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New signing on loan from Leyton Orient, Daniel Nkrumah, is on the bench.



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On Tuesday evening, Welling United are in Vanarama National League South action when they host Farnborough 

Their disappointing defeat to Weymouth in their last home game was followed up by a well earned point at Bath City on Friday evening.

It was a difficult trip for a Friday, and many supporters questioned why Welling had agreed to bring it forward making it impossible for them to stay until the end if they wanted to get home by public transport. It appeared to affect the gate as Bath normally average over a thousand but this gate was only 774.

One positive is that it gives them an extra recovery day ahead of the Farnborough match. That may not be enough for Ade Azeez or Amadou Kassarate who both went off injured at Bath. Should that be the case, Welling will be down to bare bones and may need to call on players from the under 23s to fill their bench.

Despite, the injuries, the Wings still did well to come back from behind at Bath, even if it took a brilliant goal from Taylor Maloney to claim the point. After that Welling had three more opportunities but couldnt find a winner.

On the next afternoon, Farnborough also drew, having twice been ahead and twice conceded a few minutes later. Hisham Kasimu put them in front midway through the first half but Francis Amartey levelled for their opposition, Hampton and Richmond Borough, three minutes later. Ollie Robinson restored their lead on the hour mark but only four minutes had passed before Dean Inman equalised.

Away from home, they have won three, drawn two and lost four, their victories coming at Cheshunt, Worthing and Weymouth. They also won at Sutton United in the F.A. Cup first round so they should not be taken lightly.

 

This will be their first visit to Welling since February 2013. In that season, Welling won three nil away before the return match was won two-nil by the Wings who were on their way to the Blue Square Bet South Championship. Anthony Acheampong opened the scoring six minutes before half time and Ross Lafayette ensured that Welling would claim all three points twenty minutes into the second half. 

 



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We only played with any passion in the last 10 minutes.

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If the owners arent going to have the bottle to sack him, he should do the decent thing and walk.

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Just in case you have all forgotten the definition of win is.To be successful or victorious in a contest. I have to be honest I had to Google that.



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The clubs being run by people who are not qualified to be running it.

The recruitment is appalling, the manager is woeful, both the style of football and the results are just dire.

Feeney has to go and the people responsible for signing this lazy rabble of a squad have to take responsibility and go as well.

Get a manager in with experience and a track record at this level, with contacts and a vision. Back your man then and allow him to build his own squad, with his own players that he can live and die by.

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Riverstown wrote:

Just in case you have all forgotten the definition of win is.To be successful or victorious in a contest. I have to be honest I had to Google that.



-- Edited by Riverstown on Tuesday 6th of December 2022 09:59:38 PM

 True, but I don't think we need reminding what the definition of purgatory of is.



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After this evening I think I need a psychiatrist, World Cup football on tv, but I go down to PVRd, on a cold December evening, gave up queuing for food and watched my team loose yet again, without much fight or spirit.       Why?

The guys with the white coats will be here to take me away soon.



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We played a one dimensional average side and could not cope. As in all leagues you have good sides, average sides and poor sides. From the evidence of late we are clearly a poor side. Whether this is due to recruitment, poor management or a couldn't care less attitude I'll leave it to someone else to decide. What is clear that unless things change we will become relegation fodder and please do bring up that old chestnut about how much better we are than last season. On present evidence we clearly are not and it appears to be costing us a whole lot more money!

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Same **** different day, Whoever is signing that shower of **** should walk as should the manager. Thank F**k I work most Saturdays so I dont have to watch it regularly.



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Feeney needs to hang his hat on the comments he made about relegation being a disaster for the Club. We're sleepwalking to Step 3 at the moment.

The list of Clubs above us in the form table is nearly as long as his list of post-match excuses.



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RonF wrote:

We played a one dimensional average side and could not cope. As in all leagues you have good sides, average sides and poor sides. From the evidence of late we are clearly a poor side. Whether this is due to recruitment, poor management or a couldn't care less attitude I'll leave it to someone else to decide. What is clear that unless things change we will become relegation fodder and please do bring up that old chestnut about how much better we are than last season. On present evidence we clearly are not and it appears to be costing us a whole lot more money!

