And.....then we score

Seven bookings....including 1 for Feeny and 2 for the sending off

Not one to usually lean on referees as being a team supporter can influence your opinion.
However, that out there today was as inconsistent as I have ever seen.
Awful.

Good team performance and with eleven, could only see one winner.
Even with ten for most of the game, looked sharp.
Thought Payne worked hard, and the control to set up the opener was worth the entrance fee.
Coupled with the header onto the bar meant that he had to be in with a shout for MoM.

Tough call between him and young Cameron, who looks like a great prospect.
Starting 90 mins in a physical game like today, showed himself capable.

If he had gone down in the box following a poor challenge, think the referee would have had no choice but to award a penalty.
No, he would have never issued a penalty, but probably booked him for diving.

Glad he did try and stay on his feet and be honest.
After all, that is what attracts me to this level of football.

In summary, good team performance and left the ground satisfied.

Mr Hartley

You are being very rude describing long established supporters as "trolls". I think you really should consider why so many people are pointing out that your postal are unbelievably long and lose any effective points you are making by going off at tangents regularly.

The thread is entitled Concord v Welling match thread.
How about simply talking about what you listened to?
Being a West Ham supporter, thought this one might have been down your street

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They are very tedious at times

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 Sorry Mark, your post is the last two words too long.

A while back the Dartford manager gave an unintentionally hilarious interview throwing his own team under the bus in a manic-depressive interview, criticising everything about his team.

He's now done it again in his latest interview after yesterday's loss, which had me laughing when he said "I cant throw the players under a bus because Im throwing meself under a bus because I didnt do my job well today and I thought the players were blinking awful," It's on their site, Alan Dowson | Post Farnborough (A)

You get a little bit more licence to be hilarious when your side are performing well though to be fair and have had the odd off day.

Unlike getting dicked by Weymouth, Braintree, Chelmsford, St Albans & Dartford being awful against Fisher and celebrating points away at Ebsfleet and Concord like we've won the Champions League.

The manager can't help himself but to get involved in unnecessary nonsense constantly and we have players sent off week in, week out as a consequence of this awful leadership, which is constantly putting us on the back foot.

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Must be hard for our manager to pull any player to one side for their lack of discipline, when his own is so poor. Did he really get booked again yesterday???

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 It was a nonsense booking yesterday to be fair, was done on reputation. Worst referee performance I've seen.

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 Perhaps so, but the reputation is there for a reason 

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A good point at the end of the day yesterday.  We look so much more comfortable playing four at the back and nice to see more mobility in midfield with the likes of Maloney and Andrews playing. Credit to Payne as well for leading the line on his own and for his assist in the goal. I am pretty sure 11 v 11 we would have won that game and there in lies our biggest issue....discipline  (or rather the complete lack of it...)

Including the manager we now have 7 red cards in 18 league games which is just ridiculous. Five different players have seen red and, of those only Dunne picking up two yellows at Ebbsfleet can count himself really unlucky in my opinion. To pick up two yellows in the first 20 minutes yesterday was plain stupid. What is ironic is that, in the four games that we have lost players, we have actually won 2 and drawn 2 but that's not really the point is it...

Our skipper has missed two games through suspension and, by my reckoning, can't be far off ten yellows and a further two game suspension. Our vice captain has missed three games with suspension and has been booked in both games since he returned to the team. Our manager has had two red cards and all three of them were booked yesterday - not exactly setting an example to the rest of the squad....

The referees this season on the whole have been poor, particularly yesterday and at Ebbsfleet and some of the yellow cards yesterday were bizarre. However we have "earned" ourselves a reputation as an ill disciplined side and I am sure word goes around amongst the officials at this level which probably means that they will come down harder on our players in general and we may not get 50/50 decisions go our way especially if they are berated from minute one on and off the pitch..

It's getting to the point now that it feels like the officials that do our games have already got some names in their book before we start and just tick them off when the time comes...?! I would be surprised if we don't have one of the worst (if not the worst) overall disciplinary record in the top 6 tiers at the moment..?? 

It's not good enough and people on and off the pitch should be addressing it.

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 Agree with pretty much all of that - our lack of discipline is costing us badly and the tone is set by the manager. I wasn't there yesterday but I was at Eastbourne and on numerous other occasions when he chooses to involve himself with refs, opposition officials and players, all absolutely needlessly. 

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A good point at the end of the day yesterday.  We look so much more comfortable playing four at the back and nice to see more mobility in midfield with the likes of Maloney and Andrews playing. Credit to Payne as well for leading the line on his own and for his assist in the goal. I am pretty sure 11 v 11 we would have won that game and there in lies our biggest issue....discipline  (or rather the complete lack of it...)

Including the manager we now have 7 red cards in 18 league games which is just ridiculous. Five different players have seen red and, of those only Dunne picking up two yellows at Ebbsfleet can count himself really unlucky in my opinion. To pick up two yellows in the first 20 minutes yesterday was plain stupid. What is ironic is that, in the four games that we have lost players, we have actually won 2 and drawn 2 but that's not really the point is it...

