Left before the end, couldnt stand any more. I thought Haringey and Sheppy were bad but this takes the biscuit. Inept, passionless and seemingly rudderless. If Mr Lovell thinks he has decent side here, he is living in cloud cuckoo land. It comes to something when you are playing a lower level club at home in the FA Cup, and the opposing sides keeper is not called upon to make a save. I shall not offer any comment on the technicalities but something is wrong somewhere. I have been watching Welling United for more years than I care to remember and I am struggling to think of a time I have felt more despondent at this time of the season. God help us next week.
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Dont recall a shot on target for us. Their Number 9 showed our lot how to finish. We have some decent players but we are definitely not a team. God help us next week. The black and white ****e will murder us for sure. This is very depressing.
A shambles from top to bottom, the players are more a victim of what's going on above them but it's still not good enough.
MG digging himself a deeper hole the longer he keeps quiet. Dirtford next week will be the lowest of the low.
From what I can remember we had 2 shots..one went in Danson Park.. the other hit a bus.!!!...im having a drink in my garden still in shock...very very disappointing , I honestly didn't know what to say to the manager after. God knows how we're going to bounce back next week
I said after the St Albans game that the club is dying from the top down and nothing has changed my view on that.
The budget doesn't help and yes according the manager at St Albans, the players aren't good enough. However no matter how good/bad the players are, and no matter what the budget is, the basic requirements of effort, commitment and work rate are a bare minimum and were missing badly today.
Getting rid of the management team could be one option, but after last week and what I've heard today, players are still being signed by people above the management team, and strings are being pulled from above. So whoever comes in is going to experience the same so what is the point? Its a complete shambles on and off the pitch and next week could be a cricket score.
The club is on its backside, with the ground in it's worst state in the 29 years i've been attending PVR and with the worst team I've ever seen wear a Welling shirt and something urgently has to change, and quick.
-- Edited by Polo on Saturday 18th of September 2021 10:20:01 PM
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Completely agree with all of the above, but genuine question, Why did WUSA via boost the budget fund a player that was recommended by MG? And one who isn't fit and never likely to get fit in the hopefully short time he is with us? Karlan Hinds being the player in question.
-- Edited by Jamison on Saturday 18th of September 2021 09:16:20 PM
I said after the St Albans game that the club is dying from the top down and nothing has changed my view on that.
The budget doesn't help and yes according the manager at St Albans, the players aren't good enough. However no matter how good/bad the players are, and no matter what the budget is, the basic requirements of effort, commitment and work rate are a bare minimum and were missing badly today.
Getting rid of the management team could be one option, but after last week and what I've heard today, players are still being signed by people above the management team, and strings are being pulled from above. So whoever comes in is going to experience the same so what is the point? Its a complete shambles on and off the pitch and next week could be a cricket score.
The club is on its backside, with the ground in it's worst state in the 29 years i've been attending PVR and with the worst team I've ever seen wear a Welling shirt and something urgently has to change, and quick.
-- Edited by Polo on Saturday 18th of September 2021 08:43:09 PM
Christ!!!!!! Ive going down to PVR since 2004 so I agree with Wingnut Fee king hate this. Surely we cant stoop this low
-- Edited by Riverstown on Saturday 18th of September 2021 10:38:57 PM
From memory WUSA have never given boost the budget funds and had discussions to the player signed. The idea was never to assign a certain player to that so it couldn't be said we are paying for X player etc if they weren't performing. The money was used to fund Ross Lafayette many years ago, and numerous players since, but it's never been designated to a certain player.
So when funds were offered a few weeks ago, it's up to the management to bring in whoever they wanted.
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Absolutely rubbish yesterday. Well done to Harrow but when you don't have a shot on target in an FA Cup tie at home to lower league opposition over 94 minutes that speaks volumes.
Oh and when scouting opponents best not go to a league cup tie where they rest half their first XI as you won't learn very much....
And please tell me that Sinclair has been thrown out of the club after a display of petulance yesterday that would shame your average five year old...
I am afraid that WUSA has run its course. I am a member and will continue to be so because it offers me discounts in the club shop and at the bar. They have a seat on the board but that means nothing anymore. I have a great deal of time for Matt (and some of the other committee members who I count as good friends) but the relationship between the club and it's supporters has never been further apart than it is today...
My god it sounds awful - I thought it would be the usual FA Cup struggle but from what I read above it sounded as inept as any of those other tame FA Cup surrenders. I hear lots about the 'budget' but I wonder how many teams at our level have a decent budget. Hungerford for example strike me as a team who play their matches in front of one man and a dog. Harrow? Are they loaded?
