Squarevanmanthesecond wrote:

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The Poet wrote:

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Our KSC match at Sevenoaks Town on Wednesday night is showing as a 7:30pm kick off on the Sevenoaks website.

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 Correct its shown as that on WUFC X

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 Aaah yes Dave, I see it has been amended on X, although the cover still appears as 7.45pm (on the outside google screen).

Losing 5-1 and could be 10. Absolutely useless, no one is trying and defence is awful. No one getting anywhere near the 1st team. Papadopoulos, Jones, Howard, Wood, Kassarate all so so bad and the striker is probably the worst player I have ever seen, and he scored. Pitterson is also having a shocker. Welling, you should be embarrassed.

-- Edited by 50p head on Wednesday 29th of November 2023 08:58:30 PM

I see its 7 now have we put out the under 11s

The match squad was like a pre season friendly one, with a mix of players who don't usually play together, so it wasn't a surprise we lost against a settled side. As we played mostly fringe players the result doesn't reflect on much on our league campaign, apart from reinforcing the view that our first 11 are fine, with some good back ups, but that we don't have significant depth below the first 11.

It is interesting to see the unpredictable rise and fall of different players in the squad as the season progresses, Kain gradually shined and made his way into the team, some of the guys playing last night, and others not playing last night, haven't made their mark, and may well move on, as the table shows squad, tactical and shooting accuracy changes are needed. Some of the guys I guess may move on would be a real surprise when one thinks of the pre-season expectations of them, but there are quite a few players that just don't make much regular impact when they play, that complacency I was talking about after Chippenham. But we are back to playing with our strongest team on Saturday, so come on us Wings!

The report states 'lacklustre' which is, realistically, a euphemism as this was an absolute shocker from the Welling lads. However, as can sometimes happen in these Cup matches, there were also heavy defeats for other clubs in this second round. Interesting to note that of the six matches played, thus far, all have been home wins.

Obviously, the FA Trophy is our main priority as far as Cup games are concerned but it would be nice if we could do well in the London Senior Cup (remember when we beat Brentford in the final - a fantastic achievement).

As we speak, the main objective is survival in the league and Danny Bloor is the man to steer us clear.

We are Wings!

I agree the league is a priority but getting blown out of the water the other night was surprising. 

We HAVE to enter them I think...requirement of local F A

It is all about staying in National South for me!

Get relegated it may be some time before we are back...some well funded teams below

Jimmie wrote:

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Football is all about opinions, though whether they are sensible is another matter. A few weeks ago there were isolated demands to sack Danny, then again after a recent loss. And it is actually good to have that consideration to avoid complacency, as it is no point having a manager so safe and fixed in the role that the results dont actually matter. But the challenge of setting up a new team in such a short time was massive, and if any of us fans had the managers job in those circumstances and got 20 points from our first 21 games, I doubt we'd think demands calling for us to be sacked were well founded. Havant have already sacked two managers this season, Dover sacked their manager today. So other clubs are already acting in the situation we are in.

Let's hypothetically say the club decided Danny had to go. That would then be a massive and dangerous gamble, as the new guy wouldnt know our squad that well, would no doubt make lots of changes to make his mark as a new manager, with no guarantee they would improve things and we would be back to square on that we started the season off with, a new manager, with insufficient time to prepare, with a newly assembled team.

By now we know what Danny offers, he has had time to get to know the squad, seen them in matches and training, so knows them inside out, knows who he wants to let go, to bring in players he thinks will improve the team.

So Danny carrying on makes overall sense. There will always be weird results like this heavy cup defeat of fringe players, but there are so many off the pitch financial issues the manager has to deal with, that have a knock on effect onto our squad and its depth. In context, it is an anxious time looking at the table just now, we are very inconsistent, at our best we are outstanding and totally outplay other teams, at our worst we are an embarrassment, but some lessons have been learned from earlier in the season.

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Sevenoaks Town - Kent Senior Cup thread!

Johnny, please keep on topic (barely 5/33). You could utilise the 'General Football Thread' as set up by your goodself.

N.B. "Demands to sack Danny" Not on this forum. True Welling fans back Danny. Some people love a wind-up though!!

