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Yet ANOTHER Red Card

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Yet ANOTHER Red Card

Good grief!


 perfect view of incident from shop. Never a card total accident ref is an absolute @@@@. Player injured got treated and didnt go off. 

with apologies to wingnut. I never thought I would agree with a post on Dartfords forum. The post was after their game at Braintree was nasty Team nasty fans. Agree 100%



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Ironically didnt see too much between the sides except understanding.
They had a team with a regular set up, and therefore understanding.
We have a team of loaners, and therefore no understanding.
As a team, as good as them.
The difference being, knowing where your teammates are, rather than that additional second looking up.
Azeez is not a centre forward good enough for this league. Neither is Payne.
Azeez is a good target man, but no Dipo.
Mid table is what the expectation was, and hopefully we will achieve our goal.
Expecting a greater crowd than tonight, will require a bit more excitement.

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You cannot win a game if you have no shots on goal. Cannot remember Sims having to make one save. A very disjointed performance, not surprising since you never know what the make up of the team will be from one match to the next. Braintree are no great shakes but they appear to have a settled side and it showed, I have no dispute about the result but I must say that the referee was awful, a fact which was capped off by Kassarate's sending off, he was shown a second yellow card for clearing the ball. He obviously fell for the Braintree players reaction. Need a much better performance on Saturday.

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Re Sending off, Kassarate tries to hook the hall Mathews goes in with head around waist level and gets the ball smashed into his face, no foul, ref fell for Matthews impersonation of Neymar. The reason Matthews didnt leave the pitch after treatment was because Kassarate was booked for the incident that lead to treatment.

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After a good away result this is just deja vous alla most home games this season. In fairness was okay first half and perhaps unfortunate to be behind but second half was poor.

Interesting comment about azeez above tend to agree I don't rate him that much but I wonder if that is about service as we constantly pump balls he can't or will never win. He has 13 goals so maybe I expect too much.

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Braintree are proof that with the right recruitment anything is possible. Ironic that two of Feeneys cast offs make up that squad.

The second goal killed us and the game. 



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FFS. OK, Let's go.

Warren by now has shown his limitations. He tries to cover them up with spin. But facts are facts. Last season we won 3 out of 10 under him. This season we won 10 out of 31 games. That is 13 wins out of 41 games. 31% wins.

His Wikipedia for his time with Welling says up to 7 January he has played 45 games, W 18 D13 L14 for a 40% win percentage. Really? Hmm, I wonder who posted those "interesting" results?

They say madness is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. The Slough manager after beating us said he knew what to expect from us. By now we are so one dimensional and predictable anyone can tell in advance who we will play and what formation, as he keeps doing everything the same, game after game after game.

Despite now only winning 5 out of the last 23 games.

This match was typical Warren. When we attacked it was two strikers, and at times a midfielder joined them, but our team has a lazy mentality of "let's leave it to Ade and Stefan to score", so don't push up in numbers to support. Stats show this is the case, the only guys in this hopelessly mismanaged team to have scored more than once are George, Taylor, Stefan and Ade. Midfielders scoring? Nah. No chance.

Diverting briefly, Wallop is totally wrong, Ade has been one of the few players to chase every bloody ball, close down time and time again, chase lost causes, and has scored 13 league goals this season so far, which is better than he has done anywhere else. To put this in context, Dipo scored 16 last season, so it is likely by the end of the season Ade will have outscored Dipo. Add on Ade's assists, and his high scoring in a team that doesn't create many chances for him, so he has to by and large create his own chances, so Wallop, I don't agree. He's carried the team pretty much singlehandedly in attack while Stefan has been being Stefan.

In the match tonight I watched Braintree PUSH UP IN NUMBERS when they attacked. We attacked with just 1, 2 and occasionally in the second half 3. That is the difference between us. And it has been the difference all season long, Warren usually has a back 5, 3 holding midfielders, a deep lying support striker, and Ade up front on his isolated own. Recently he has had another guy up front with him, but the central midfield are so far back they are a waste of time in terms of supporting attacks. As shown by Taylor Maloney being the only midfield player to have scored more than one goal all season! Yet Warren still can't see any of this.

Tonight we actually played with some slick passing, ok, never looked likely to score, no clear shots, their goals were a great "moment" of really good link up and shot (and maybe us not defending tightly enough) and a keeper error (which is fair enough as he has saved us countless times, so is allowed the odd error) and but for those two moments it would have been a well deserved 0 - 0 draw.

"We'll take each game one game at a time and see where it gets us" We won't change anything. We won't learn lessons. We will keep repeating mistakes. We will keep not winning matches. And we will never take responsibility to improve anything.

Despite now only winning 5 out of the last 23 games.


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Football is about opinions but Ade Azeez would be the first player I'd be trying to retain for next season. His finishing could be better but lets be honest, if it was he wouldn't be playing at our level. 



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My first home game for a while and thought the first 20 minutes or so we looked good. Cameron Andrews was dictating play a lot and was feeding our strikers with good balls. However when Taylor went off injured the manager moved Cameron back to sit in front of the back four and immediately our creativity seemed gone. I am not sure what other options we had to play that more defensive role but to change the role of our best player at that time proved a bad move. We then went for long balls which their back four managed very well and our threat gone.

I really hope for the game on Saturday Cameron is given the role he started with last night.

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Very much a case of one step forward and two steps back last night.