I'm not as close to things as I used to be so perhaps for reasons unknown to me we really have got a budget a third of the size of every other team in the league and Harrow Borough but I struggle to believe that can be true over the past 18 months. Virtually every non league team took a battering - some have probably got better sources of income than others and richer benefactors, but not for the vast majority
I recently did a bit of ground hopping and have seen better performances in the Kent league. However I see on twitter Bradley Pearce and Lumi Maintain have both apologised for yesterday. Fair play to them for having the guts to step up but wheres the rest of them.
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There are obviously structural changes that need to be made at the club and I totally agree with this. However they are more complex and will take time. But the one thing we need to do immediately is get rid of Lovell and Tristan. I am sick of hearing him throw the players under the bus. He keeps having a pop at Dipo and rightly so. But have a set of balls and dont start him if you dont rate him. There was nothing coming from that dugout yesterday and thats part of the problem. I think both should be removed immediately after months of shocking performances. Bring someone in who wants to be here and is capable of turning things around.
As someone who observed the 3-0 debacle from Clevedon and, more particularly, the 4-1 humbling by Wembley, yesterday was not the worst I'd seen. That they were worse was because they were unexpected given the quality of previous results and peformances. The biggest indictment was that yesterday was not.
I had a disagreement with some on here at the time of the HMRC affair as to whether we were saving a name or an ethos. I was struggling to see if we weren't just saving a name. In the end, there was enough of an ethos to hang in and produce the Day era a few years later. We now appear to me to be just the name. If people have found other things to do in the last 18 months that is not good timing to prompt a review of their interest.
Yesterday was as insipid as it gets. If there is not an ethos to get behind, why would you bother in the name of entertainment. I am extremely glad I had already decided that I'd be spending 3Q day watching some people who pay to participate in the sport they have chosen and put on a darn sight better show for 5 hours for about the same admission fee.
To get worked up, I'd have to care, but, rightly or wrongly, I'm taking my lead from the outward impression of the club...
-- Edited by stafford on Sunday 19th of September 2021 04:02:07 PM
There are obviously structural changes that need to be made at the club and I totally agree with this. However they are more complex and will take time. But the one thing we need to do immediately is get rid of Lovell and Tristan. I am sick of hearing him throw the players under the bus. He keeps having a pop at Dipo and rightly so. But have a set of balls and dont start him if you dont rate him. There was nothing coming from that dugout yesterday and thats part of the problem. I think both should be removed immediately after months of shocking performances. Bring someone in who wants to be here and is capable of turning things around.
Wouldnt matter. We have a chairman who in a Were all in this together campaign, cant even spend time with supporters as much this season. What does he want to address first? A revamped PVR to attract fresh support or a successful side and healthier playing budget to attract players? He cant appear to address both together financially. A Meet the Owner night apparently be in the offing. Ground plans of sorts murmured to a few with no proof or concrete detail continue in what must be at least the third season running. Mark mentions sustainability a lot but with little to demonstrate for it.
What is going on, Mark, and what is on the horizon longer term? How are the freehold purchasing plans with the Council, for example, going? PVR for all its faults has terrace sections closed off now and Ive never known that before.
As someone who observed the 3-0 debacle from Clevedon and, more particularly, the 4-1 humbling by Wembley, yesterday was not the worst I'd seen. That they were worse was because they were unexpected given the quality of previous results and peformances. The biggest indictment was that yesterday was not.
I had a disagreement with some on here at the time of the HMRC affair as to whether we were saving a name or an ethos. I was struggling to see if we weren't just saving a name. In the end, there was enough of an ethos to hang in and produce the Day era a few years later. We now appear to me to be just the name. If people have found other things to do in the last 18 months that is not good timing to prompt a review of their interest.
Yesterday was as insipid as it gets. If there is not an ethos to get behind, why would you bother in the name of entertainment. I am extremely glad I had already decided that I'd be spending 3Q day watching some people who pay to participate in the sport they have chosen and put on a darn sight better show for 5 hours for about the same admission fee.
To get worked up, I'd have to care, but, rightly or wrongly, I'm taking my lead from the outward impression of the club...
-- Edited by stafford on Sunday 19th of September 2021 04:02:07 PM
Feel much the same - I've had a lot going on personally but debated whether or not to bother. Something inside told me it would be another limpdicked cup debacle so glad I saved myself the bother. Still very sad though - seems like everything on and off the field leaves a lot to be desired.
