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Team Bath have resigned from the Conference:

http://www.teambath.com/2009/04/teambath-fc-resigns-from-blue-square-conference/

This is good news for Thurrock and Dorchester.  It will also be interesting how many turn up to the match on 21st April, knowing how little this now means to our opponents.

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So are they disbanding or dropping down the divisions?

Never liked the way they masqueraded student football as ultimately full time football on half arse courses but the principle of the club helping young players who have been released by league clubs back into the game was good in my opinion.

Anyway glad Dorchester stay up as a result - nice away day!!

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They have a few players from london dont they? Lets hope Andy and Dacky have spotted one that could do a job for us.

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Too true Tom, then hopefully we can exceed the good work AF & JD have done this season.

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WellingJim wrote:

So are they disbanding or dropping down the divisions?

Never liked the way they masqueraded student football as ultimately full time football on half arse courses



Having actually been to the place for 4 years two decades ago, sport was not run in a half arsed manner then and neither was the academic side. I have little reason to assume that has changed. By all means have a go if you don't like the American idea of doing further education on the back of sporting prowess but from what I understand it is a similar model and applicable across a number of sports.

http://www.teambath.com/what-we-do/courses-qualifications/

If it is the idea that some of these guys are not academic hotshots are doing undergrad degrees in what they are good at that grates, its not really much different to a mate of mine at the time. Was useless at just about everything else in life of academic or athletic nature but got a maths degree first with only attending 5 lectures all year in the final year. That did cause a riot as they threatened to withold his degree for non-attendance until it was pointed out it would then look like they were bitter that he could run mathematical rings round the staff with none of their tuition! We all have different skills.

The University made a decision years ago to be an academic centre of sporting excellence and have progressed that on several fronts. What I don't understand is why they have chucked in the towel and resigned from the league. The whole ethos is to give these people the best sporting training\competition they can get and they are not going to get that by resigning. If the Conference's objection is that they are alternatively funded I find that highly amusing since they have been prepared to allow clubs that have been owned
un by all manner of hoods, conmen, crooks and dreamers without batting an eyelid, throughout the history of the competition.

In the end it strikes me they are taking their toys home in a fit of hubris when it seems to me the better idea would have been to have continued playing at this standard and see what happens over time. After all, no one has a devine right to be good enough to be promoted but, if they kept winning the League each season, something would have shifted. As it is, I think they'll find difficulty in maintaining the football side of the centre of excellence through the universities competition alone. 



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I go to Bournemouth Uni and we have the usual university teams, all of which are filled by people who pay their tution fees and attend trials. Yes some have been given football scholarships. One guy I know had a trial at Arsenal so there are some good players there offered palces at the uni based on sporting ability but these are not that common. The difference is most of the players still pay tuition fees like everybody else and do not get paid directly or indirectly to play for the uni.

Now i dont have a clue about how Team Bath is set up/run but the squad that comeptes in Conference South does not play in the BUSA leagues which are the university sports leagues. Bourenmouth Uni has a team that plays in both the Hampshire county league on saturdays and the BUSA leagues midweek.

Surely there is a difference between a squad that is cherry picked from football league clubs discard list, placed on a course, and playing semi-pro football to those who apply for a university course, go to uni, and then attend trials to play for their uni.

Still I would agree that they should keep going as I said before. The concept is a good one giving players another chance but why not just set up an amateur type team, sharing the universities expertise, which they clearly have a lot of with their good sporting background. Rather than class it as university football when the players are not really their to study for a degree?!

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stafford wrote:

The University made a decision years ago to be an academic centre of sporting excellence



How's a sporting centre academic?

What about the signing of loan players?

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Anonymous wrote:

stafford wrote:

The University made a decision years ago to be an academic centre of sporting excellence



How's a sporting centre academic?


You tell me. That's not what I wrote.

 



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In order to properly debate this you need to know the percentage of the team that are enrolled in courses, a statistic I do not have to hand.

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According to the Conference's website, Team Bath were told that because they don't have their own ground they aren't eligible for promotion to the Football League. As they have no plans to change that by developing their own ground, they therefore aren't eligible for promotion to Conference National.

It would seem that because of this Team Bath have thrown their toys out of the cot & resigned. How they're funded isn't mentioned as a factor.

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A reasonable point. However, I'd like to see the distinction that separates them from us re ground ownership as, as I understand it, we don't own the ground and are not, I believe, described as primary tenants. 

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I would thgink that because WUFC have a 50 year lease on the ground there wouldn't be a problem with promotion should it happen.

I would imagine there are plenty of clubs above us that don't own there own grounds. Crawley for one.

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Here are some ground grading info as laid down by the conference. We would be ok - see point b below...

1.1 Security of Tenure1.2 Ground Share 

  • A:
    The club must either:
    • (a) own the freehold of the ground, or
    • (b) have a leasehold interest in the ground for a minimum of ten years, or
    • (c) possess an agreement for the use of the ground which is acceptable to The Football Association.

As for sharing.......lots of info. Perhaps Team Bath did not have a long term plan in place?

  • A:
    • (a) Ground sharing is permitted, but not in order to gain promotion or to avoid relegation. A ground sharing agreement should ideally have been in place for at least one full season prior to the grading inspection. (Consideration will be given, by the Football Conference Board, if the home ground of any club becomes untenable due to fire, flood or any other valid cause.)
    • (b) The Football Conference Board must approve any existing ground share agreement.
    • (c) The Football Conference Board will not generally approve any ground sharing arrangement where the club plays its matches outside the conurbation, as defined by the Football Conference Board, from which the club takes its name or with which it is traditionally otherwise associated
    • (d) Where there is a ground share between two football clubs, priority of fixtures must be given to the club playing at the highest level within the National League System. Any proposed ground share agreement with a Football League club would be considered on its merits.
    • (e) Where a ground share is in place with another sport e.g. Athletics, Cricket, Rugby Union, Rugby League etc, the football club must have priority of fixtures and full use of all the facilities on match days.
    • (f) No application for a ground share agreement will be accepted during the first three years of a club being elected into membership of the Football Conference, unless the conditions of paragraph 1.2 i) apply
    • (g) Any ground share application by a member club that does not fall within the conditions of paragraph 2 i) must be for a minimum of ten years with no option to amend the terms during the first three years of a ground share approved by the Football Conference Board.
    • (h) No application will be accepted from a club applying for membership of the Football Conference who is in a ground share arrangement as a sub-tenant or second user or similar arrangements where the club is not the leaseholder, own the freehold, or license agreement holder or main tenant.
    • (i) Short term ground sharing agreements will only be accepted if a club is moving to a new ground or their existing ground is being re-built or refurbished or deemed unusable due to fire, flood or other causes. The club must provide the Football Conference Board with confirmation that any new work proposed has full planning permission, that construction contracts with start and finish dates have been awarded subject to ground sharing approval and that the fundingis in place.
    • For avoidance of doubt, the term short term refers to a period of not more than 12 months unless otherwise approved by the Football Conference Board.


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