 Exactly this.  A poor team struggling to compete against poor teams of late.  Sack the fraud feeney.  He isn't personable, not credible, not humble just rubbish bar one season in the Bulgarian sponsored by the mafia corruption division 1



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The late conceded goal rather distracts from what was, apart from the last 10 - 15 minutes another uninspiring performance. I was thinking while watching the match I am not even disappointed these days, just resigned by now to that sort of game from us.

This forum has a reputation with some of being toxic, but I read through all 301 pages of posts here to get a feel for the club history, and think Welling fans are fair and just say things how they see them. With so many knowledgeable fans here with such football experience here what is said is well worth paying attention to. When some weeks ago some here were talking of relegation, when we were comfortably midtable, I thought that was an overreaction. But now when one looks as things more carefully that isnt that unlikely.

Defensively we aren't great, only four teams have conceded more than us. It is now 13 games (2 and a half months) since we last scored more than 1 goal in a league game and while watching tonight from kick off onwards I was thinking to myself I couldn't imagine us scoring twice because of the same old problems that Warren is blind to, so wont fix.

They say madness is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. Well, for a couple of months now he has pretty much played the same players in the same formations with the same results of losses and draws, and seems to be sleepwalking towards relegation and/ or dismissal. Always blaming the players for results, wondering why morale is low, when everyone but him can see it is because of his inflexible negative and cautious approach. Warren's track record as a manager makes this all very predictable, but I will write that another day, hopefully feeling more positive because right now I am just sick of the continual mess out there.



-- Edited by Johnny Hartley on Tuesday 6th of December 2022 11:04:09 PM



-- Edited by Johnny Hartley on Tuesday 6th of December 2022 11:05:32 PM

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Johnny Hartley wrote:

The late conceded goal rather distracts from what was, apart from the last 10 - 15 minutes another uninspiring performance. I was thinking while watching the match I am not even disappointed these days, just resigned by now to that sort of game from us.

This forum has a reputation with some of being toxic, but I read through all 301 pages of posts here to get a feel for the club history, and think Welling fans are fair and just say things how they see them. With so many knowledgeable fans here with such football experience here what is said is well worth paying attention to. When some weeks ago some here were talking of relegation, when we were comfortably midtable, I thought that was an overreaction. But now when one looks as things more carefully that isnt that unlikely.

Defensively we aren't great, only four teams have conceded more than us. It is now 13 games (2 and a half months) since we last scored more than 1 goal in a league game and while watching tonight from kick off onwards I was thinking to myself I couldn't imagine us scoring twice because of the same old problems that Warren is blind to, so wont fix.

They say madness is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. Well, for a couple of months now he has pretty much played the same players in the same formations with the same results of losses and draws, and seems to be sleepwalking towards relegation and/ or dismissal. Always blaming the players for results, wondering why morale is low, when everyone but him can see it is because of his inflexible negative and cautious approach. Warren's track record as a manager makes this all very predictable, but I will write that another day, hopefully feeling more positive because right now I am just sick of the continual mess out there.



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-- Edited by Johnny Hartley on Tuesday 6th of December 2022 11:05:32 PM

Apart from you reading all 301 pages of the forum ( if you did that you definitely are bonkers) your last post is the most sensible and understandable you have written. However whatever Warren is doing on the training field and the lack of reaction he appears to be getting from his training methods it also appears that some of the players are determined to throw him under the bus by basically running around like headless chickens. Sadly it seems some senior players are the worst offenders. 



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Lots of teams below us have games in hand, I think Slough, Cheshunt and Hungerford look relegation bound, and Weymouth look as though they might be able to make a recovery. We have all the appearance of one of those teams that can't get a couple of wins to save its life, so gets sucked into a relegation battle because all the teams below keep getting points and catch up and then overtake.

