Yep one down - but Charlie Sheringham has scored two for Stortford at Hampton! If we don't get a point at least tonight then I think questions now have to be asked.
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Lost 2- 0 now confirmed, this is simply not good enough, we cannot keep using the injuries card anymore, I believe we have become tactically inept since Jimmy Dack left us.
Too many players turning out for the wings who are just collecting salaries, time to stand up and be counted that goes for Fordy and his team, we are now starting to get into the habit of losing, get rid of the work shy or talentless.
Time to grow a pair of bollocks wings and prove your worth!
yeah but whats the point of keep going on about sheringham? it doesnt help and if we are going to mention him we might as well start talking about kedwell or booth
-- Edited by J on Tuesday 8th of September 2009 08:49:14 PM
Ive wondered for a while as to how much we would miss Jimmy Dack. The more this continues the more I am convinced that he had a lot to do with our form last season in terms of contacts, coaching and tactics.
I have confidence in Fordy, he has the experience but he is being hampered by players just not doing their bit. Lee Protheroe will I am sure get to be a better coach but this is his first season, and Fordy needs some depth around him.
Indeed it is time to get matters in order before things get any worse. The worrying thing for me in Fordy's last interview was that we are already over budget which means someone going before he can get his target man in. Its a difficult balance at the moment but I am sure that Messrs Hobbins are doing all they can to support the situation.
Agree with many points and as Matt said time to grow some lads, four games and not hitting the net is not good enough and we have not been missing are strikers have we, Witnell for Hobbs with 35 minutes left? anyone at the game tell me what this was about reasons etc?
Letting players have one game, when a player who plays the same and has history with the club sits on the bench, when he is going to be here for the future? jokes aside Menga, the guy was worse then Ellis Remi? Staines away, Coaching staff etc? oh well just a few things i wanted to get off my chest, and J i see both yours and bertie pointers but as it stands now we must look ahead ad Charlie is not going to come to a club in the bottom three is he?
Am not able to go Sat but the next two games are vital and we all know it, six points is a must ...... but that would mean scoring wouldnt it.
Lost 2- 0 now confirmed, this is simply not good enough, we cannot keep using the injuries card anymore, I believe we have become tactically inept since Jimmy Dack left us.
Too many players turning out for the wings who are just collecting salaries, time to stand up and be counted that goes for Fordy and his team, we are now starting to get into the habit of losing, get rid of the work shy or talentless.
Time to grow a pair of bollocks wings and prove your worth!
Protheroe was turn inside out all game, slagging everyone off, when things went wrong. Clarkie ran all night, was unlucky in the 1st half, their keeper pull off a great one haded save. Hobbies is light weight up front, great running again off the ball. Think tonite was a what if, had Clarkie gone in......Faz looked good when on the left, but again no one in the middle to get on the end of it..Proth im sorry but i think its time to hang the boots up......... Matt your right in what you say, & with Dorchester wining tonight, they will be up for it on saturday with Sambrook out any idears ???
Ive wondered for a while as to how much we would miss Jimmy Dack. The more this continues the more I am convinced that he had a lot to do with our form last season in terms of contacts, coaching and tactics.
I'm beginning to think BKK may have a point regarding Fordy's assistant. An interesting fact I've just learnt is that Fordy's assitant at Gravesend was Adrian Pennock who only left to become our manager. Fordy resigned shortly after Pennock left. At Gravesend he clearly had a strong assitant with contacts, tactical awareness and coaching ability as pennock has proved by firstly doing well with us and by moving on to coach at a Premiership team.
With Fordy having been out of the game for a while I wonder whether his contacts book has worn a little thin. I think Fordy has his strengths and proved last year he can achieve results with our modest budget, and in the past with Gravesend's promotion on a small budget also. However I wonder if he has the quality in his right hand man he has had previously, to bounce ideas off (tactics etc) and help get players in?
Too right Boom Boom - I forgot the 0-0 draw. Still, it is good to look on the bright side. So, when I win millions on the lottery............oink, flutter, flutter, flutter.
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As someone who was there last night it was not good although final score did flatter them a lot. Two observations that I have.
1. James Lawson
As far as I was aware the poor bloke did his cruciate in a pre season game and is out for the whole campaign. I can only assume the players and management missed this as we smashed high balls at two 6' 3" centre halves for the entire first half last night. This is one of the smallest (and most lightweight) Welling teams I can recall and yet we persist with this tactic. (I should add that we passed it around more second half although with precious little end product)
2. Lee Protheroe
Firstly I don't think the game is the best place to try and have a coaching session. Secondly, as assistant manager he is entitled (on occasion) to chastise the players and give them stick now and again but NOT BERATE THEM FOR THE ENTIRE NINETY MINUTES. And incidentally, if you are going to do it, you better make sure that your own personal performance is beyond reproach.........It has been mentioned elsewhere that Dack is a big miss this season and this is becoming more and more evident.
As well as the shortcomings on the football side there was a distinct lack of team spirit last night which is vitally important at this level.
problem is Wingnut when you are losing games and confidence is rock bottom there usually isnt much of a team spirit and it takes a few wins to get it back - thing is we just need a couple of wins from somewhere as that iimportant fa cup is fast appraoching
Well said regarding the centre backs it was exactly the same when we played Newport, and as for Lee i think he is finding it hard to get used to coaching and the playing part, at Staines away when they scored and created countless chances it was down Lees side and for the goal he was having a chat about tatics etc at the time and was out of position, i fill it has to be one or the other for Lee.
