I would find it easier to agree with your opinion if the likes of the supposedly impartial J hadn't posted what they did about the bar.
Hardly suggests we have our eyes open to the obvious commercial opportunity of a local derby and are maximising the money that people WERE TRYING TO GIVE THE CLUB. Just because you don't like the messenger doesn't invalidate the message.
As for the performance, looked good on the vid, even if Smith himself admitted it was only 45 minutes. Pugh comes on good recommendation from a Gillingham colleague of mine so I suggest we maximise what we get out of him while we have him. We either need a permanent replacement or a fast moving car to get around the grounds to find the next loan replacement in the meantime.
I shall be travelling to Dorchester remaining to be convinced as to say we have blown hot and cold this season would be an understatement (even more so than usual). Sorry if that doesn't meet with the required hyperbolic reaction between good and bad....
Mark X - I find your comments are extremely boring. Just enjoy the victory over Bromley and stop having a dig at JGFC as usual! This Forum is supposed to be for constructive debate and not just for points scoring against JGFC which you tend to do most of the time! You appear to be super sensitive and not able to accept any criticism of the Club even if it is constructive criticism. If only you took the time to read JGFC's messages carefully, you would see that an awful lot of what he says is absolutely correct. At times, I agree that he tends to go over the top. Nevertheless, I enjoy reading his messages far more than yours as you are totally biased and seem to be unable to accept that there are problems in the structure and the commercial side of the Club.
I imagine that if the players read this they wonder what sort of a war zone they have stepped into. I have thought that often enough. It is however largely immaterial as unless you were one of the early 90s squad you will not have been around\will not be around for as long as this discussion\feud has been going on. If you disagree with all he has posted on the grounds he wasn't there, I'm sure there will be a few who have been there who will tell you some of his points are valid whether you are viewing from 5 miles or 5 feet.
With regard to the manager, I suspect it is low on his list right now. He, rightly, has the more important task of learning and implementing his job well enough to survive beyond Christmas (which, for what it is worth, he has some chance of doing). I'd be overjoyed if he emulated Adie, I suspect everyone else would too. Do you think we have learned enough that when, in those circumstances, his inevitable departure occurred we would not be back in exactly the same circumstances as this summer? I'd not hold my breath.
You missed the 14 years in the Conference. For those of us who didn't can you not accept that over a period of 15 years we have seen the same issues recur? Evidently not. Your comment about the radio 'detracting from revenue' seems to suggest to me that we still live in the world where we will desperately hold on to every perceived pound we have rather than potentially viewing it as a way of increasing revenue (or securing the revenue stream we do have). How much is the PR worth to your existing season ticket holders who may not be able to get to a game compared against one or two not turning up.We are not talking Bolton in the Uefa cup here. If a casual walk up doesn't want to go he isn't going to listen on the radio either, your season ticket holders probably would (and the club already have their money and I'd suspect they want it next year as well).
It is typical of this approach that you boil it down to raising money to make things better. Raising more money with the same prevailing mindset may paper over the cracks but does it really address the issues I certainly perceive that we have, the decisions just involve more money. It is the mindset prevailing at the club rather than the personalities involved that are the cause of debate. I'd like to know how you think this mindset has changed between the time of you being a member of the WUISA (which was largely formed on the basis that things could be done better at the club, hence its unpopularity) and now, because it is not obvious to the outside world. Please give me a constructive route to allow me to change that mindset!
Failing that, I shall probably take up your alternative suggestion put on many occasions to JgFc and sod off. It would seem that that is becoming infinitely preferable to retreading the same ground both on and off the pitch year upon year with little change or the prospect of it. And if the club are happy to see someone who has seen 439 of our games over the last 20 years take that attitude, I'll be more than happy going.
I hope, i really hope, that i don't offend anyone who reads this forum, as i am only a father of a player of the youth team (under 18's) from last year. But, and i mean this from the bottom of my football loving heart, i cannot see how all this online fighting and mud-slinging can help any team, be it premiership or sunday league! Personally i usually enjoy reading the bantor, albeit sometimes a lot more personal than i would like, but, and i know someone, somewhere will have something to say, as a lifelong Arsenal supporter, it lifted my heart more to see that Welling had done such a fantastic job against a strong team as Bromley, than it did to do the same against Man Utd as they have done to so many before. Please, just this once, give Mr Smith the credit he deserves on this victory, to help the team you lot say you support, so as to lift a team, that really does need a lift at this moment in time, to the heights of only a couple of years ago!