That stuff about us needing to remember we virtually rebuilt this season ignores the fact so have lots of other teams, and they are doing better than us. This match showed why we are in this position, I finally lost faith in Warren when I saw him play undangerous Medy Elito in attack, with high scoring/ high assists Taylor Maloney carrying on as a holding midfielder! Kai reverted to the dreaded (and ineffective) long ball clearances that just give the ball away too much, same old massive gap behind the strikers, just stupid decision after stupid decision after stupid decision.

Taylor Stefan and Ade have been in great goalscoring form this season, at around the halfway point of the season the rest of our current squad have scored five league goals in total.





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I live away most of the year and last night was the first game I have attended in person this season. Therefore it would be wrong of me to comment on players performances after one game. However I do feel I need to comment on the actions of the manager and the goalkeeping coach from the bench which were quite frankly appalling. I sit behind the home bench when I am at PVR and for the whole game the manager did not stop slagging off our players. Not once did he offer any form of encouragement or congratulations to any player. This is not acceptable. I appreciate frustration but how can he hope to get the best from his players when all he does is slag them off ? Also twice I heard the goalkeeping coach get off the bunch and shout to the players you are just a bunch of lazy cxxts . And for some reason the pair of them seem to have a huge issue with Chi who I understand from my friends who attend every week has been our best player ? So whats the agenda here ? If the Board do not want to make a change in management then surely they need to address these basic principles of management. I appreciate football is a different business from most and I know this from experience but this non stop belittling of our own players is obviously not working

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I have listened to the latest post match interview and ticked off most of my bingo card. The one that still really grates with me is the "look where the club was last season...." so I thought I would have a look...

Undoubtedly the club are making great strides off the field and we should all be grateful to the chairman and the board for their great work in all aspects of that. However on the field I'm not convinced so, with due deference to our regular statistician on here Mr Hartley, here are a few more...

Chelmsford finished 3 points ahead of us last season and are currently 14 points ahead of us with a game in hand and sitting in a play off berth.

Braintree finished 7 points ahead of us last season and are currently 9 points ahead of us having played the same number of games and also sitting in a play off berth.

To the best of my knowledge these clubs had a large turnover of personnel in the close season and probably don't have anything like the resources we now have...

When the current manager came in last season we had 10 league games remaining and our record was

Won 3 Drawn 2 Lost 5 - points 11

In our last 10 league games of this current season our record is 

Won 1 Drawn 4 Lost 5 - points 7

So, if I am reading that correctly, we are currently doing worse than last season with a bigger budget and better players..

Oh, and one last thing, Tonbridge beat Eastbourne 3-0 last night with Devonte Aransibia scoring his third goal in his last four league games for the Angels. You might remember the name - he scored the winner the last time WE won a league game on the 29th of October. I don't think he had joined the club the previous time we won a league game because that was back on the 13th of September....

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Lou Rob wrote:

I live away most of the year and last night was the first game I have attended in person this season. Therefore it would be wrong of me to comment on players performances after one game. However I do feel I need to comment on the actions of the manager and the goalkeeping coach from the bench which were quite frankly appalling. I sit behind the home bench when I am at PVR and for the whole game the manager did not stop slagging off our players. Not once did he offer any form of encouragement or congratulations to any player. This is not acceptable. I appreciate frustration but how can he hope to get the best from his players when all he does is slag them off ? Also twice I heard the goalkeeping coach get off the bunch and shout to the players you are just a bunch of lazy cxxts . And for some reason the pair of them seem to have a huge issue with Chi who I understand from my friends who attend every week has been our best player ? So whats the agenda here ? If the Board do not want to make a change in management then surely they need to address these basic principles of management. I appreciate football is a different business from most and I know this from experience but this non stop belittling of our own players is obviously not working

 

Not the first time this has been mentioned and completely understandable as to why we are not getting results. It just does not work in this day and age. Also explains why players spend half the game shouting back at or giving disgruntled looks to the bench. 

