You join as welling34 make an email with welling 34 then come on here saying fans are going to do a hobbins out banner...
HAHAHA Erm russ and co are in bed with Hobbins so they wont do it and neither will anyone else, so in my considered opinion, maybe you are coming on here to stir things up ? We do have a record of some of the well known welling fans making up IDs on here such as wings on the brain and HARVEY to **** stir... Not another one surely.
If im wrong i apologise, but as a new user with a newly registered email address i smell a big rat!!
Yeah i agree hobbins out but everyone knows that, unfortunately the majority dont want him out for some reason. IF you are one of those making a "hobbins out" banner then identify yourself or the fans that want him out.
I cant see the point of your post to be honest.
-- Edited by JgFc at 17:38, 2006-08-21
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I am not on this site to stir things up!! It was a fact of what someone was saying at the game.
It was only mentioned that if we did not make the play offs, they would not blame Adie but the Hobbins for not funding the team. Now it then moved on to someone saying I would put up a banner with Hobbins out.
Now I disagree we do have the squad to make the play offs, but not enough money to stay in the conference so a new chairman would be welcomed.
Hobbins are old school but no idiots they would take a good offer if it ever comes.
Lets just say this if we beat Histon tomorrow then surely Hobbins must fancy us to make the play off's and have a bit of money put away for that final run in
The brothers are old enough and wise enough to know that we will have only covered 2.5 miles after Tuesday night and we won't hit the wall till 20+ miles.
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"The worst thing you can do is make a committment and not meet it and I understand that." Barrie Hobbins 14 August 2010
They dont want to go up , Joint top last year and said oooh top half is great and go for it next season.
The Hobbins just watched us slip away from the play offs. They will not GO FOR IT under any circumstances UNLESS they have a buyer set up lol.
Sorry but they shy away and un away from ambition... Riddle me this...
If Welling can challenge last year on a reduced budget... Then Challenge this year on a further reduced budget... BUT the hobbins try to handcuff Adie and Phil...
HOW GOOD COULD THIS CLUB BE in the right hands??
Adrian pennock and Phil handford, i have all the respect in the world for you but as for statler and waldorf, i wouldnt piss on them if they were on fire.
Ive told you all they wont go for it.. Fair play, Vines and Boateng seem ok... BUT thats down to Football Genius!! He had to go and find people from down the pyramid on low wages.
And thank Christ we have Adie and Phil cos if not i shudder to think.
Adie pennocks red and white army... Beat Eastleigh and give the Hobbins some palpertations!!
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Another thing, WHEN statler and waldorf go the fans will go the extra mile. People will rally. To be perfectly honest .People (Including businesses)will not bust their nuts helping the club all the time the Hobbins are there.
The club want to cut corners and take take take. Fair play to SOME of the WSU for trying to help BUT Even they are being taken the piss out of by the Off field activities of the Owner (And not forgetting our super dooper chairman!)
When the lads behind the goal take their tongues out of GH's bum i will be back...
But then that would leave one or two fans Who change like the wind look a bit silly billy from sitting on the fence on (sounds like!!) too many times and having no backbone or opinions.
HOBBINS OUT! and Welling will progress. I'm not wrong!
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My point about a new Chairman is we need someone pro active with a bit of spare cash, not necessarily a lot, at the helm to match Ade's ambition whilst leaving the brothers in situ. As and when they want to go hopefully a few corners would have been turned, we would be in the National, and they could retire happily in the knowledge that the Club was in good hands.
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"The worst thing you can do is make a committment and not meet it and I understand that." Barrie Hobbins 14 August 2010
I’ve read with interest the previous comments and have a few observations of my own.
Firstly, why would the Hobbins go? Read the history of the club and you’ll understand that it’s their life.
The club started as a continuation of a school team and I personally think it is a remarkable achievement that they’ve managed to do so much from such humble beginnings.
There isn’t enough money coming through the gates to turn the club into a fulltime professional one and to stand a chance of survival in the Conference proper you have to be fulltime.
Sure, you can mortgage yourself to the hilt and take a gamble and it’s very easy for others to suggest it but put yourselves in their shoes. Would you gamble your whole future on the possibility of success? Notice I say possibility. Nothing is guaranteed.
Every year you see teams that have taken that route only to fail miserably.
Secondly, who would buy the club even if it were for sale?
A serious businessman would know that there’s no profit to be made.
It would take a dedicated supporter with a lottery win or a millionaire businessman looking for a hobby to really make it work.
Do the figures yourselves: -
A squad of say 17 decent fulltime pro’s on an average of £800 a week. That’s over £700,000 a year. To get that through the turnstiles with say 25 home games a season you would need over 2300 every game at £12 per head.
With upkeep on the ground, a reserve side, youth setup, training ground, rent, Council Tax/NDR, utility bills, transportation and staff wages you’re looking at 3000 per game at the least (even taking into consideration E&B’s contribution).
