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It is now almost five months that Bishops Stortford has enjoyed the services of Charlie Sheringham without having to face an FA Tribunal to settle the compensation. In that time Charlie has become BS south top scorer and scored the two goals that gave Stortford victory at PVR.

Surely this disgraceful delay can be no longer put down to the FA moving office?
I think questions should be asked, beginning with the Non League programme tonight.  Time also to lobby your local MP, the Minister for Sport and the FA itself.

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hear hear, I will be emailing the FA this evening and moaning at them Tim Robbins in Shawshank Redemption style.

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I believe that the tribunals remit is what compensation is due to us in respect of our investment in Charlie while he was with us ELB and thus however galling his post Welling record may be I don't think it is considered.

From a purely personal perspective I cannot understand why 6 months down the line the matter has not been resolved by the FA and in my view is unacceptable.  The FA Rules are very complex and you need to be a lawyer to make head or tail of many of them but I think that unless the League Appeals Committee is a separate entity with its own terms (which I can't find) outside of the Arbitration Rules the tribunal should have sat within 119 days.  (Sections C and K of the FA Rules are the relevant sections if anyone wants to try and get their head around the matter.)

We all know that the FA moved offices but being generous and allowing a month's delay for that and allowing a month (which was the time it took to resolve the amount of compensation for Danny kedwell) we should have had a decision 4 months ago. 

Can you see the FA treating Manchester United in this way?  Of course not, yet the impact on a grassroots club like Welling is surely far greater and as pointed out by Kevin in another thread in the extreme the compensation payment could make the difference between a club surviving or going to the wall.  Heaven forbid but should the club get into severe financial difficulties how could account be taken of an  unknown amount (realistically a five figure sum in the opinion of those who have posted on the forum) which we are due to receive from Stortford when the FA tribunal have met to determine the level of compensation due?


-- Edited by bruno on Monday 30th of November 2009 05:39:31 PM

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exactly exactly exactly, echoed echoed echoed ... lets do something about it ... one voice carries no weight, lets all start a campaign, it will be money in the coffers for improving the team.

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Probably something that would get picked up by websites/media - outside of our club/league people don't have a clue what goes on....and everyone loves a pop at the FA :o)

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Who is going to organise things then? We need someone to take charge. I nominate Trigger :D

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Im happy to get the ball rolling .... I love a good moan. Cant do it today, but will spread the word tonight at PVR versus Chelmsford and the campaign starts tomorrow 9am sharp. Come on !!!

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Have this morning emailed the FA, will let you know if/when I get a reply.

Bruno ... for the time being could you make this section a "sticky" as I have linked the forum chat to the FA email and the more support and comments we can get on here the better. Thanks.

Paul Green - if you are reading, please get in touch on this forum ... is it possible to get some sort of brief coverage in the paper ... again, more support means more chance of success, and sooner.

thanks
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Glad to see someone is doing something about this. Hope we get our money soon :D

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Viva la revolution !!

No problem Dogme, its been dogging me for ages.

More pressingly, I want the FA to do something about it rather than me ....

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Update, of sorts ...

The FA have not disappointed me ... their reply was slow and nothing more than passing the buck ...


Dear Kevin
 
Thank you for your email. It would be up to the club to pursue this and in the first instance they should contact the Blue Square Premier.
 
Kind regards


What a load of old tripe ... dont worry, Ive gunned her back .. more news to follow soon Im sure.

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latest ...

Hi

I emailed Wednesday 2nd Dec 2009 to which I received an email this morning doing little more than passing the buck. The FA, forgive me if I am wrong, are the governing body of football in this country and therefore should be doing something about this.

This transfer was in the close season prior to the start of the 2009/10 season, and now  five months later a tribunal is yet to be done. This is unacceptable in a time when the club is having to cut its budget, whilst it is owed money by another in the same division who are prospering ... largely due to a player they are yet to pay for !!

I have already passed these comments on to the club, and to the local press, in order that this injustice is resolved. It needs to be done eventually, sort it out now.

I await a more substantial and constructive reply rather than "contact Blue Square Premier" which is all I have been given thus far.

Thanks
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Add weight to our case, have your say here ...

http://www.thefa.com/contactus

Its the best support you can give the club financially ...

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I think I will contact an old chum at the Daily Mirror about this.  No promises but it is worth a try.  Meanwhile, I think Wings supporters should write to the Non-League Paper about the delay in the FA tribunal hearing.

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We don't know what you wrote Kev but I think we have to be clear that we, as supporters, are solely concerned about the amount of time it is taking to settle the matter which in our opinion is to the detriment of the Club we support. FA bashing will get us nowhere and could have a detrimental effect when the tribunal finally sits.