I hope, i really hope, that i don't offend anyone who reads this forum, as i am only a father of a player of the youth team (under 18's) from last year. But, and i mean this from the bottom of my football loving heart, i cannot see how all this online fighting and mud-slinging can help any team, be it premiership or sunday league! Personally i usually enjoy reading the bantor, albeit sometimes a lot more personal than i would like, but, and i know someone, somewhere will have something to say, as a lifelong Arsenal supporter, it lifted my heart more to see that Welling had done such a fantastic job against a strong team as Bromley, than it did to do the same against Man Utd as they have done to so many before. Please, just this once, give Mr Smith the credit he deserves on this victory, to help the team you lot say you support, so as to lift a team, that really does need a lift at this moment in time, to the heights of only a couple of years ago!
I don't quite see why you have posted this on this thread as I can't see that anywhere in this thread (or anywhere else for that matter) Smith is not being given credit for Saturday (or in my case for the fact that he might even learn fast enough to emulate Adie). With regard to the team, there are others who support more than I or less but I have been to enough games this season to know that we can be quite a good side when we don't beat ourselves. Please note that the manager has the same criticism so if you think I'm out of order you'd better have a word with him too!
If your real purpose is to try and wish the debate on the off field commercial activities away read other posts that think we were not commercially tuned in on Saturday. As you have entered this thread and were around last year and therefore have some experience of the club I'd like to know your view on it?
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And Mark, i did post after the win saying it was a good comeback fropm 1-0 down. I dont tend to ejaculate all over my ankles when Welling win a game (Rare as that occurance is). Sorry i havent been posting more in the last day or so, But ****ting, pints of blood tends to keep one of the pc/laptop.
Glad to see your blinkered club posts and opinion are still the same. If the hobbins go i will put strong claims as to why you should have nothing to do with any association or fundraising. You have the conviction of a dead worm and the vision of Helen Keller.
Given that you have now logged on 3 times since I posted the above (shows your last accessed time on the profile should anyone wish to check who's not turned up or who is being strategically quiet!) and haven't suggested any route by which I could change the club mindset, I presume you are having as much difficult as I in thinking of one.
It is typical of this approach that you boil it down to raising money to make things better. Raising more money with the same prevailing mindset may paper over the cracks but does it really address the issues I certainly perceive that we have, the decisions just involve more money. It is the mindset prevailing at the club rather than the personalities involved that are the cause of debate. I'd like to know how you think this mindset has changed between the time of you being a member of the WUISA (which was largely formed on the basis that things could be done better at the club, hence its unpopularity) and now, because it is not obvious to the outside world. Please give me a constructive route to allow me to change that mindset!
In my opinion, I agree. It's just not more money that would help the club. I've been going to Welling now for 23 years and the latter stages of our life in the conference things weren't that good off the pitch.
There wasn't a long term ground lease, no organised away travel, no community officer, poor pr, no regular meet the manager evenings, slow ground improvements - all good things to have at a club. For those reasons I joined the WUISA. Things did slowly improve though with some good decisions - closer links with Bexley Council, the appointment of a community officer, the ball court league, meet the manager evenings, more functions held at the club and elsewhere, junior sides, the charlton initiative and probably a few more things I can't think of.
BUT a lot of this work hasn't been implemented in the right way, followed up or new marketing/pr opportunities explored on the back of it. Is the half price offer for Charlton fans still going on? who is our community officer? Will the club be repeating the offer seen at the Bromley game?
I'm don't think we're back at square one - yet, but with Graham no longer here (who did a lot of the work involved in some of the examples above) I can't help thinking were heading that way with the limited staff at the club.
Is it by choice that we dont do anything off the pitch or is it lack of ability? If its the latter, we havent ever tried to solve our shortcomings, which leads me to believe its the former.
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Staff, leave him alone or you will be shunned to the darkside by the special ones. The MFB will be back once the little blip of out to wealdstone and a goaless draw at the leagues in form team dorchester have been rectified and we win a game so he can say "no no there is no problem, all will be ok. Ignore the infidels we have it under control."
He will be back when we win a game....
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