I have to disagree about some of the comments about Protheroe - he had a good game as far as I was concerned - he showed some passsion which is more than most of the rest.
I think he was right to give some of the players a good taking to - to shout at his strikers - how did the central defender have time to bring down a high ball - have three touches and then play the ball without one of them moving towards him is a legitimate point and needed to be said.
I can't beleive some of the other comments here - I didn't see Faz do anything worth while - it doesn't matter if we have 4 6 foot 10 giants in the middle - if he keeps crossing high and wide there is no point in any one being in the box (and there were people there). It was rare that he even got in a position to cross the ball - he had normally lost it before then - one embarrassing moment - under no pressure he knocked it out for a throw.
Others were no better.
I think it is time that some people wake up and smell the coffee - this side is poor. It is also Any Ford's side and he needs to put it right. We have a squad and should be able to manage some injuries but the quality of some of the people we have playing for us is not good enough.
There were very few Wings fans there tonight - worrying if people are now starting to stay away as the footabll is so poor. I am not having a go at people for staying away but this could be start of a worrying trend.
Even if it is Jimmy Dack himself, he has a good point.
So Andy Ford played Football league at Gillingham whilst Jimmy Dack played top NON league with Sutton Utd - Jimmy Dack LEFT Welling, so why are we concerned about him, let the present manager get on with his job - if we are patient / injured plays return we will soon shoot up the division
Exactly, Dack potentially in my view has a much broader non-league contacts book having played as you say non league football for; Sutton United, Aldershot Town, Stevenage Borough, amongst others.
How many Gillingham players we going to be signing? Especially with the son of Gillingham Hess down at Dover. We need to be looking in and around our division.
Don't get me wrong I think Fordy is a good manager. But you cannot argue that some of his signings haven't paid off, Menga being a prime example. I feel we could have done with Dacks (or a similar proven assistant at this level's) contacts to help us get through this sticky period. You could argue Dack was behind the finding of Ademola and Arter, in truth we will never know without asking them but in my view I think Dack had a strong influence on them coming to us last season.
Also remember Ford had spent a little time away from football before joining us following quiting Gravesend, minus possibly a stint as assistant at Stevenage, can't quite remember.
Im not saying Fordy's s**t and sack him like some anons on here, just being constructive and honest on how I think Fordy needed a stronger more experienced assistant to help him, contacts wise, and bouncing ideas off such as tactics, rating potential signings
-- Edited by WellingJim on Thursday 10th of September 2009 10:10:56 PM
-- Edited by WellingJim on Friday 11th of September 2009 12:58:17 AM
WJ : Jimmy Dack does NOT want to be part of Welling (forget about him)
You say Lee has no experience as an assistant - he got to start somewhere. He has also been around the top non league football - so should have enough contacts to support Andy
I dont think it is all about contacts. I think it is about money. If a club has more money to spend an available player will go to that club. Welling doesn't have as much money as some clubs in this division so we are not going to get some of the better players.
But we have more money than others and a big catchment area (although I accept more competition). It doesn't explain third from the bottom. Teams with lower budgets are doing much better than us.
Exactly, Dack potentially in my view has a much broader non-league contacts book having played as you say non league football for; Sutton United, Aldershot Town, Stevenage Borough, amongst others.
How many Gillingham players we going to be signing? Especially with the son of Gillingham Hess down at Dover. We need to be looking in and around our division.
Don't get me wrong I think Fordy is a good manager. But you cannot argue that some of his signings haven't paid off, Menga being a prime example. I feel we could have done with Dacks (or a similar proven assistant at this level's) contacts to help us get through this sticky period. You could argue Dack was behind the finding of Ademola and Arter, in truth we will never know without asking them but in my view I think Dack had a strong influence on them coming to us last season.
Also remember Ford had spent a little time away from football before joining us following quiting Gravesend, minus possibly a stint as assistant at Stevenage, can't quite remember.
Im not saying Fordy's s**t and sack him like some anons on here, just being constructive and honest on how I think Fordy needed a stronger more experienced assistant to help him, contacts wise, and bouncing ideas off such as tactics, rating potential signings
-- Edited by WellingJim on Thursday 10th of September 2009 10:10:56 PM
-- Edited by WellingJim on Friday 11th of September 2009 12:58:17 AM
i actually really agree with this and think it's one of the better posts of late
Dick was our contact man and Ford was the manager and now Dick has left we are struggling in that department - i still have total faith in Ford and appreciate his interview where he says he fcked up but i do feel he needs a better assistant(especially hearing the stories about him abusing players which will only drive players away from us) but at the same time where is the money going to come from to get someone decent in?
Boom Boom, I know Dack has gone, and will not be coming back I was just using Dack as an example. When Fordy was at Gravesend doing well he had Pennock as his assistant. It shows Fordy can achieve wonders when he has a strong assistant to aid him, letting him focus on what he is good at.
And I acknowledge that Lee has to start somewhere, and I wish him all the best at becoming a coach. But from a selfish point of view I think we would be copping much better if we had someone taking some weight off of Andy, whos seen it and done it all before.
Admittedly nothing can be done about it now, with the budget so tight but I think not replacing Dack with an experienced head was possibly one of Fordy's few mistakes. In my opinion the management team are just as valuable as any player.