It would appear that what the FA is saying is that the 'League Management Committee' (comprising a representative from the Council as Chairman, a representative from the management committee of the appropriate league or leagues, and a representative from the PFA) referred to in its rules is in fact the responsibility of the appropriate League. If that is the case why is it part of their (The FA) rules and not the appropriate League's (in this case the Blue Square Premier), why is the matter referred to the FA for resolution, and why is it an FA tribunal decision?

As far as I understand it registration for the Conference South is for the current season only and therefore has to be renewed annually. Given this fact in my opinion the situation we are facing would have been avoided if registration for the new club was not active until the compensation had been agreed and paid. If this were the case it would be in the receiving clubs interest to ensure that compensation payment was determined by whatever means necessary. As things stand at the present time there is no incentive for the receiving club to resolve the matter since the player (in this case the League's top goalscorer) is free to play whilst the players previous club's budget has not been compensated which can only be to its detriment.

Just to add to the equation what happens if the receiving club is unable to make the compensation payment? In the present scenario what would happen? In the case of Charlie Sheringham Stortford will have had the benefit of his services for more than half a season and he has made a significant contribution to their results. Would his registration be suspended until a side able to pay the compensation determined came in for him? Would Stortford be penalised in any way?

In my opinion an unacceptable situation has arisen which is totally out of kilter with the FA's original intention of recompensing clubs for their investment in developing young players.

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Spot on, Bruno.  This is what we should be telling whoever has an ear to listen. It is the delay, and anomalies arising from it, with which we should be concerned. It is also a chance for somebody in one of the County FA's to make a name by attempting to change FA rules accordingly.

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Bruno - Your a REAL pro (we are lucky to have a respected guy like yourself)

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how about contacting Gerry Sutcliffe the Minister for Sport. the government has been concerned about the slow pace of change at the FA

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All very good and worthy guys - but can't our club go through the proper routes?  I love you guys for getting things moving, the same as when I read fans discussions about setting up our online shop etc, but we should not be in this rag and bone situation.  There is a management structure at Welling and therefore they must initiate and look after the overall programme whilst giving us fans the opportunity to chuck in our ideas and get involved.



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Dogme wrote:

Who is going to organise things then? We need someone to take charge. I nominate Trigger :D



My dear Dogme, I know full well that I am indeed the person to take the lead here, but I am too busy at work to spare some quality time elsewere.
I've never been so busy, I thought there was a recession on.

 



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There is a lot of people not knowing what others are doing at the club, with regard to the people helping and fundraising.

The people that give their free time seem to have no cohesion or anybody rounding them up.
I can see that Barrie and Barry are rushed off of their feet but this is why clubs have Commercial Departments and the like. We seem to have Barrie and Barry organised then everyone else is doing what they like, with little communication or structure or organisation.

Not a Dig, we just need a few less Chiefs and people accountable and managing those who are assigned or who have chosen to action something.



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i was speaking to a Stortford fan at work today and he said that the Stortford fans were unhappy with Sheringham and he was looking to leave them.

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What's Charlie been up to now then?

Surely if he leaves Bishops Stortford he'd have to come back to us, seeing as we still own him. If he went to yet another club, then that would make things really complicated :O

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Dogme,
It has to be said that fans views are just that views and they may or may not be shared by the Club so I wouldn't read too much into them.

As far as Charlie goes we do not own him (and to be pedantic we never did - we employed him.) His contract expired, he didn't take up the offer of an extension of that contract and was free to negotiate a transfer to another Club. He signed for Stortford who under the FA's rules owe us a compensation payment as he was under 24 at the date of his transfer.

Certainly in my opinion it would add to the issues arising from the delay in the determination of the amount of compensation due to Welling if Charlie were to leave Stortford before a tribunal sat since it would presumably negate the potential for the inclusion of a sell on $age which may have been awarded if the tribunal had sat earlier.


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I notice in the NLP that a club (Guisely, I think) is concerned that it has had to wait since October for a transfer tribunal hearing.  Get to the back of the queue behind us!

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I have heard that there is another case and this one is in the Premier League. Apparently a compensation payment to Man City has not yet been determined in respect of Daniel Sturridge who could not agree terms and subsequently signed a 4 year deal with Chelsea.

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T'is true Bruno. Thing is, although not right, Chelsea and Man City can wait a few months and it not effect them in anyway. Welling and Guisley however could suffer serious consequences as a result of the FA delaying matters. How long must this go on ... if its not sorted soon the next round of transfers will be happening and lead to further delays.

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