God knows but one of the people in their office hates our guts and is an ex chairman in this league.

He never even answered an email i sent him weeks before we knew of an embargo.

Also worth reading a 2008 article from the Guardian:

The Conference has introduced a new system this season for the 68 clubs in its Premier, North and South divisions, to help them keep on top of their debts. In a system developed with the FA, the clubs will report to the Conference every quarter on what they owe HMRC, and are required to show after two months that they have paid their tax in full, or have a written agreement scheduling the payments. Again, the system has teeth - if a club fails to pay its tax, the Conference will impose a transfer embargo.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/sep/17/1

Again if thats the rule, why werent Lewes put on embargo for owing 125k and why are we on embargo for owing 63k? and remain so.

So until we pay off the Tax debt the embargo will remain?

Kevin wrote:

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You suspect wrong, Barrie clarified it all at the meeting.

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My point about the contracts is that I suspect they would be frustrated if a player couldn't play pursuant to the contract because they had been de-registered. That would be a restraint of trade.

 

Received today (possibly clarifies the position):

From: "Conference Info" Add sender to Contacts
To: "bilfaz@btinternet.com"

Dear Mr Fazakerley,

Thank you for your message.

The Football Conference expects to be able to lift the player registration embargo as soon as the Club is compliant with Competition rules.

Dennis Strudwick
General Manager
The Football Conference

So, let me get this straight...

We have a transfer embargo, which means that, because we owe to the HMRC, we cannot buy anymore players. However, this also includes players who are on our books ALREADY, but because of injury or whatever reason, were de-registered (something I don't quite understand either, but is irrelevant at this time) before the start of the season. Now, as we have injuries and suspensions, we need these Welling players back in the squad and we cannot register our OWN players??

I'm not a stupid man, but obviously, there are some at the HMRC and the Conference...

So its pettyness as no rules have been mentioned anywhere. Victimisation can be proved if no rule has come in before Welling were announced as owing HMRC and after Lewes owed 115k and were not put in embargo and the Conference disadvantaged all other clubs in the league by not putting lewes under embargo and it can be argued gave them an advantage over Welling and other clubs especially the team that were relegated.

Andrew Nicholson aka Courtjester wrote:

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If its the rules its hard to argue, but which competition rule is it? A bit of chapter and verse wouldn't go amiss. Are we allowed emergency loan signings?

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There is a precedent for emergency signings - eg at the end of August

The Football Association have sanctioned the signing of a new player for Ilkeston Town despite the embargo placed upon the club. An injury to goalkeeper Dan Lowson has meant that Kevin Wilson has been able to sign Kyle Clancy as a replacement.

The other question that pertains to the rules here is surely whether they apply to the fact that you owe the Revenue (which I'd guess several clubs may do) or whether it is the fact that they have sought to recover their loss (us).

I'd guess that the rules are probably shoddily worded so they could apply to the former if you could police it but only apply to the latter as there is hard paperwork to go on.

Once we have sorted this I do hope we are all a right royal pain in the butt to Strudwick when it comes to it being enforced on any other transgressors!

What a load of bollocks from Strudwick.

Talk in riddles.


Listen tell us EXPRESSLY What rule Welling have broken and how they can comply with the rule and get the embargo lifted.

How does this rule differ from Lewes fc.

What date did this rule come in or be approved by the member clubs.

Also Welling have and are paying 18 players who were signed before this embargo so YOU Strudwick telling them they can only play 16 players is costing the club more and putting a strain on the 13 or 14 that can be named as they have injuries etc.

Why do the conference not have their rules available for their customers?

Does anyone else feel this is starting to look like a campaign against Welling by Strudwick and co? Where is this rule, when was it approved and implemented and how do you get clearance to sign CURRENT players.

Is it just stall Welling and hope they have 6 fit players by Strudwick?


Strudwick stop talking in riddles cos its starting to look like victimisation and discrimination to me.


I think a solicitor would destroy strudwick.

-- Edited by JgFc on Thursday 9th of September 2010 11:55:53 AM

... time to ask the Club directly, perhaps ...?

I suspect that you'd find that he'd hide behind the FIFA regs regarding taking Football Associations\Leagues to court by their constituent clubs

Ive heard that there is another club that have agreed to pay what they owe the HMRC by october.

Now i dont think this differs from us appart from HMRC getting us in court. Given that both clubs have agreements to pay by x date... How can we be in embargo and another club not. How can we be in embargo when lewes were not?

How can we be told that Contracted players BEFORE the embargo Lee Clarke and Loick Pires who have both played for Welling in Friendlies this season... Cannot play despite us having to pay for them.

I think that there would be so many errors in rules or implementation of those rules that if we appealed and took legal action we would win as we have so many routes of action and parts to this whole episode.

The conference do not seem interested in lifting the embargo or allowing our contracted players to play.

IF we dont get past this HMRC i would personally take up a case against the Conference and Dennis Strudwick in particular and claim that the embargo is unlawful and victimisation and and the refusal to let contracted players play was an integral part in stopping the club from trading and fundraising.

I am seething this can go on so long without any facts being made available by the conference to hide their ineptness.

So they better get their arse in gear.

I also fullty understand why the club arent making statements and why we are all guessing or trying to find out what the score is, so they protect themselves from being involved in any debate.

Looking into to previous clubs and lack of any rules or details would suggest the conference do not have a clue what they are doing and make it up as they go along and do what they like.



-- Edited by JgFc on Thursday 9th of September 2010 05:55:44 PM

Salisbury City:

In early September however, HMRC sought a winding-up petition for approximately £200,000 (5), and the club sought the protection of going into Administration (6), bringing with it the inevitable ten-point deduction. (Without this, Salisbury would have finished the season just outside the play-off zone.)

After protracted negotiation, in January a consortium led by William Harrison-Allan bought the club (7), and a transfer embargo was lifted, and an agreement with HMRC was reported to have been reached (8). By the end of February a CVA had been agreed (9), and the climb onwards and upwards, both on the pitch and financially appeared to have begun.

Hi All

It seems to me that there is only one way to sort all of this and that is to get the money....I know that sounds bleeding obvious but although I am not an expert at all reading all of what has been written and also the Ilkeston situation (and what a shame that is as we had some good days out there....didnt we win 7-1 there once when ken was verbally attacked by a hooligan Derby supporter)...it appears that they are NOT going to lift any embargo until the pennies have come forth


.......the only way I can see is someone coming in with the money

We as a group of supporters are doing fabulously well with the raising of the money but I fear that we are not going to be able to do it all ourselves!!!!

I salute the players for their attitude as well....it is the good old british spirit isnt it!!!!!

BUT

How long we can continue with the same group of players worries me...one of our big chances is the FA Cup and the problem is we may not have a team to put out when we get there.......

Totally agree with that!!