Given That Adie hasnt had a budget increase (a polite way of saying his budgets been reduced THREE TIMES) . Plus weve done well in the Cup and had 80-100k in money, Plus sold Smudger and Boothy for hefty fees.
IF Danny Kedwell goes for a Big fee as is expected how much should go to Adie and Phil to bring in more players given the superb position that they and the players have got us into this season? We really are in a fabulous position and If Keds sadly goes we have a great opportunity to bring in 1 or 2 great additions and go for it.
Surely its a gimme that the Floodlights are insured (or blooody well should be if they were doing their job). Or will this be the latest excuse of why the club dont spend no money on the playing side. Or will some go on the training ground debt? The Floodlight Debt? The 345 at Lingfield Park?
As i said No more excuses, we dont ask for the world just a fair crack. My own view would be 25% of Dannys Fee.
Sensible replies gents, feel free to vote the money should go to the hobbins and debate your point sensibly. I personally feel they cant keep binning the money and reducing budgets. I still believe the Owners do not want to go up.
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If youve voted or vvote just add a line or so on how you voted and why. Otherwise it looks like some made up vote. Just trying to see what the fans think of the current situation and if Adie and Phil and the players tremendous performances warrant the Owners support.
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I bumped into Barrie in the High Street yesterday evening,and he was quite happy to tell me how the situation with the lights was developing.
The Pylons are being removed by Thursday so the pitch can be prepared on Friday.
We then need to obtain three quotes for new lights and apply to the Footbal Foundation for a grant towards the cost.If we can't get new lights in place before we play an evening game we may well have to use another ground.
I did'nt ask him what caused the pylon to fail,but it's obvious to anyone that the winds we had that day would not have brought it down unless it had a fault in it's structure.
All the other pylons are still standing but need to be removed for safety reasons.
Please tell me how the club or anyone else in that situation could make an insurance claim.
Insurance does'nt cover wear and tear,and the floodlights are well past their sell by date as the club have been saying for years.
As my dad is in health and saftey and has dealt with floodlight pylons etc. i can speak with SOME KNOWLEDGE on this.
The Pylons have to be checked every year for safety reasons and to get a certificate. You can also insure against ANYTHING and certain policys would have to be taking out by the club to get a ground licence.
Polos, lets say the winds are high and that whopping big tree falls in your garden, through your roof and you have full insurance, Do you not get paid out.
I did enjoy your post it was good and sensible, thanks. HOWEVER, we have seen the club bank money and spen none and cut budgets, all ive said is should Adrian get money from the Keds sale, the votes so far suggest yes. I gather you disagreee with that and so does spud?
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I have no problem With Adie being given money to invest in the team.
However first and foremost we need a ground that meets the regulations and a strong finacial infrastructure within the club that will keep us afloat for years to come.
That is what I think the brothers are doing and making a very good job of it.
I would think that as regards insurance, the one pylon that blew down should be covered including clearing up the debris. The other pylons however would go down to wear and tear.
Hopefully the Football Trust will help out and anything else I assume will be paid for by Welling and E&B.
Totally agree in that the ground needs to be made first. I voted 50-50 but that is with my heart rather than my head as obviously a lot depends on cost and what we get in.
We are also making the assumption that Keds will go and the window is a long way off yet
Yes I would like Ade to be given funds ( I beleive we paid an undisclosed fee for Steve Harper-when was the last time we paid out for a player. Derek Brown springs to mind but then I stand to be corrected?) but common sense must prevail. I am sure that Ade and Phil will understand that
Despite what appears to be frustration to many, the brothers have my full backing. They have the club at heart and will not throw away its future on a whim. I have always found them honest and open in my dealings either or on a 1:1 or at a managers meeting.
I have voted 25% though its a bit difficult to say with any conviction until we know both what we get for Keds (and if Ade is convinced he will go in the transfer window that is a good enough indication for me) and what our contribution to the floodlight replacements will be.
As far as the determination of the percentage goes I sincerely believe that Ade's budget should get a significant boost from any fee for Keds. I stand to be corrected but I believe that the only variations since he took the reins have been downward. It may be that he has been far more successful than was anticipated, after all his primary target on taking over was to avoid relegation. To deny him a one off boost from a significant transfer fee gained from a player he brought to the Club and developed is a kick in the nuts and to me clearly indicates the lack of ambition which JgFc speaks of.
