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I will start the ball rolling.

Possible contender Danny Bloor? Just left Eastbourne Borough. Seems they want a more data driven approach to recruitment using latest AI etc.



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Experienced guys as manager I think Steve King, as long as his budget is carefully monitored, though I think that overspending is rather a myth that has built around him.

Paul Doswell is available, he strikes me as very shrewd and experienced in this division, some reservations, but overall a strong candidate.

The assistant manager role is very important too. I had a talk with Keith Boanas about our end of season Under 23 game, and was so impressed with his tactical breakdown of the game, he saw things I'd not seen, and explained it so clearly to me that I could see what a good manager he is. I am not sure he would be ideal as the manager, as we need someone who already knows this division and the players in it inside out, as then he will know what sort of players we need to sign, but assistant manager would be a sound move.

Same with Sam Cox, he doesn't have the managerial experience at the moment, but knows the players, is a great coach, has great comms skills, and actually quite a few clubs in our league appointed managers who hadn't previously managed, so experience isn't an automatic requirement.

James Dunne showed fantastic leadership on the pitch in the last 8 games, after his brilliant YouTube interview that showed he can be honest about the team in a way no one else had been til then, so he could be a sound assistant.

The massive requirement though is for the board to look at the track record of a new manager. If one looked at Warren's record before joining us one would be hard pressed to see why we wanted him. I had a look at Ian Holloway's wikipedia entry, and his whole career is very average 33% - 39% win rate in his jobs, so if people actually looked at his record would they really think he was their answer. So let's hope it is not again just some old boys network managerial appointment, as Warren didnt have a National League South background, so I have never understood why he got the job in the first place.

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Go get Danny Bloor

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Mike Bassett.

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Danny Bloor did so much with similar resources. He's an odd, Dunkirk spirited fellow but it works.

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Mike Bassett.

 We'll end up with Bertie.



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Ted Lasso is free?

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Whats Jamie Day up to?

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Whats Jamie Day up to?

 Crawley Town



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Craig Belgrave?



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The more I have read about him the more I think Danny Bloor is the right man. He had several good seasons at Eastbourne playing good attacking Football with a young team on a modest budget. He was well liked by the fans and good in the media.

I wouldn't mind Steve King. I would be very disappointed with a young manager with no experience, I'd be expecting relegation if that was the case. It would be a wasted opportunity.

Blow the bloody Bloors off!



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Danson Mark wrote:

Craig Belgrave?

 That was our assistant for a while under feeney and king right?  Is he still at the club



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Craig left, it must have felt a bit of a madhouse for the players will so many voices Warren, Craig, Sam and Jayke and contradictory instructions on the bench confusing players (one saying push up, another saying drop back).

That great transfermarkt site breaks down players to have played under managers, and I was having a look at who Steve King has managed, and was interested to see he has managed Stefan Payne and Ade Azeez, as that shows the sort of knowledge of players in our league we will hopefully get in our new management team.

Danny Bloor walked out of his previous job because he didn't want to be overloaded with performance stats on the players, but that is a worry for me, as using technology as one of the tools to assess and sign players is quite sensible. It is a sign of the competitiveness in our league that these advanced tools are used.

I read the following somewhere which struck me, as I didn't know anyone had such precise stats on our League, and wonder where they are found online as it would be interesting to see how our players rate. "During the 2022/23 campaign, Fleet rose to ninth in Citys list of all-time appearance makers, while he also completed the most passes out of any player in National League South, with 2,306. Of those, 851 were forward passes. His overall total was 161 more than Worthing midfielder Kane Wills, who Fleet came up against in the play-off semi-final this season."

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Johnny Hartley wrote:

Danny Bloor walked out of his previous job because he didn't want to be overloaded with performance stats on the players, but that is a worry for me, as using technology as one of the tools to assess and sign players is quite sensible. It is a sign of the competitiveness in our league that these advanced tools are used.

 Tell that to Crawley fans! Sounds to me like an owner who has no idea about the realities of football at this level. It seems like he was pushed out by the new owners rather than leaving of his own accord so I don't think you can read too much into it.



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Go and beg Steve King to come back..best manager at this level bar none.
Id be surprised if he would work under the current conditions and with how it ended last time but you simply have to ask.

If he turns down the opportunity to come back then you ask that question again and have a look about elsewhere.

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Johnny Hartley wrote:

Craig left.

 Did he? When was that announced?



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I know I will obviously be seen as a leading candidate for our managerial vacancy, but I am publicly removing myself from consideration, as a back up for the overdue call from Liverpool I am patiently saving myself for the Glentoran role, as if I have read that room correctly a vacancy will soon arise, when they will prefer a totally unqualified Englishman Johnny O'Hartley to a former manager of their bitter rivals Linfield! It is a shame I am not taking over here though, as it stops me from posting demanding my own sacking!