First ten minutes game was pretty flat but then we took control for twenty minutes, controlled the game and looked dangerous. Despite forcing a few corners and getting behind them a few times, I don't think the keeper actually had to make a save and he certainly didn't in the second half. And then one long punt forward, one unchallenged flick on and they are straight through to score. 

Second half they killed the game and it was very stop start and then another mistake and it's game over. I didn't have a view of the second yellow for Kassarate but it sounds harsh from what has been said on here. However the first yellow could easily have been seen as a red by some referees and we could and maybe should have replaced him there and then..?? Also what has happened to attacking the road end second half which has been our default for many years and would be even better now as we might be able to generate a better atmosphere attacking the covered end in the second half..?? And, apparently, we " lost in the right way" so that makes everything alright...

Now if I can borrow Mr Hartley's "stat hat" for a moment. It would appear that we have one basic tactic and that is to score first and then try and hold on to what we have. That's now 31 league games with 10 wins, 10 draws and 11 losses. Taking out the two goalless draws we have actually taken the lead in 19 of the remaining 29 games but won less than half of those games. In the 10 games we have fallen behind, we might as well go home as we have lost eight of them with one draw and one win (at Hemel back in August) We have heard a lot about our much vaunted fitness levels yet, in the last ten minutes (plus injury time) of league games we have been outscored by 11 goals to 3....

So, apart from showing that I really need to get out more, these stats don't make very pretty reading...



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And the stat relating to Dipo/Azeez. Dipo fought a lone role up front single handily having to create his own goals.
Azeez on the other hand has had a number of assists for his.
As for last night, he should have been on the end of that cross across the 6 yard box.
last weeks 1 on 1 at Slough was awful.



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Just referring to the ongoing disciplinary problems, a problem Warren doesn't get is you reap what you sow. I have only reffed once, and hated it, as both sets of supporters were on my back claiming I was favouring the other side in my decisions (which when one thinks about it doesnt even make sense as one can't be biased towards both teams). So I have a lot of respect for lines men and refs who put themselves forward for this thankless task.

I just guess about this, but let's say hypothetically I was an official, and I had a manager shouting at me, trying to undermine my decisions through the match, I'd get more and more pissed off at him as the match goes on. As an official I can't respond by arguing back. But I can get my own back by booking and sending off his players. And I think that happens with us, officials gradually get so pissed off, some Welling heavy tackles get unreasonably escalated to a booking. A routine booking gets unreasonably escalated into a sending off. It is noticeable lots of our red cards and bookings happen towards the end of matches, as officials are sick of the treatment they are getting, and snap, and that shows itself in bookings and sendings off. Transfermarkt hasn't updated its site with yesterday's result, but I guess Amadou's red card now puts him into the top 3 worst disciplinary records in the league, along with Stefan and James. The silly thing about it all is we are not even a dirty team, our bookings are for stupid easily avoidable things like arguing and blocking free kicks, but as the manager lacks self control it is not a surprise the team does too.

Sometimes players need very simple, easy to remember tactics. If Warren just told the guys, "right, when we attack we have our two strikers up front. I want at least two midfielders to push up and support our attacks" that would give us the extra players we need in our attacks, as we are so predictable and easy to defend against, teams have easily worked out mark out our two strikers and no one else scores for us, as everyone else is too deep. Yet the manager sees none of this, game after game.

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Serious question folks. Is there even one 18/19 year old footballer in the UK who has not yet played a month loan for us this season?!

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Johnny Hartley wrote:

Serious question folks. Is there even one 18/19 year old footballer in the UK who has not yet played a month loan for us this season?!


 Just going by the fact that there are 163 other clubs from our level to the Premier league and that there would be roughly 20 18/19 year olds on the books somewhere at each i would say there are 3,260 18/19 year olds around. Minus the 1 we had in Daniel Nkrumah I make it 3,259. 

This is just a rough estimate and not taking into account the man more playing at lower levels.



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In the first team I managed I always played 4 4 2, as it is such a safe, solid formation and was the fashion, so nearly everyone else used it. But as time went on I realised it was a silly formation for my team, as we didn't have any decent strikers, so playing 2 bad strikers was a mistake. So I switched over to playing just one striker, and that created a freed up role, so I told one of my players to play a roving role behind the striker but have the freedom to go anywhere he wanted to.

That transformed the team, as he was everywhere on the pitch, strengthening the midfield when needed, pushing up as an extra striker when needed, helping defence, suddenly making us stronger all over the pitch. Immediately after that change we won three games in a row 1 - 0, when results before had been less consistent.

So sometimes one small change to a team can totally turn things round. So that single tweak for Welling I have said several times, of getting our midfield to finally realise several of them have to push up and support attacks, and draw defenders to make more space for the strikers, and make our midfield score more, would transform and improve us beyond recognition and get us to fulfil our potential. I have always thought we have the right players, just being used in the wrong way.

Earlier in the season we regularly let in 3 or 4 goals a game, simply because we weren't closing down in midfield. We fixed that and stopped conceding so often. Now we just need to make a second change, that point of midfield being more aware of the need to support attacks, and play higher up, not all staying back as a shield for the defence, so we learn to fill the big gap we always have behind our strikers.



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Hey JH

How are Danson Park Under 11's getting on without you now?!!



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Hey! Have some respect! The Isle of Man Brownies 1895 All Stars somehow managed to survive my departure! I'm still waiting for Liverpool to ask me if I'll consider replacing Klopp, the phone will ring any minute!

Onto more serious matters, will we get 3 pints on Saturday? I hope we don't get 0 pints!

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The bar service is much better these days, so 3 pints should easily be achieved.

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