I'm sure I read somewhere that the Farnborough manager said this will be a tough match for them as almost all our players are pros. Is he right or just making some kind of point?
Really dodgy this one. If you listen to Spencer Day being interviewed about the Hampshire Senior Cup you will find out Farnborough is one of the biggest clubs in the county. I can only think Aldershot, Eastleigh, Havant, Portsmouth and Southampton are not that big.
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Farnborough boss, Spencer Day: It was fantastic result (on Saturday) so well enjoy it, but we have to go again on Tuesday night we need the supporters to turn up en-masse.
Welling are an incredibly well-funded side, they have some fantastic players, theyre nearly all pros and full-time and we know that theyre away form is better than their home form.
Another manager who has commented on our budget and calibe of players, Id be intrigued to see how many managers within this league think we have under achieved like the majority of us Wings fans do.
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Really gutsy second half performance. If we had lost that with the 80th minute penalty I would have been gutted.
Best I have seen us play for some time.
Azeez went off just after the second half restart and was replaced by Barnes.
That made us change our game to ball to feet football which was very refreshing to watch.
We can actually move the ball around very well when we dont lump it up to Azeez.
Papadopolis also went, so we was very short in attack, but still cut some good chances with Payne unfortunate not to get on the score sheet.
I am sure someone on here reminded me of the need to hold onto Azeez. Watch the highlights after he went off.
Regarding their talk of budget, nonsense in my opinion.
That club doesnt build a stadium like that without money.
As for players declared wages, many a team use cash as a supplement.
Lets not kid ourselves.
If we can play like the second half tonight more often, we will get bigger crowds.
Yet again a silly yellow from Payne, but up there IMO for MOM.
We are now only 8 points above relegation, and hopefully get some points in our remaining March games, as we have a really tough set of fixtures in April, and I am starting to wonder where we will get our next wins from.
March Concord Rangers, Weymouth, Taunton Town, Bath City, Chippenham Town,
April Hampton & Richmond Borough, Dover Athletic, Eastbourne Borough, St Albans City, Ebbsfleet United, Havant & Waterlooville
The frustrating thing is this is so predictable, if the club had bothered to look into the background of the Bulgarian season before he joined us they would have seen it was P 17 W3 D3 L 11 F 21 A 31
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is no surprise to anyone looking below all the false spin and statistics used as a smokescreen for constant failure and relegation after relegation after relegation, so just continues what had happened before as he stubbornly sticks to his unsuccessful methods and blocks out any wiser and more experienced views. The club clearly have no ambition if they keep him on, as there is no progress under him, so nothing to suggest next season won't be another relegation battle, which is also starting to become a danger for this season.
We are now only 8 points above relegation, and hopefully get some points in our remaining March games, as we have a really tough set of fixtures in April, and I am starting to wonder where we will get our next wins from.
March Concord Rangers, Weymouth, Taunton Town, Bath City, Chippenham Town,
April Hampton & Richmond Borough, Dover Athletic, Eastbourne Borough, St Albans City, Ebbsfleet United, Havant & Waterlooville
The frustrating thing is this is so predictable, if the club had bothered to look into the background of the Bulgarian season before he joined us they would have seen it was P 17 W3 D3 L 11 F 21 A 31 L L W L L L L D D W L L W L D L L
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is no surprise to anyone looking below all the false spin and statistics used as a smokescreen for constant failure and relegation after relegation after relegation, so just continues what had happened before as he stubbornly sticks to his unsuccessful methods and blocks out any wiser and more experienced views. The club clearly have no ambition if they keep him on, as there is no progress under him, so nothing to suggest next season won't be another relegation battle, which is also starting to become a danger for this season.
100% agree - I've stated clearly how myself and many of the other 'top up 500' feel so the club will only have itself to blame when they keep persevering with him and wonder why gates fail to rise much above 500 and this desperate, awful style of football that switches off so many
I was half mucking about yesterday when I said "tough tough place to come" but sure enough, there it was in the first sentence of his interview after the game. Does he believe that's true every game? Do his players believe that's true? Imagine listening to that same morose voice in the dressing room after each match and hackneyed lines like "we just that one goal to bounce in off someone" etc etc. Do we really think that's all we need?
It sounds like the players showed a lot of character in the second half but if I believe what I saw on the Twitter feed we could have already been out of it by half time. I also believe the Farnborough manager when he says we are a 'well funded' team - we are! There's absolutely no doubt about that. Are they paying players what we'll no doubt be paying to the likes of Payne?
Its such a shame that all the ambition and excitement off the field is being let down by an absolute dullard on the field
The problem is how low expectations have fallen under him, it is something like only 4 shots on target in the last 4 matches. He was happy that we kept a clean sheet against the bottom team (where we only had 2 shots on target, and they only had 1). I will be sending some comments to Matt and Mark by e mail today, and asking them to pass them to the board members as there seems to be a burying ones head in the sands to what has been going wrong for months now, and no sign that anything is improving, so the future is really worrying. The lowering crowds are simply because the football we play isn't attractive enough to retain casual fans, that is the problem the board have ignored for months.
