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if it goes tits up for him at Oldham, his next conceivable destination would be the Conference. Would you have him?



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I'd sign him - would give the club a bit of promotion too - no such thing as bad publicity and suddenly everyone in Welling would know there is a club in the area

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No way. At worst he is a rapist, at best him and his mate thought it was fine having sex with a drunken 19 year old. Shame on the football culture that created this era of players acting like porn stars and the football groupies that go with it.

I also wouldn't want to explain to my two kids what he did when they ask why he is getting abuse.

As for a second chance - forget it. If you're in the public eye then I'm afraid that's tough. Try being a painter and decorator where you won't get people paying to watch you undercoat walls.



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Given he lives 100s of miles away I think it an irrelevance anyway.

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Maybe not if the Malta story was true!

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No way. At worst he is a rapist, at best him and his mate thought it was fine having sex with a drunken 19 year old. Shame on the football culture that created this era of players acting like porn stars and the football groupies that go with it.

I also wouldn't want to explain to my two kids what he did when they ask why he is getting abuse.

As for a second chance - forget it. If you're in the public eye then I'm afraid that's tough. Try being a painter and decorator where you won't get people paying to watch you undercoat walls.


if only the normal pressure groups were as keen to find justice in Rotherham for rape rather than use a big broom to brush it all under the carpet....

but anyway he has an appeal coming up so I don't see why this all can't wait until after then. Plus loads of footballers play that have been convicted of worse eg killing a family drunk driving and running away from the scene



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Completely irrelevant because it's not going to happen. My short answer is no way!

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Its ok for McCormick and Hughes to carry on playing after they completed their spell in jail though?

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I love how people forget their morals when it comes to football

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I wouldn't want him or Hughes or McCormack for that matter in my club but Evans will get taken on somewhere at some stage whether here or abroad. I am sure we have had players who had criminal tendencies in the past although not as serious or as well publicised as Mr Evans case has been.

I give players stick week in week out regardless of their past crimes to be honest!

What really grated with me at the Plymouth game last year was the way the home fans almost treated McCormack as a God when he came on singing songs in his "honour" Whether they are supporting their player and/or trying to goad the opposition fans was not clear but it left a bad taste with me and others.



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McCormick is now captain at Plymouth as well. Ridiculous.

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I'm just baffled as to why this kind of witch hunt didn't occur when Marlon King was released from prison for sexual assault. Likewise as other's have said with Lee Hughes and Luke McCormick who actually killed people.

Ched Evans has done his time. If it's that big a problem why doesn't a club put a clause in his contract where X% of his salary goes to charity like rape crisis.



-- Edited by WingsTillIDie on Tuesday 6th of January 2015 01:14:51 PM

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No way. At worst he is a rapist, at best him and his mate thought it was fine having sex with a drunken 19 year old. Shame on the football culture that created this era of players acting like porn stars and the football groupies that go with it.

I also wouldn't want to explain to my two kids what he did when they ask why he is getting abuse.

As for a second chance - forget it. If you're in the public eye then I'm afraid that's tough. Try being a painter and decorator where you won't get people paying to watch you undercoat walls.


if only the normal pressure groups were as keen to find justice in Rotherham for rape rather than use a big broom to brush it all under the carpet...


 Well said!



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WingsTillIDie wrote:

I'm just baffled as to why this kind of witch hunt didn't occur when Marlon King was released from prison for sexual assault. Likewise as other's have said with Lee Hughes and Luke McCormick who actually killed people.


-- Edited by WingsTillIDie on Tuesday 6th of January 2015 01:14:51 PM


It may be as someone pointed out earlier, he has an appeal still to come, which means he still doesn't believe he did anything wrong.

 



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WingsTillIDie wrote:

I'm just baffled as to why this kind of witch hunt didn't occur when Marlon King was released from prison for sexual assault. Likewise as other's have said with Lee Hughes and Luke McCormick who actually killed people.

Ched Evans has done his time. If it's that big a problem why doesn't a club put a clause in his contract where X% of his salary goes to charity like rape crisis.



-- Edited by WingsTillIDie on Tuesday 6th of January 2015 01:14:51 PM


The problem being he hasn't apologised etc, but if he considers himself innocent and is appealing he can hardly apologise and in doing so partly admit wrongdoing.

That said, Marlon King doesn't strike me as a the sort of person who would show remorse, and as you say, he's had a fairly easy ride by comparison for a similar offence, and repeat offences too.



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What I find amusing in all this role model guff is that it okay not to employ him because he is a bad role model but at what point does anyone consider being a good role model for the legal system we have, i.e. you do the crime, serve the time, are not REQUIRED to apologise and are supposed to be rehabilitated (as I understand it, although I am sure Courtjester can correct me). Or are we not interested in teaching people the hard inconvenient facts of the legal system we have, just the soft, easy targets.

Football is not a proscribed profession for a sex offender. If you don't like the law, get it changed!!

Having read the rejected appeal transcript, it is a salutory tale of lack of respect for others and yourself, whether it be the presumption that sex can and should be had with anyone from casual acquaintance to complete stranger or that you should get sufficiently inebriated you lose control of yourself and your surroundings.

 

And that may well be a very valuable lesson to explain to your children if the role model (because not all are good) Ched Evans turns up on a pitch near you.....