We also have to recognise that we failed to have a significant Cup run this year though as I have said before we would be able to make that up with one or two friendlies against League/Premiership sides. Perhaps sides could be approached now to see if they would send a side to help us raise cash in our hour of need.
I would have thought that as Spud said force majeure should apply to the pylon which came down but that would be the only insurance claim though I'm no expert and that any weakening to the other floodlights would be regarded as wear and tear and not subject to a claim. It could be worth a shot to see if storm damage which necessitates the taking down of those floodlights is covered since it probably by sheer luck that they did not join the other pylon on the pitch.
I don't know what the terms of the lease are but I would also try tapping up the Council who own the ground for a contribution irrespective of what those terms may be.
However slim the chances are surely any time spent on a couple of letters would be worthwhile.
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We paid a small fee for Harper but have covered that elsewhere with departures is what ive heard. Agree we need a good ground but can we not be realistic in seeing that no money from previous money raked in has been spent and that in our position we are in that Ade should get a few quid for replacements etc. We will be losing Bod and Danny get a big fee and is that more money to disappear?
I think i must be on drugs as no one else sees what i see. Ade has had reduced budgets, even when we were in the play offs last year! and that was after 80k plus fa cup money. All im saying is and please tell me if im way out. Show some ambition graham hobbins and spend SOME money. While we are in a agreat position.
Or has the lack of ambition of the owners spread to the terraces completely. Thank feck the players and Ade and Phil want to win and go up is all i can say. The Team and Managing staff are keeping this club going and giving the fans some hope. Where we ould we be without this group of players and Adie and his backroom staff. Right up the brown creek!
Graham said years ago he wanted someone to come in and change the club, he chose Bill Williams, at last we have someone in Ade whos dragged this club we love up by its neck and got us progressive, signing good players who would previously have gone elsewhere, hes stuck to budget and performed miracles. IF Danny goes for 40k and no money goes to Ade for a player or two then i will headbutt the wall and give up.
As i said before no more excuses. get behind Ade and the Team. Graham... the clubs going up whether you like it or not!
FORZA WELLING, Come on you Wings!
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I believe that 25% of Danny Kedwell's transfer fee should go to Adie to strengthen the squad with an emphasis on a quality striker BUT that percentage depends on amount that we have to pay towards cost of new floodlights. We must not get carried away with the idea of promotion and spend excessive amounts on the squad because the most important point is that we still want the Club to exist in 5 years time. We must not mortgage our future and need only to look no further than Hornchurch! Financially, Conference National now is a completely different animal than it was when we were relegated in May, 2000.
It is vital that the club remains finacially sound but that does not mean that the ambition of the club has to suffer. Why not speculate just a little to at least show Adie that you appreciate the excellent job that he is doing on a shoestring. Give it a go!. Adie has got the club moving in the right direction and it would be criminal not to support all that he has done. I feel that the owners may have worries about the future of the club if they achieve promotion but I feel that they should adopt a more positive outlook. I think that there is the catchment area to support a Conference Level club. If Charlton were to be relegated there may well be more local floating supporters who would chose to watch Welling at playing Conference Football than Charlton play Championship football. No one knows for sure what the future holds but I feel that Welling should grasp the nettle and try and get promoted if the brothers do not support Adie at this time I feel that he will go to a club that match his ambition and give him a chance to display his obvious talent at a higher level and that certainly would be a disaster for the club.
If we have been told that we must remain financially prudent, that extends to being insured for what we can realistically expect to cover as far as big items are concerned. I would also expect us to be lobbying the Football Trust hard as, if Lewes' ground classed as 'dire need', us without lights in the mid winter must surely be classed the same.
3 out of 44 clubs will get promoted this season. I really don't see what the problem in maintaining the impetus whilst being largely financially prudent. Even if you make the play offs, the chances are you wont get promoted but you have more than likely got more punters through the turnstile on the way and made more cash to cover the modest outlay, especially if a certain amount of that cash has already come in from a sale. Even if we did get promoted I don't think there would be any unrealistic expectations for the following year. 4th bottom would be just dandy.
The question is will the fear of the smaller probability (promotion) outweigh the gains to be made of the larger (a successful season but remaining in this league). Would be a real ballache after some of the past misadventures to admit Adie and the set up was too good for us but would be an even bigger infuriation to have the chance to find out hobbled from within.