WELLING TILL WE DIE... BLOOR, BLOOR, BLOOR!!!

Johnny, you still don't understand and appear confused. "Demands to sack Danny". There is nobody on this forum that has demanded the sacking of Danny - in fact we appear to be united in supporting him. You are talking about Twitter (X) and if you had just a touch of attention to detail you would make a remarkable discovery. Don't believe the hype! The clues were there in the previous post. Our supporters being extremely unhappy at Sevenoaks Town is a completely different thing and not one fan "demanded" the sacking of Danny. We were at the Sevenoaks Town game just like we were at Truro away at the start of the season (& many in between). We know you're not too keen on the away game front Johnny although we hear you love a bit of Bromley!

Johnny, it is imperative that you understand just how passionate football fans can be & posting ridiculous rhetoric such as "Demands to sack Danny" is hardly going to endear you to the Welling faithful, especially when you appear to actually believe it or even, maybe, surreptitiously endorse it. Who knows? Don't believe the hype! We've heard it all before with some of our previous managers, some straight up & some on the wind-up (there's one of those clues again). We did think you might be a ringer at one stage but will give you the benefit of the doubt as you did purchase a season ticket! You are a newcomer to the scene so try to get to some away games if you can as our away support is, pro-rata, one of the best in this league.

Like ourselves, there are many on here that have been all over the country with Welling United. Like ourselves, there are many on here that have tried to put you straight. Sometimes you listen and sometimes you don't. These people are not out to have a pop at you - far from it. We need all the fans we can get. Please listen to people on here as you will learn a great deal about non-league football. We aren't always correct either but sometimes things are glaringly obvious. There will be countless fans on here that have experienced the highs & lows of Welling United for many years and who also 'support' another team like CAFC/MFC/WHUFC/CFC/AFC/THFC or even THE VILLA (you know who you are!) and that list is not exhaustive. You talk about West Ham & Millwall but don't forget that the Welling area has always had plenty of West Ham & Millwall as neither ground is that far away.

So, in closing West Side Johnny, one weekend a few years back now, our little crowd went to:
Billericay v Welling on the Saturday (terracing)
Chelsea v West Ham on the Sunday (seating)

One was good but the other was brilliant
It's a grand old team to play for...

Remember: Don't believe the hype! (Not talking about RUN DMC either!)

Woah, Poet, slow down! You are jumping to all sorts of conclusions. And I won't even mention how off topic your post is!

As context, I go to matches with my son, and have to drop him off back to his mum's place after matches, so don't stay after matches, or go to distant hard to find away games (er... like Dartford!) so as a result the forum is where I do my talking with Welling fans. I am not quite sure precisely when, maybe October/ November there was some stirring of discontent on this here forum about Danny, mutterings like if things dont improve by December some difficult decisions will need to be made, and more direct negative comments. Twitter is very instant short knee jerk reaction, which I read just to see what the immediate views of fans are after a game. And from time to time that has negative views.

Last season I sent an e mail to the board that was passed on to them by Matt and Paul Whitehead in which I spelt out my concerns about the manager at that time, all of which turned to be spot on. When Danny was appointed I was impressed with the appointment, as we were lucky he was available due to the new Eastbourne owner's ignorance of football, which led him to release the proven highly experienced manager who had got them 3 top 8 finishes in a row, and replaced him with a first time manager who has got them 4th from bottom. So I sent a message to the Welling board saying what a great appointment they have made in Danny. At this level of football there is lots of inconsistency with players, but also with managers, so there are great things about our manager, also some not so great things. But don't only look at the constructive criticism I put forward, that may be unwelcome at the time but is invariably proven right long term, overall I have lots of confidence in him.

Even from my detached position I can see he has all sorts of obstacles to overcome that other teams and managers won't have. The great strength of Welling United is it is so straightforward, the fans, the manager, there is no spin to protect anyone. If one looks back, I was totally clear about my view about the previous manager, so I dont hold back, so if I thought the current manager should have gone I would have said so very clearly, surreptitiously talking is not my style! Now, enough of all this post's talk about Sevenoaks, time to focus on Brackley!