Yeap...I have been recovering from a back injury and am now at 95% so thought...right lets go to Welling but then something in my head said that it was mad to drive 200 miles to be heavily disappointed...would never have done that a couple of years back
There are obviously structural changes that need to be made at the club and I totally agree with this. However they are more complex and will take time. But the one thing we need to do immediately is get rid of Lovell and Tristan. I am sick of hearing him throw the players under the bus. He keeps having a pop at Dipo and rightly so. But have a set of balls and dont start him if you dont rate him. There was nothing coming from that dugout yesterday and thats part of the problem. I think both should be removed immediately after months of shocking performances. Bring someone in who wants to be here and is capable of turning things around.
Wouldnt matter. We have a chairman who in a Were all in this together campaign, cant even spend time with supporters as much this season. What does he want to address first? A revamped PVR to attract fresh support or a successful side and healthier playing budget to attract players? He cant appear to address both together financially. A Meet the Owner night apparently be in the offing. Ground plans of sorts murmured to a few with no proof or concrete detail continue in what must be at least the third season running. Mark mentions sustainability a lot but with little to demonstrate for it.
What is going on, Mark, and what is on the horizon longer term? How are the freehold purchasing plans with the Council, for example, going? PVR for all its faults has terrace sections closed off now and Ive never known that before.
PVR is an excellent place to watch football. Rather it as it is than Dirtford, Northfleet or Maidstone, each a bastardised attempt at being modern and neither with anything near to an "ethos" (as someone put it earlier).
What's needed is direction, ownership and from that will come income and investment.
The current owner is and has always been living in la-la land. I know how to do carpentry, i can tell you how to fit a lock, but hand me the tools and you'll end up with a door that looks like it's been attacked by a beaver. Saying and doing are very different and MG has talked the talk............he has NOT walked the walk.
It's time for change.
WUSA is not representative, or transparent and it is part of the problem.
Ownership change might allow WUSA to be more of what it was intended. The fans should not be tasked with running the club or holding it afloat unless they own it outright. MG is taking the mickey out of WUSA. Nothing personal.
The management are not at the right club. Some of the management leave a trail of destruction behind them EVERYWHERE they go.
But all this was said two years back?
Slowly, slowly people are realising.....
Some are saying Rondos... don't make that mistake. The leadership will only do lots of the same ....these "football men" just can't help themselves.
COYW
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-- Edited by Wings1963 on Monday 20th of September 2021 04:55:56 PM
What's needed is direction, ownership and from that will come income and investment.
The current owner is and has always been living in la-la land. I know how to do carpentry, i can tell you how to fit a lock, but hand me the tools and you'll end up with a door that looks like it's been attacked by a beaver. Saying and doing are very different and MG has talked the talk............he has NOT walked the walk.
It's time for change.
WUSA is not representative, or transparent and it is part of the problem.
Ownership change might allow WUSA to be more of what it was intended. The fans should not be tasked with running the club or holding it afloat unless they own it outright. MG is taking the mickey out of WUSA. Nothing personal.
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I agree we need direction and if MG can't get the planning permission after all this time, will he ever?
As for WUSA, I disagree - I never thought for one second it would make any difference to any decision MG makes and if anyone thought it would then I'm surprised. To say they're part of the problem, when it consists of members who help and support the club and get a discounted pint, is almost comical. I think some people see a fan supporting a supporters club is in turn supporting MG. I'm not. Unless you can explain how my £10 per year does that.
What's needed is direction, ownership and from that will come income and investment.
The current owner is and has always been living in la-la land. I know how to do carpentry, i can tell you how to fit a lock, but hand me the tools and you'll end up with a door that looks like it's been attacked by a beaver. Saying and doing are very different and MG has talked the talk............he has NOT walked the walk.
It's time for change.
WUSA is not representative, or transparent and it is part of the problem.
Ownership change might allow WUSA to be more of what it was intended. The fans should not be tasked with running the club or holding it afloat unless they own it outright. MG is taking the mickey out of WUSA. Nothing personal.
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I agree we need direction and if MG can't get the planning permission after all this time, will he ever?
As for WUSA, I disagree - I never thought for one second it would make any difference to any decision MG makes and if anyone thought it would then I'm surprised. To say they're part of the problem, when it consists of members who help and support the club and get a discounted pint, is almost comical. I think some people see a fan supporting a supporters club is in turn supporting MG. I'm not. Unless you can explain how my £10 per year does that.