To take JgFc’s point I think we can all see that no money has been spent on bringing players in for several seasons and from the ever reducing budget (since nobody has contradicted me I can say this with relative safety) we cannot be paying anyone let alone the whole team top dollar. Some may choose not to recognise the fact and we may or may not have been convinced as to the reasons for this by the arguments put forward about the budget and the action necessary to ensure continued football at PVR at the Meet the Manager night (though what was said still remains ‘secret squirrel/funny handshake’ stuff amongst those who paid their £6 for the privilege!!! Why?) or in private discussions with the brothers.
I agree with JgFc and Josh (sorry Josh the appointment of Curbs at West Ham has to make Charlton’s plight that much deeper) – we have got to speculate and go for it. If we fail to do so Ade will be forced to go to another Club where his achievement is recognised and his ambition is matched. Ade is the new broom that it was safe for all to assume from Day 1 that Bill Williams could never be (too close to the brothers and too entrenched in the ‘olde worlde’ which Welling to this day are one of the few remaining top non league Clubs to display).
I agree with JgFc that Ade and the lads are intent on going up whether the Club likes it or not and I believe that they will not be hobbled (great choice of word Stafford). If they achieve it as Stafford says “I don't think there would be any unrealistic expectations for the following year. 4th bottom would be just dandy.” A great many more of us than attend today enjoyed our Conference battles in the past and I can’t see it being any different if we return as long as the players play for the shirt as they did then and the current team do. Whether that is good enough to keep Ade and his team (which must surely be our aim), even in the short term, remains to be tested.
Only 9 votes despite the page being visited by a far greater number of readers!!!!
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I try to go to the Managers evening's to support the club but more importantly to try and get answers to questions and listen to what the owners and management has to say. It is sad that no notes or minutes are published as a result or even a summary of issues covered, although I dont know whether a lot of what is said is off the record.
Part of the charm of being a Welling fan for me is the closeness of the club and I am pleased when I am recognised as a supporter as I walk through the gate by either Graeme or Barrie.I often chat to Colin the groundsmand or Piggie or whoever is around. If I have a question or a thought or even to pass the time of day I am more than happy to do so. Barrie has often wandered around to the new stand where I sit and has been happy to chat with who ever will engage him. I do not consider myself as elite, part of the chosen few, a special one just a supporter who like everyone on here has an opinion.
I do wholeheartidly agree with you I would dearly love to see the club go for it and reach the plays offs to say that I was there when we did it and have seen the club go full circle from its conference days. How we would fair would be another matter and a whole new topic of dicussion. I can however seen a balance of opinion to the club's future and the playing side. Good to see that the club have said in the KM that the money for the floodlights would need to be found from elsewhere and that the budget would not be effected.
Keeping Ade and Phil will be a big challenge and unless we find a happy balance they will be out the door quicker than we would like them to be.
I have attended several meet the manager nights in the past and as I have previously stated I believe that the information should be made available to all after the event, be this a summary in the programme, on the website, local press coverage, a document available on demand or whatever, hence my comment ‘secret squirrel/funny handshake’. I know that an attempt to do this was made in the past but it never saw the light of day. I can’t run with the off the record suggestion I’m afraid since it was an open to all forum. One to one discussions with Graham or Barrie are a different matter and I know from personal experience that off the record background or time sensitive comments can be made or private opinions expressed and I have always respected this as I would expect anybody else to.
Non League football is by its very nature much more familiar, after all our total 2005/6 gate was less than half of the attendance for one match at the Valley and that is for many of us part of the attraction. Though to a large extent I have always pretty much kept myself to myself at matches I am acknowledged when I come through the turnstiles and on occasion have a brief discussion with Graham or Barrie. This carries through to the regulars that I chat to during matches, many of whom I have never actually exchanged names with but we know each other as regulars. I’m not sure that I have ever used the terms ‘the elite’, ‘the chosen few’ or ‘special ones’ since I regard all as fans who will express their views and opinions with which I will agree or disagree.
I haven’t seen the Mercury, for a few weeks in fact, but BKK quotes in his post that the club has said that the budget would not be affected. I read that as saying that Ade will not have to suffer a budget cut to offset part of the cost of the replacement of the floodlights. Whether Ade will get a boost from any transfer fee for Keds (which isn’t part of the budget but additional revenue) remains unknown which is what I would expect until it actually happens. You can have ideas about what you would do with a cash injection but to make decisions without knowing how much and when you will receive it would be foolhardy.
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