To bring a little light to a depressing situation, I have just found a YouTube channel that has lots of classic football match vids, tons of famous matches I have heard about but never seen, quite extended highlights and some matches in full. It is an absolutely brilliant channel, bringing back so many memories, if you follow football there will be matches here you will love, on channel Classic Football Matches + www.youtube.com/@classicfootballmatches6167/videos
Take it easy and good luck everyone, we survived Covid and Boris Johnson, so we can survive Feeney!
I'd be worried about Saturday if I wasn't still trying to work out what the manager meant when he said, "We do things right but Im not one to go and what does people want me to do, go and gloat that were going to do this and come and give people cuddles? I dont work like that."
As usual he is bitter and angry, but it is hard to work out what he is actually on about. I hope the team talks make more sense.
We have 33 pints left to play for, and have won 3 out of the last 15 pints, and are 8 pints above relegation, with 6 of the 10 teams below us having got 6 or more pints from their last 5 games, so been catching up with us. Deep analysis of the situation leads to a surprise conclusion, we urgently need to score some goals and win some matches! We've Concord on Saturday who are bottom of the table, let's beat them, gloat, and give people cuddles!
I'd be worried about Saturday if I wasn't still trying to work out what the manager meant when he said, "We do things right but Im not one to go and what does people want me to do, go and gloat that were going to do this and come and give people cuddles? I dont work like that."
As usual he is bitter and angry, but it is hard to work out what he is actually on about. I hope the team talks make more sense.
We have 33 pints left to play for, and have won 3 out of the last 15 pints, and are 8 pints above relegation, with 6 of the 10 teams below us having got 6 or more pints from their last 5 games, so been catching up with us. Deep analysis of the situation leads to a surprise conclusion, we urgently need to score some goals and win some matches! We've Concord on Saturday who are bottom of the table, let's beat them, gloat, and give people cuddles!
Have you got a drink problem? You seem obsessed with pints. I like a beer or three but you need to go to rehab mate. Stay out of the pub and stay away from the pints. Your liver will thank you for it. Lol
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Concord may be bottom of the league but they have 4 games in hand over us and are only 14 points (pints?) behind.
Beware complacency on Saturday. We simply must start scoring, being pleased with a clean sheet is not what its about. Id rather ship in 3 or 4 if we score 5 or 6. Then crowd numbers would go up for sure.
Sometimes teams get relegated when they go into freefall and can't get a win to save their lives, so the teams below catch up and overtake, and that looks as though that is happening to us, as we have been in freefall for the past 5 months. The Concord game is a massive game, as despite them being bottom of the table they tend to only lose by 1 goal to the top teams, and tend to draw against lower teams, though they have only won once from January onwards.
Peter Taylor was sacked with 10 games left, after Concord we have 10 games left, so if we get a bad result against Concord it is harder than ever to work out what the board see in the manager, as he hasn't achieved the soft target of reaching the top half of the table staying in touch with play offs, and the unsuccessful past five months show there is little to suggest he could achieve those targets next season either. So Concord will be really revealing about the board's ability to see through a bluffer, hopefully they will finally see what everyone else can already see.
I can't imagine many non fanatical Welling fans wanting to get a season ticket for another season with this manager, I am unsure about my season ticket renewal, as it will just be another car crash of a season under him as he never learns from his mistakes so nothing ever can improve with him, and I dont want to be part of watching a guy self indulgently wasting players and fans time by him grimly and unsuccessfully trying to make his fantasy of being a winning football manager come true. There are so many things a manager needs to do to be successful, tactics, engagement with players, board, fans, I'm just not seeing them here, just lots of noise about long term plans. As soon as he is gone I would renew, as this is a great club, great fans, great players, great board, great people working for the club, just let down by a very, very poor manager.
Courtjester, I get what you are saying, I have been thinking about the situation and this misguided blind loyalty the board have. It is a bit like having an unfaithful partner who keeps screwing around and keeps getting caught, and thinking in response, "we must stay together, as loyalty is important," then they keep carrying on letting one down, until one finally realises it is hopeless, things will never change with that person, so it is no point being loyal to something that is not worth being loyal to. Don't forget, the manager has no loyalty, fans pay salaries of players and him, but in his often repeated view fans are just stupid people who dont understand football, so not worth listening to. And managers ignoring, abusing and insulting paying customers and serving them a poor product is never a good way to run a business, as customers lose interest and go elsewhere for better treatment and product.