Our skipper has missed two games through suspension and, by my reckoning, can't be far off ten yellows and a further two game suspension. Our vice captain has missed three games with suspension and has been booked in both games since he returned to the team. Our manager has had two red cards and all three of them were booked yesterday - not exactly setting an example to the rest of the squad....

The referees this season on the whole have been poor, particularly yesterday and at Ebbsfleet and some of the yellow cards yesterday were bizarre. However we have "earned" ourselves a reputation as an ill disciplined side and I am sure word goes around amongst the officials at this level which probably means that they will come down harder on our players in general and we may not get 50/50 decisions go our way especially if they are berated from minute one on and off the pitch..

It's getting to the point now that it feels like the officials that do our games have already got some names in their book before we start and just tick them off when the time comes...?! I would be surprised if we don't have one of the worst (if not the worst) overall disciplinary record in the top 6 tiers at the moment..?? 

It's not good enough and people on and off the pitch should be addressing it.

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 Agree with pretty much all of that - our lack of discipline is costing us badly and the tone is set by the manager. I wasn't there yesterday but I was at Eastbourne and on numerous other occasions when he chooses to involve himself with refs, opposition officials and players, all absolutely needlessly. 

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 I cant believe Im doing this Im gonna stick up for Warren yesterday, I think the line that got him booked was give us a chance thats all I ask maybe with an F thrown in. But it was harsh in the extreme, as was the second yellow, a decent ref imo should have said to Nelson Ive just booked you dont make me have to spoil the game by sending you off. But he couldnt wait to get the 2nd yellow out. Whilst discipline has to improve massively, yesterday we was a tad unlucky in that department.

 

It was a good point in the circumstances, but still left me underwhelmed. Maybe I am expecting to much given our  apparent budget?

 

 

Refs obviously talk to each other via whats app or whatever and no doubt in that chat we have a reputation. It wasn't so much about the yellow cards we got yesterday, it was about the ones they didn't get! Absolute scandalous, if it was league football they would investigate it for betting on Yellow cards given. Apparently he was being assessed yesterday too, would love to see the outcome of that.

Besides all that I thought we played well, dug in and showed improvement against a in form side.

Oh and Mr Hartley, maybe read the room...
I don't think you making comments about people who have supported and done work for the club for about 30+ years is going to do you any favours.

I was at the game and have given myself a day and a half to reflect.  Even after that I am still disgusted with the appearance of a one sided official.  Most of our yellow cards were harsh and it took a really nasty tackle for the referee to caution a Concord player.  Cameron was particularly hard done by to have received a yellow card when in the previous 5 minutes to have been hacked down twice.  You only have to look at one of the pictures of the match to see the elbow of the Concord player around his neck.  For the record I cannot fault any of the Concord players as there was no element of rolling around looking for yellow cards - they didn't need to.

Some years ago, one of my wife's colleagues went to live in Ripon, where she married into the family that owned a pub with a name that sums up what I thought

By the way, if you are ever in the region, it is highly recommended.

As was mentioned earlier IF we had kept eleven on the pitch then I fancied us for the win, we was playing some good football with long ball and along the ground attacking plays. Then we get the sending off and just like the Ebbsfleet game we find ourselves on the back foot for the majority of the game. I thought the Referee was a disgrace, so blatantly one sided to them it was ridiculous, he decided he was going to be the focus of the match and I just hope the assessor's report will show that. I also agree that we are gaining a reputation and that will be our downfall unless its addressed now !!!. We got a point but could easily have had three.

Match highlights are now on the club site, I am really pleased to have a chance to catch up on the match I didn't attend. Looking at highlights, I've done my best to put any Welling bias to one side, and just look at Sid's sending off neutrally, but I just can't see what his offence was supposed to have been, in fact he deliberately pulled back to avoid giving the ref any chance of making a wrong decision, but the ref still made one.

As this is my first full season in non League I'm getting my head around standards. I looked at play from National League, to see if we are short of that standard, and we could hold our own if promoted, but the quality of refereeing in our division is wildly variable, whole matches are decided by refs making trigger happy wrong decisions on sendings off that affect the whole game outcome. Recent games were badly affected by mistakes, some by our players that led to us conceding silly goals, some by refs making excessively harsh decisions against us. But 5 of our next 6 games are at home, that may stabilise us, as I think concerns here about long balls have filtered through to the team, so we are now clearing more accurately, keeping more possession, and tightening up defensively as a result (conceded 1 goal in our last 2 games, conceded 3, 4 and 5 goals in our 6 league games before that).

I watched the highlights knowing Nelson got two yellows. When the second incident happened I thought to myself, well that can't have been it as he never touched him - then out came the red. Very disappointing. Doubly annoying for me as I had a 5 team accumulator and a Welling win was the only one not to come in.

Can I also give a big shout out for the highlights. Having decent highlights with the commentary synced over the top is a real bonus for us who can't get to many games. Thanks to those behind this.

4 times I've tried posting the link regarding Curran and for some reason it won't come up.

Anyway we wont see him on the pitch until about April.

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4 times I've tried posting the link regarding Curran and for some reason it won't come up.

Anyway we wont see him on the pitch until about April.

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 Available in January, isn't he?

The hearing was in August.