I had shown a link to Twitter, where, as I had stated, fans were saying sack Bloor. If you choose not to click that and see that evidence that proves fans had demanded he be sacked, that is your choice. I could easily cut and paste lots of the posts I am talking about, but it is a waste of time, as anyone can go to Twitter and read the comments after defeats for themselves.

Similarly, if one could be bothered to read threads of post match comments here after a bad performance one would see similar suggestions.

As I said, I dont agree with that view, but it is always interesting to see other fans viewpoints, whether or not one actually agrees with them. And all that is fine, it all prevents complacency and keeps everyone on ones toes, as my personal view is that Danny maybe had got complacent after 3 very successful seasons at Eastbourne so thought this Welling team could be run the same way, using the same formation that had been successful before. But actually it is a totally different squad, starting off much less advanced than the Eastbourne squad he had built up and recently left. So he has no doubt realised that, and recently been playing more adventurous creative formations to match the abilities of our players. There is so much potential in this squad, that they could well end up better than the Eastbourne team Danny built.

Before the season kicked off I thought to myself I had no idea where we would finish up, it could be play off, mid table or relegation, anything was possible with new manager and team. Play offs now look off the agenda, but staying up or going down is still in the balance. It is scary, as these days we have improved our results, winning, drawing and losing in equal amounts, so if we carried on like that for the rest of the 25 games of the season it would be roughly 8 wins, draws and losses, ie 32 more points, to add to our current 20, making 52 points, and with 50 points being the average safety we could squeak safety.

So Poet, sit down, have a cup of tea, and calm down, and stop trying to make an argument out of nothing, everything is fine, lessons have been learned on this team, changes made, improvements have happened, and although we seem inconsistent, maybe there is a hidden consistency that we now win draw and lose fairly equally, just that we can't accurately predict which games we will win lose or draw!

You keep criticising me by trying to put words in my mouth that actually I never said. For example, did I say they were Welling fans on Twitter? If you looked more carefully you will see I had called them "fans".

It gets a bit silly having to point such things out, so that is my final word on this thread.

All the best.

Anybody that takes the time to read this ridiculous saga from start to finish will see that we do not "keep criticising" you.

At least, you finally get the picture, Johnny. You were definitely under the impression they were Welling United supporters and even you cannot expect us to consider anything else as it would be completely illogical. Your last post is quite amusing though & we had a feeling that you may use this ridiculous defence which is a shame as we would have thought 'hats off to Johnny' if you would just have been straight.

Just be straight with people on here and your views will be valued. Some of the stuff you write is actually not too bad but you must realise that fans of other teams having a wind-up calling for our manager to get the tin-tac is exactly that, a wind-up. It's hardly relevant to Welling United Football Club though is it?

Imagine:

Fans demand sacking of Jody Brown at Billericay (turns out they are Welling fans)
Fans demand sacking of Alex Ferguson (turns out they are Liverpool & Arsenal fans)

You get the drift.

Now come on Johnny (you are not a ringer) Hartley. Let's have less sensational posts about fictitious Welling fans and more posts about formations and statistics. We love stats. Don't forget we still hold the record in the National South for something special.

Take your boy to some away games as well as home games if you are able to. They are special and the memories stay forever.

If the Wings are United...

I like Danny Bloor, in fact I even went to say hello recently, but thought better of it.
Wouldn't want to get into an argument of showing my true colours.
So following the recent Aveley game, simply stood behind everyone and put my thumb up.
Now, if I had put my thumb down, that would have raised a few eyebrows.
That's if anyone would have seen me.

Sorry, but just to fit in with this nonsense.
The bloke has got a team playing on a very tight budget with constant changes/loans due to injuries.
FFS, we got a forward from TNS who I was hoping may be the solution, and he goes off after 15 mins never to be seen again.
The football we are being served up, is like a breath of fresh air from past few seasons.
Anyone coming out with nonsense regarding his removal from PVR needs there credentials checking.

Just a shame we don't seem able to travel very well to the West of the country.

Courtjester wrote:

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I thought Mr Roscrow was due back soon, so hopefully he be seen again.....

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 That's what was said in a recent post match interview.