As for the season so far and the constant "look where we've come from" getting worse every week, a green spell in September is all that's saved us from being in the bottom 4 already and all we're doing right now is delaying the inevitable. A very sad state of affairs on the field that will completely destroy any work done off it and make for a bleak winter.



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I dont think we deserved to lose last night just as we didn't against Weymouth. However, Feeney needs to go. The lack of self belief that he rightly identified in his post match interview is the responsibility of him and his coaching staff. 



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Such a shame to see this season already start to fall apart after the optimistic start we made. I don't understand how Feeney is still in a job, the club can't go on much longer like this. Numerous problems have been mentioned on here for weeks now & not a single one of them appears to be being resolved.

Also found it pretty concerning to see how low the crowd was last night even with discounted tickets.



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Lou Rob wrote:

I live away most of the year and last night was the first game I have attended in person this season. Therefore it would be wrong of me to comment on players performances after one game. However I do feel I need to comment on the actions of the manager and the goalkeeping coach from the bench which were quite frankly appalling. I sit behind the home bench when I am at PVR and for the whole game the manager did not stop slagging off our players. Not once did he offer any form of encouragement or congratulations to any player. This is not acceptable. I appreciate frustration but how can he hope to get the best from his players when all he does is slag them off ? Also twice I heard the goalkeeping coach get off the bunch and shout to the players you are just a bunch of lazy cxxts . And for some reason the pair of them seem to have a huge issue with Chi who I understand from my friends who attend every week has been our best player ? So whats the agenda here ? If the Board do not want to make a change in management then surely they need to address these basic principles of management. I appreciate football is a different business from most and I know this from experience but this non stop belittling of our own players is obviously not working

 Welcome home Lou, sorry it was not a warm three points for your homecoming.

Bearing your comments in mind and how Feeney reacts to his players, I have just been reading about new Wigan boss, Kolo Toure's approach to management. The feature says, "The former defender, who won two Premier League titles during his playing career, plans to draw on man-management traits from Wenger and Rodgers. 'You need to love the players,' he added. 'You need  to like them. 'You need to make them feel important. They are human beings. The closer you keep them, the more respect you give them, the more they can give you. 'This is very important. Arsene Wenger was unbelievable at managing people."

I know Toure is untested in management waters, but for me, Feeney appears well short on man management skills.



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There is a brilliant YouTube channel www.youtube.com/@HighPerformancePodcast where they speak with lots of very intelligent analytical people to explore what brings around success, and how to deal with failure. Anyone interested in sport and how to be successful in it should watch the interviews there, as one learns so much from so many wise successful people sharing their lessons learned. One of my favourite managers is Eddy Howe, as the mark of a top manager is being able to succeed with limited resources against those with greater resources, and Eddy Howe did that for many years at Bournemouth, and would make a great England manager. Eddy Howe is interviewed on this channel, and like Kolo Taure, also talks about the need to show love towards ones players. Paul McGinley gives a fantastic interview talking about team building through getting to know your players personally and managing failure. One learns more from listening to winners than one does from listening to losers...

And this is where Warren has gone repeatedly wrong in his career, as he thinks football is the only thing that counts being a football manager, but he overlooks the MANAGER part, of communicating effectively in man management. When I managed in matches I used to scream at my players too, and never even thought how counterproductive that was, until I got feedback from spectators asking me to stop doing it, and then thought a lot about the whole situation, and realised my behaviour was causing problems that I was then irresponsibly blaming on the players, so learned to shut up in matches and limit myself to talking before matches, half time, and after. Results improved, as the players enjoyed finally being able to play without an idiot like me shouting at them what to do all the time. Hopefully the Welling manager will learn that lesson somewhere in his career.

Managing failure is a big problem at the moment with the team and the manager. If we go behind I struggle to remember when we have come back and got a result. So it is not a case of blindly supporting the manager, it is a case of working out if he knows how to fix the problems, and if he himself is the cause of the problems, and if he has the humility to learn from his mistakes and failures.



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