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Craig left, it must have felt a bit of a madhouse for the players will so many voices Warren, Craig, Sam and Jayke and contradictory instructions on the bench confusing players (one saying push up, another saying drop back).

That great transfermarkt site breaks down players to have played under managers, and I was having a look at who Steve King has managed, and was interested to see he has managed Stefan Payne and Ade Azeez, as that shows the sort of knowledge of players in our league we will hopefully get in our new management team.

Danny Bloor walked out of his previous job because he didn't want to be overloaded with performance stats on the players, but that is a worry for me, as using technology as one of the tools to assess and sign players is quite sensible. It is a sign of the competitiveness in our league that these advanced tools are used.

I read the following somewhere which struck me, as I didn't know anyone had such precise stats on our League, and wonder where they are found online as it would be interesting to see how our players rate. "During the 2022/23 campaign, Fleet rose to ninth in Citys list of all-time appearance makers, while he also completed the most passes out of any player in National League South, with 2,306. Of those, 851 were forward passes. His overall total was 161 more than Worthing midfielder Kane Wills, who Fleet came up against in the play-off semi-final this season."

 It sounds like Danny Bloor was effectively sacked. I hope we get an experienced manger like him and that he is allowed to sign his own players. If we bring in a Tristan Lewis or a Paul Barnes I'd be very worried. 



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Chris wrote:
Johnny Hartley wrote:

Craig left, it must have felt a bit of a madhouse for the players will so many voices Warren, Craig, Sam and Jayke and contradictory instructions on the bench confusing players (one saying push up, another saying drop back).

That great transfermarkt site breaks down players to have played under managers, and I was having a look at who Steve King has managed, and was interested to see he has managed Stefan Payne and Ade Azeez, as that shows the sort of knowledge of players in our league we will hopefully get in our new management team.

Danny Bloor walked out of his previous job because he didn't want to be overloaded with performance stats on the players, but that is a worry for me, as using technology as one of the tools to assess and sign players is quite sensible. It is a sign of the competitiveness in our league that these advanced tools are used.

I read the following somewhere which struck me, as I didn't know anyone had such precise stats on our League, and wonder where they are found online as it would be interesting to see how our players rate. "During the 2022/23 campaign, Fleet rose to ninth in Citys list of all-time appearance makers, while he also completed the most passes out of any player in National League South, with 2,306. Of those, 851 were forward passes. His overall total was 161 more than Worthing midfielder Kane Wills, who Fleet came up against in the play-off semi-final this season."

 It sounds like Danny Bloor was effectively sacked. I hope we get an experienced manger like him and that he is allowed to sign his own players. If we bring in a Tristan Lewis or a Paul Barnes I'd be very worried. 

 I think you're find Paul Barnes at Hastings Utd so he's out of the running. 



-- Edited by Fat Cabby on Tuesday 6th of June 2023 06:05:30 PM



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Jesus!!! Can you imagine how long the half time team talk would be!!! Hahaha 

 



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When does pre season training start? If we dont have a manager by that date will Skippy be taking the sessions

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Steve King please !

I just about remember actually enjoying watching a game of football.....

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Steve King would be my 1st choice. Most successful manager in my time watching Welling United. He is very knowledgeable at this level, knows National League South inside out and has a strong contact book.

I like Paul Doswell, Danny Bloor as good alternatives.

Other options would be Jay Saunders but he's at Tonbridge Angels. That fella who has just become Glentoran manager.

Sam Cox as a think outside the box manager.

In an emergency then Sam Allardyce



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I'm not so sure about King myself.  Needs a huge budget, which we don't have, and maybe his circle of players/contacts aren't enough now.  Somebody new for me unless Jamie Day wanted it (won't happen).



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Too much to drink

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Blimey, it's times like this you really appreciate Johnny Hartley

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Careful now!

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Just a good drunk rant - off to bed so good night!



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I also heard similar theories...

No income tax, no VAT, no money back, no guarantee.

Shocking.

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Well, the qualifications for the next Welling manager have now emerged, football knowledge is irrelevant, but he needs to be an expert in Ukraine, covid, global warming, aliens, whistleblowing and French transport! In the job interviews this week I trust the board tested the candidates on these key issues affecting Welling's future. It is why Steve King is the prime candidate, I just can tell he knows more about these issues than anyone apart from J.

