the point how many teams will survive to start next season?

If clubs are forced into administration they may well have to drop dow the league pyramid, opening up the prospect of a reshuffle, now that would be a legal nightmare if some clubs, like Dorking, end up getting promoted to make up the numbers in the National league 


 I don't think that any club in our league, or above, will go bust. The Dover situation needs to be resolved but with no relegation, the other teams near the bottom can furlough their contracted players and play their kids.


 Have you factored any fines the League may sanction against clubs who didn't play into you financial calculation?



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More to the point how many teams will survive to start next season?

If clubs are forced into administration they may well have to drop dow the league pyramid, opening up the prospect of a reshuffle, now that would be a legal nightmare if some clubs, like Dorking, end up getting promoted to make up the numbers in the National league 


 I don't think that any club in our league, or above, will go bust. The Dover situation needs to be resolved but with no relegation, the other teams near the bottom can furlough their contracted players and play their kids.


 Have you factored any fines the League may sanction against clubs who didn't play into you financial calculation?


 Would the league really bankrupt a club? I know that the management is hopeless but surely any punishment would be points next season but as the season is null and void rather than curtailed, I don't know how they can justify any punishment.



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More to the point how many teams will survive to start next season?

If clubs are forced into administration they may well have to drop dow the league pyramid, opening up the prospect of a reshuffle, now that would be a legal nightmare if some clubs, like Dorking, end up getting promoted to make up the numbers in the National league 


 I don't think that any club in our league, or above, will go bust. The Dover situation needs to be resolved but with no relegation, the other teams near the bottom can furlough their contracted players and play their kids.


 Have you factored any fines the League may sanction against clubs who didn't play into you financial calculation?


 Would the league really bankrupt a club? I know that the management is hopeless but surely any punishment would be points next season but as the season is null and void rather than curtailed, I don't know how they can justify any punishment.


 Let's turn that round. The League issue a fine, the recipient club say paying it will bankrupt them. Where does it go then? Who's face gets saved?

Points next season. Not so easy if the DH assessment of the League rules was accurate and there was no way of trading without breaking at least one rule. A field day for a lawyer.

Where clubs are supporter owned, they seem a lot more sensitive to legislation and the proper running of a company, possibly because they have not made marginal decisions running companies previously that have allowed some owners to accrue their wealth they now put into football clubs, and aren't as willing to tread the path of possible legal sanction.

It will work itself out, probably at some financial cost and some face\standing lost. That doesn't mean it will necessarily be quick, pleasant or present a firm foundation for seasons going forward.



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stafford wrote:
Danson Mark wrote:
stafford wrote:
Danson Mark wrote:
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More to the point how many teams will survive to start next season?

If clubs are forced into administration they may well have to drop dow the league pyramid, opening up the prospect of a reshuffle, now that would be a legal nightmare if some clubs, like Dorking, end up getting promoted to make up the numbers in the National league 


 I don't think that any club in our league, or above, will go bust. The Dover situation needs to be resolved but with no relegation, the other teams near the bottom can furlough their contracted players and play their kids.


 Have you factored any fines the League may sanction against clubs who didn't play into you financial calculation?


 Would the league really bankrupt a club? I know that the management is hopeless but surely any punishment would be points next season but as the season is null and void rather than curtailed, I don't know how they can justify any punishment.


 Let's turn that round. The League issue a fine, the recipient club say paying it will bankrupt them. Where does it go then? Who's face gets saved?

Points next season. Not so easy if the DH assessment of the League rules was accurate and there was no way of trading without breaking at least one rule. A field day for a lawyer.

Where clubs are supporter owned, they seem a lot more sensitive to legislation and the proper running of a company, possibly because they have not made marginal decisions running companies previously that have allowed some owners to accrue their wealth they now put into football clubs, and aren't as willing to tread the path of possible legal sanction.

It will work itself out, probably at some financial cost and some face\standing lost. That doesn't mean it will necessarily be quick, pleasant or present a firm foundation for seasons going forward.


 

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