Those two points on their own contradict each other. Getting a discount doesnt help the club. For many, supporting an ailing supporters association that hands the funds it raises to the club via boost the budget is indirectly supporting MG, as it saves him paying it himself and delays the inevitable. I would imagine there are many WUSA members happy to donate to the budget, why not just donate directly to the club? Why donate via a third party? There must be some WUSA members who donate money in to WUSA who would prefer it not to go to the playing budget and/or MG, but I imagine they either dont get a vote, or if they do, would be outvoted. More fool them.
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What's needed is direction, ownership and from that will come income and investment.
The current owner is and has always been living in la-la land. I know how to do carpentry, i can tell you how to fit a lock, but hand me the tools and you'll end up with a door that looks like it's been attacked by a beaver. Saying and doing are very different and MG has talked the talk............he has NOT walked the walk.
It's time for change.
WUSA is not representative, or transparent and it is part of the problem.
Ownership change might allow WUSA to be more of what it was intended. The fans should not be tasked with running the club or holding it afloat unless they own it outright. MG is taking the mickey out of WUSA. Nothing personal.
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I agree we need direction and if MG can't get the planning permission after all this time, will he ever?
As for WUSA, I disagree - I never thought for one second it would make any difference to any decision MG makes and if anyone thought it would then I'm surprised. To say they're part of the problem, when it consists of members who help and support the club and get a discounted pint, is almost comical. I think some people see a fan supporting a supporters club is in turn supporting MG. I'm not. Unless you can explain how my £10 per year does that.
Those two points on their own contradict each other. Getting a discount doesnt help the club. For many, supporting an ailing supporters association that hands the funds it raises to the club via boost the budget is indirectly supporting MG, as it saves him paying it himself and delays the inevitable. I would imagine there are many WUSA members happy to donate to the budget, why not just donate directly to the club? Why donate via a third party? There must be some WUSA members who donate money in to WUSA who would prefer it not to go to the playing budget and/or MG, but I imagine they either dont get a vote, or if they do, would be outvoted. More fool them.
They don't contradict each other. The Wings Bar has never been busier with fans who use to go to the Nags, Door Hinge etc. right up until kick off, myself included. Club is benefitting but this isn't a big deal, but shows you the sort of things members join for. The 'ailing' supporters club has good membership this year, has supported boost the budget long before MG came to the club and doesn't give all funds raised to the club (just some of it). As for donating direct, I think anyone can? You are probably right, not all members would like funds to go to the budget but there's usually a vote and even if there wasn't you can vote on who is on the committee if you feel things are not right. I also don't think many members donate to WUSA - they join, support events etc. I think a player was funded which I don't agree with as it should have been Lovell who sorted the squad before it came to this. Which highlights the need to get someone in who knows this level of football.
PVR is an excellent place to watch football. Rather it as it is than Dirtford, Northfleet or Maidstone, each a bastardised attempt at being modern and neither with anything near to an "ethos" (as someone put it earlier).
-- Edited by Wings1963 on Monday 20th of September 2021 04:53:29 PM
-- Edited by Wings1963 on Monday 20th of September 2021 04:55:56 PM
It may have more of a traditional ambiance but, as for an excellent place to watch football, you'd have to be watching E&B at the moment to be able to endorse that opinion...
Can't be arsed to quote trawl for this so in summary
1) Easy to say MG doomed from the start. Palace went tits but outwardly his Bromley involvement didn't. If you never give people a second chance, mistakes can't be learnt from
2) Bromley was the more recent and, on my visits, did seem an improvement on previous, so some regard for the fact that the same could be done at Welling was not unreasonable.
3) Talk is fine initially but actions are evidence. The modern world seems to hold more sway by the talk and be aghast when the evidence doesn't meet it even if the reasons are obvious. Not in this parish.
4) The evidence is of no consistent plan. DIY manager, spend loads, top manager, spend nothing, say nothing. All tried with varying outcomes. If the aim is known and there is a genuine sustainable plan to get there you'd probably stick with it through the ups and downs. One must conclude there is either not a coherent target or it is not the published one.
5) The time for talk is done. Even if the finances have changed completely I'll only be judging on coherent action going forward. If that is that there is no money, you can have a coherent plan to deal with that and do it to best effect. You need to explain that is the plan so at least its outcome and be judged as to whether that achieves its aims.
6) If anyone ever has the sheer brass neck to claim we are an elite club again, given that even in our most successful period we were never run like an elite club, they should be made to repair the terraces with a bucket of polyfilla and a nail file. That is the single most laughable statement in this entire tenure. If you lacked the balls to stand up against the League you can say something better than that utter horse manure. Elite is as elite does and it is unlikely ever to have residence at PVR, in this regime or any in the future. No delusions.
To conclude: Actions are hard currency and there is no credit left.