The half time team talks will be interesting, "guys, I know we are 0 - 2 down, but more importantly, what can we do to stop the French train drivers and the aliens from increasing global warming? And what can be done to stop the ref with his whistleblowing?"

Gawd bless yer guv for your vote of confidence Nigel! You can rely on me for posts that one time was even better than J's!

J's been too quiet recently, after his, "we shouldn't encourage women to take part in football" I was looking forward to hearing what else is on his manifesto, apart from gravity not existing, and being an evil government conspiracy!

Meanwhile, in a galaxy far far away, a new manager for Welling was being appointed...



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i agree with Polo what the hell has all this got to do with our next manager. I expect the board to offer the position to the best available candidate who applies. My own criteria would be someone who can bring out the best in our players, be able to unite the fans behind the team and bring the fun back to PVR. However I do not want to see someone come in who is going to bankrupt the club and send us down the pyramid to the dog and duck league division 6.

 

 

 

 



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I wonder if Gavin Rose might come into the equation???
Done a decent job at Dulwich and had a wealth of experience developing young players and would have a large book of contacts.
As far as I know he is still unattached.

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Wouldn't be too keen on Gavin Rose. The last couple of years at Dulwich he massively underperformed considering the budget and players he had.

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Gavin Rose would be a terrible appointment. He got Dulwich two promotions but with massive budgets but he failed in the National South despite more healthy financial backing.

Gary Elphick might be another option, he did a good job at Hastings. 

But I'd prefer Bloors or King. They are are proven managers at this level.

Edit: Another option is Ian Allison. He has always been a good manager and has experience of putting teams together on a tight budget.



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And an ex Gunner

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How about the very educated Jody Brown?

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And an ex Gunner

 A very good reason not to employ him then. Mind you Woolwich is local.



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Gavin Rose would be a terrible appointment. He got Dulwich two promotions but with massive budgets but he failed in the National South despite more healthy financial backing.

Gary Elphick might be another option, he did a good job at Hastings. 

But I'd prefer Bloors or King. They are are proven managers at this level.

Edit: Another option is Ian Allison. He has always been a good manager and has experience of putting teams together on a tight budget.



-- Edited by Chris on Sunday 11th of June 2023 11:58:52 AM

 For me we must have an experienced manager at this level. Bloor would be decent, don't think we have the budget this season that King would want.

 

What's Jody Brown up to?



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I don't just believe we need an experienced manager but management at this particular level is crucial. It's a level far above lower league football but requires many more disciplines than professional clubs including budgeting of the squad and backroom staff, scouting and training.

Danny Bloor also recognised the importance of building the crowds at Eastbourne which he achieved whilst playing entertaining, attacking football.

With Eastbourne switching to a full time model they are likely to have many players available.

Whilst Bloors knowledge may be more Sussex based that may be no bad thing with many Kent clubs like Ramsgate, Faversham and Sittingbourne now chucking money around in addition to the established clubs.

He also achieved what he did at Eastbourne with one of the lowest budgets in the league in a part time set up.

The priority for our club should not be throwing money at a team to get promotion. We should look to be competitive at this level and build up the average crowds to over 1,000, as expressed by Paul Whitehead. We can then look at improving matchday and non matchday income streams including a plastic pitch.

Another potential candidate is Daryl McMahon who won the league with E$$$fleet. But I don't consider winning the league with a huge budget to be a great achievement and he has since gone on to do an average job at Dagenham. 

I'd also have been interested in Steve Mc Kimm and Kevin Watson but they have just got jobs at Cray Valley and Ashford United respectively.



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I had another look at Southampton's Meet the board meeting, where they discussed qualities needed in appointing and retaining a football manager. The fans were unhappy as results had been poor and their manager alienated fans and threw the players under a bus (sound familiar!). The board said it was important for it to not have an ego, if they make a mistake on an appointment they must be open to quickly make a change to fix the mistake. They made some great points:

1. Before appointing a manager work out what sort of problems the team have on the pitch that he can improve.
2. What is the managers process? (Not sure our last two managers had a process)
3. How good is the manager's relationship with the players?
4. How high is the quality of training?
5. Does the manager show a high quality of day to day work to improve and achieve what the club wants to achieve?
6. How clear is the manager's plan on what we need to do to win?
7. The board should change manager when the board dont believe the club can improve any more with the manager.

I would add on get the view of fans, players and colleagues from previous club it is a red flag if the feedback is negative.

Sometimes managers are damaged goods, only available because they have failed elsewhere. Oxford got promoted last season with a manager doing his first managerial job, if no available experienced managers really jump out, giving someone their first managerial role (with a very experienced assistant manager) may be the best option. But the decision is due any day now, so the wait is nearly over!


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