I think the manager has had more than a fair chance to make his mark, and everyone knows this is a results business. Let a new guy come in before the end of the season so he can see the players in competitive league games and get an accurate idea of them, which one can't do from pre-season friendlies. Then hopefully more players will want to stay next season. And of course he will have better tactical use of the squad, as we get the basics wrong, and just a little fine tuning would turn this squad into a consistently winning team again. We've got games against Chippenham, Taunton, Weymouth, Hampton, Concord, who are all currently below us, but we rarely do well against lower teams (1 loss and 4 draws against these 5 teams so far) but at the moment our fate is still in our hands. Cheshunt and Taunton play each other on Saturday, and suddenly that game becomes important for us.
You're obviously entitled to your view and unquestionably there are floating fans who will turn up when times are good. But true fans support a club through good times and bad. People can express an opinion on here and on the terraces, but managers come and go but the club you support is always there. We've been through this many times before with far worse managers, in my opinion, but I'd never think of walking away. You've a lot to say but if you're truly a Wings fan then you'd presumably think the same.
Courtjester, this is one of those weird ones where there are lots of approaches, and none of them are perfectly right. I dont like stopping watching, as that is a bit defeatist, and bar one toxic individual this is a great club, so missing matches would be a real loss. But then I get so frustrated watching the football of this guy who clearly has no idea how to fix the problems he creates that it stops being enjoyable for me to watch. He does the same wrong things over and over, which obviously have the same poor outcomes.
I grew up in the punk era, challenge what you don't accept, so I understand this idea of get behind the club no matter what, but I don't agree with it, as one should try to influence make a positive change, not just accept things are bad and keep quiet. The "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem" thinking. The manager is an arrogant person who just ignores and blocks any criticism, so never fixes his flaws, so sadly it is impossible to constructively influence him in his self destructive career. But the board take a much broader view of things, so I have passed on some summary points to them, pointing out realities they have been ignoring for far too long.
Football management is less complicated than people present it as. At the end of the day, it is about effective man management, and getting 11 guys to run up and down a football pitch effectively.
Just to remind myself how good we can be, and to cheer myself up about this mess, I sometimes watch the highlights of our 5 - 0 win over Oxford. The manager is hopeless in his shape for the team, one guy isolated in attack, sometimes 2 guys, but never any midfield support behind them, so we dont score much.
In that Oxford match we got it all right, TONS of players pushing up to support from midfield, it is unrecognisable compared to the crap defensive shape the team now plays, where most now seem to play like holding midfielders. Also in that game we were playing down the wings, these past months it is just high long ball crap down the middle, without us playing to our strengths of wide play. So we had the winning formula in that match, but the manager immediately lost sight of that.
As a team morale building thing he should sit down and watch the match with the squad, to remind them of how good they can be, and to say THIS is how we have to play, midfield pushing up in numbers.
None of this dropping too deep nonsense from him, ffs play to win, not play to hold on to draws.
That game has the key to our problems, we did everything the right way in that match, do them again and this team would be a pleasure to watch again. GET MORE PLAYERS FORWARD WHEN WE ATTACK. That's what we need to improve in a nutshell, like we did in the only home game where we have won by more than one goal.
Very much the game of two halves on Tuesday night. First half we were second best in every department and lucky to be level at the break. Second half was a different story - not sure it was a tactical switch as much as an injury which forced a change in formation - whatever it was it led to a different team and some really good football for the next half an hour when we could (or maybe should) have won the game..?? Slightly disappointing to hear some thinly veiled criticism of Papadopoulos in two separate interviews while his fellow striker missed our two best chances and picked up another stupid yellow card but that didn't draw any comments....
We need to improve the home form as the manager alluded to and tomorrow would be a good time to start! Interesting to see what team/formation we go with but that may be dictated by injuries but we need to pick up where we left off at Farnborough on Tuesday.
I am a big fan of Antony's, he has been unlucky, pre season he was great, had a run of games, scoring a lot and full of confidence. When the season started he was unlucky to be moved around from midfield to attack, he has played a lot for us, but often put on with 12 minutes to go, so not enough time to make an impact. He went out on loan to Bowers and Pitsea, and made a great impact, having a run of games, scoring three games in a row, in a 1 - 1 draw, in a 2 - 0 win, and the only goal in a 1 - 0 win, and assists. Those results got them out of the relegation zone, so great stuff from Antony. A shame nobody seems to have noticed or commented on this at the club, as it definitely deserved credit, as scoring in an unsuccessful team is a challenge.
He then came back to us, and didn't even make Warren's squad in his first two games back, so all the fitness he will have got from playing a run of 6 games on loan wasn't taken advantage of.
I think the key with Antony is getting a run of games, which I know is hard when he is up against Ade and Stefan in attack, and the strange thing about Antony is it is not clear yet what his best position is, midfield or attack. But, like say Cameron, he is capable of so much if given a proper chance. I can see the penny has dropped with him to play really directly and go for goal, be a bit more selfish as all good strikers think, so I hope we see much more of him this season and that he gets a run of games he needs to perform at his best.