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McCormick is now captain at Plymouth as well. Ridiculous.


 Easy to say from afar and I know nothing of the current situation to make a judgment. However the statement does make a presumption that there is nothing he could EVER do that would warrant atonement, say rescuing two kids and their parent from a house fire as an example maybe....



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Shows no remorse for his actions he can go back to his rock and stay there......



-- Edited by Polo on Tuesday 6th of January 2015 02:47:45 PM

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please remain from swearing on here. Even if you do shorten words to not spell it correctly!

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Its ok wont bother with forums anymore seems one rule for some and others fine to say what they want.

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Not the case at all, if there's swearing on here i ask to remove it, that's all!

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if only the normal pressure groups were as keen to find justice in Rotherham for rape rather than use a big broom to brush it all under the carpet....


 

What makes you think they're not?



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I am all for people being rehabilitated back into the community and given a chance if they face up to and are remorseful for what has happened.

Had he come out and accepted that taking advantage of a drunk woman was rape and admitted to making a huge error it may have taken away some of the resistance to him being welcomed back into football. By appealing he has more or less said that what he did was ok in his eyes.

Hughes and McCormack, regardless of what you think of them, have served their time and accepted the punishment which makes it slightly different.

Go back further and look how Tony Adams was re-embraced by the football community. He didn't kill anyone but that was more by luck than judgment and his initial crime was the same as the other two - driving while under the influence.

I think he has made himself unemployable in the current circumstances and anything he now says of being remorseful wouldn't be taken seriously

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Hughes and McCormack, regardless of what you think of them, have served their time and accepted the punishment which makes it slightly different.


 Why? He has accepted the punishment by doing the time whether he accepts the initial charge on not. Didn't have much choice and even if the appeal succeeds he will still have served that time.



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Moo wrote:
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if only the normal pressure groups were as keen to find justice in Rotherham for rape rather than use a big broom to brush it all under the carpet....


 

What makes you think they're not?


 It is obviously taking slightly longer to get the online petitions going....



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The most important question is how has his bird stayed with him.

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In reply to Stafford he had no choice but to accept his punishment. Had he accepted his GUILT then I would say he should be given another chance.

If his appeal is successful then that would be a different matter, but I don't believe it will and it would send the wrong message if it is.

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The most important question is how has his bird stayed with him.


 Difficult to understand why. My first thought was that she's a wanna be wag and likes the money. However,  it appears her family are minted (her old man is funding his appeal)

If I was her old man I wouldn't want her anywhere near him. Even if (and it's a very big if) he didn't rape the girl, he obviously didn't give a second thought to his partner. 



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In reply to Stafford he had no choice but to accept his punishment. Had he accepted his GUILT then I would say he should be given another chance.


 Which is an entirely different statement to the one you originally made. 



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If his appeal is successful then that would be a different matter, but I don't believe it will and it would send the wrong message if it is.


So, were his appeal to be successful say on an arcane point of law, which neither you or I might agree with, but is nevertheless the law, the wrong message you consider that would be given out is that the law is indeed the law even if it happens to be inconvenient to a current popular cause celebre.

The day that is not actually the right message, you and I had both better hope we never have cause to appear in court. And before you tell me how unlikey that is because you are a law abiding citizen, consider how many people in Zimbabwe once thought that and now, to their misfortune, know differently...

 



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Sky are reporting that he's agreed personal terms with Oldham and may play on Saturday.

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It does seem like, had he apologised on his release from prison, he would have found a club a lot more easily by now. Quite why that carries so much weight with the press in comparison to a prison sentence I don't know, given it would be very easy for him to grit his teeth and release an insincere apology. I'm sure he wouldn't be the first or the last. And if I were the victim I can't imagine an "apology" would make a blind bit of difference to me.

It would seem he wants to be proven innocent more than he wants to continue his career in football, although looks like he'll achieve the latter with Oldham anyway.

But would I have him here? No. Nor would I have McCormick, Hughes or King.

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With the events in France dominating the news heavily, Oldham will probably announce a deal for Ched Evans tonight, whilst everyone's distracted.

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For me he should concentrate on his appeal ....if he is adament he hasnt done it and forget about football until that is done!!

You can understand why he wouldnt apologise when he believes he hasnt done anything!!

Whatever the outcome the law should take its course!!



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Can't we find something about welling to talk about now? I'm bored of reading about him

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Can't we find something about welling to talk about now? I'm bored of reading about him


 Why was this thread allowed to be started and added to on this main site in the first place?  I seem to remember my posting about Jamie Day, and speculation about him moving to Ebbsfleet, was shifted promptly, not once but twice, to "off topic".  This, in my opinion, is far more off topic but is allowed to stay here, why?



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Agree Jeff , Why is he even getting airtime

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Agree Jeff , Why is he even getting airtime


 probably because we are inactive on the pitch for 13 days and we have a forum that commences with, "Coach travel to Forest Green"!!



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most interesting thread there has been on here for a while!

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Has been an interesting debate and I thought he might have dropped into non-league football but looks like Oldham are keen.

Stafford is right on the legal arguments but morally I wouldn't want him or others convicted of certain crimes at PVR. After all there's no legal requirement for any club to employ him.

Bit like Justin Lee Collins - on primetime tv everywhere, then convicted, not many have touched him since.



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