And that’s a breakeven figure.
Let’s say transfers in and out would counterbalance themselves and there’s some profit to be made on a decent FA Cup run and from letting out the clubhouse. If you were a business man, would you invest in it?
Personally if I were the Hobbins and someone told me to go I’d reply with two words and the second word would be “OFF”.
This post from Alan S is one of the most sensible and simply thought through comments I have read for a long time. Its not rocket science but well put
The moment that someone says yes I can do that and better and I have the money and here it is and here are my plans is the day I will start listening to someone else. In the meantime the brothers are in situ and for all their faults you cant take away the history of where they have bought the club from and the fact that we are playing a decent level of football. More importantly we are in existance.
Personally I would much prefer us to be competing at a high level in the Conference South and playing good football than being hammered every week by full time pros on twice the money in the Conference National-wheres the fun in that?
Why dont we support whats there rather than poking someone in the eye all the time?
I’ve just re-read the thread and can see that my initial post was not best worded and may have been misinterpreted. I was certainly not supporting the ‘Hobbins Out’ lobby and any regular readers will be under no illusion as to my take on the brothers, but was wholeheartedly agreeing with JgFc on welling34’s motives, particularly since, like the banned user, he has not given his name when registering and has an anonymous email.
Whilst I wouldn’t say that I agree with Graham (with whom I’ve had more contact of late than Barrie) on all matters, which of itself is not unhealthy, I totally respect what the brothers have achieved with Welling United. Welling United has been their entire life for 40+ years, many of which have not been easy but despite that they still have that burning passion for the Club. However, in my opinion the years of struggle have taken their toll and I believe that the brothers are slowly winding down as can be seen by their wish not to be too involved with the youth set up and the lack of a reserve side which Graham told me was not down to cash.
Without meaning any disrespect the brothers are of the old school and we need some dynamism from within the Club to match that of Ade and Phil who are in my opinion working wonders on the pitch considering the financial constraints. This I believe could come from a new Chairman with the brothers remaining in situ as I stated earlier in the thread. Lets face it our current Chairman lives very much in the shadows and the vast majority of supporters would be hard pressed to identify him let alone name him.
I have never met Ade but I have closely followed what he has said and done and I don’t believe that he needs a great deal of money to achieve his and the Club’s stated aim of gaining National Conference status.
Without getting enmeshed in another ‘we earned/we spent’ debate I would challenge Alan S regarding the gates required to break even in the National. Last season’s average gate was 1,799 (6.2% down on the previous season) which is significantly less than his projected requirement of 3,000.
As far as having to make the move from semi pro to professional if were to join the National I do not believe this and unless Ade has changed his opinion expressed at the meet the manager night he would be willing to take a semi pro side into the National. I’m not saying that that would be his ideal scenario but that when Graham said that if we gained National status we would remain semi pro but train 3 days a week Ade was prepared to accept this. I don’t believe that as a semi pro side in the National we would reach the dizzy heights but I wouldn’t automatically assume that we would be relegated.
BKK’s point about supporting a struggling National Conference side is interesting. We struggled for years in the Conference yet it was seen as a minor disaster by the vast majority of fans (who attended in far greater numbers than now) when we dropped to the Dr Martens. The underdog syndrome where wins and eventual survival are a real source of elation?
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"The worst thing you can do is make a committment and not meet it and I understand that." Barrie Hobbins 14 August 2010
You raise a lot of interesting points. Mine really I guess is easier to equate with some of the Premier sides, Sunderland struggled without the resources but I guess their fans are enjoying the fight to get back again. Charlton struggled for ages until they established themselves. I remember the days in the Conference very fondly but I feel it has moved on since we were there.
I guess it comes down to resources at the end of the day and whilst I feel and Ade and Phill would make a good fist of it they would be hampered by not being able to compete with the big boys. My feeling is that on current levels we would always be trying to avoid relegation when in the last season and hopefully this we have been plying for promotion. I will still however be routing for us to make the play offs.
My guess is that Fisher being full time, having attracted the players, new stadium on the books and a big backer will be there or thereabouts this season even though its their first seson back. I hope I am proved wrong for the good of football and the Chelsea syndrome does not descend to our level.
welling 34, I suspect that I am a bit more long in the tooth than you and I have experienced many a campaign which started with the words "I don't want ... but...".
Looking at your initial posts in both threads which you have started and your wish to retain total anonymity it is quite possible to draw the conclusion that this could be the case in point. The fact that the second thread was started seemed to indicate that the message 'Hobbins Out' was wanted to be kept at the top of the discussion points as is the case at the moment. I think the message from those posting, with the exception of JgFc, is clear - there isn't a 'Hobbins Out' groundswell from users of this forum.
I accept that it could just as easily not be the use of reverse psychology and if that is so and I have ofended you I apologise.
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