As we are ALL aware, Jacks red card seemed to be caused by play acting by the opponent and I feel it was unjust.
Therefore unless someone can prove otherwise, I am suggesting as our players have helped us with fund raising with their support. how about us the supporters join together and help the club and Jack with the fine as a small thank you.
If anyone can find out how much it is, would you support me and chip in to pay the fine.
Please post your thoughts and views with a simple yes or no answer attached.
Thank you Patsy,
PS If anyone agrees with me then I will collect your money at the Woking game and hand it to Jack personally. Pending on the amount for the fine I will only be looking for £1 or £2 per person unless you want to give more.
-- Edited by Patsy on Saturday 4th of September 2010 09:55:54 PM
-- Edited by bruno on Sunday 5th of September 2010 11:48:33 AM
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My dear Patsy, it's quite obvious that Welling United means a huge amount to you. This is backed up by the tremendous amount of time and effort you put in for the club's benefit.
I would however question the idea of paying a fine (if there is one) for a player. The view that I had gave the impression that Jack deliberatley put his head towards that of the opposing player in a threatening manner.
Although your idea has a good intension, what happens if there are other red cards?
It could be argued that Mr Parkingson is young, but as team captain he must set an example and as a wrong doing has occurred (in the eyes of the referee) he will only learn by being handed out some form of punishment.
My view is that he pays any fine due and becomes better for it.
Jack was talking about paying his fine to the supporters trust if he can. IF there is a fine, he is gutted and said the fans will be upset with me and i want to give them something back. Now that is a gesture. Yes there was play acting from the 10 and yes it was a harsh red card.
Its a great gesture Patsy but Trigger is right, you cant pay players fines.
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Having watch the video I dont think Parky has any chance of a reprieve he clearly motioned his head towards the player and even though it is clear he does not make contact you simply cannot motion a head butt these days Im afriad.
In Jack's defence the tackle on him was SHOCKING and deserved a red card on its own.
We werent at our best and still won - not a bad thing at all!!
I agree we as supporters cannot get involved in paying fines for players however unjustly we may feel they have been incurred.
Having spoken with a distraught Jack after the game all I will say is however unjustified the red card may have been take it on the chin and chalk it up to experience mate. As far as the supporters go I'm sure your fears are unfounded, I for one am still 100% behind you and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
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I didn't think there was anything unjust about it. It was an incredibly stupid thing for him to have done and was one of the few decisions the ref got right all day. No one's perfect and I guess red mist and all that but the captain should set an example and he singularly failed to do that.
If i said a truly disgusting thing to you just after id tried to break your legs... I think you might "motion your head" towards me. The guy knew he was going off as teh ref blew after his two footed lunge and hes got jack to bite, Jack didnt touch him but he moved towards him and the guy flung himself to the floor.
The fact Jack never touched him, speaks volume for him. Yes Jack gave the ref an easy option but he hasnt headbutted him and has been wound up by the 10.
Can we all remember Jack has been playing with a hamstring for 4 games and needs to rest it. Its no big dealand he will get to rest it. Loui and Crackers are able to play in midfield and We have Cumbers and Healy who can play wide too.
Jacks crime is moving towards the 10 saying What did you say...
-- Edited by JgFc on Sunday 5th of September 2010 11:47:15 AM
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Well we better get used to him being suspended then if every time he gets wound up he reacts like that. He should show more self-control in future. We could have done without it at the moment.
I have read all your comments and have taken them all on board and I thank you for them.
I do feel now I was hasty in my reaction and now retract my offer, as you say "if you do it for one" you must do it for others and it is a learning curb. Sorry Jack....
Patsy
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Lets not forget one of their players hit one of ours after we scored and the number 8 had a few talkings to. The ref didnt do a thing then he only gives teh 10 a second yellow for a 2 footed tackle and foul language when he had already been booked.
Boreham Wood were a nasty cynical side (more so when the game had been lost) who tried to get us at it and put a few nasty tackles in. The ref never protected us and Jack will learn not to give the ref a chance to let the oppos tactics work and send him off.
Dont go over board on him though as he never touched the 10 and had just been on the end of a two footer and a mouthful of abuse.
lets draw a line under it and stick together.
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It would be interesting to ascertain the disciplinary record of Jack Parkinson in the seven League Games played so far this season.
Therefore, can one of the Welling United statisticians inform the Forum of the number of yellow cards that Jack Parkinson has received in the seven League Games so far?
Yes it was Allinson surprise surprise... and the ref waved play on and then the Boreham wood player fell over with femi IN FRONT of him and the ref booked Femi.
The inconsistency was shocking. And our players seemed to be harshly treated where as theirs got away with it. Weve won so its not sour grapes. Compare incidents and it was us that got heavy handed reffing and they got away with most things that were far worse than what parky did.
That tackle from behind on Sammy would merit a straight red.
We do need to cut the yellows out though and play the ref rather than clatter the oppo then moan at the ref. If we get elbowed or punched, dont retaliate surrond the ref and go see him at half time and demand protection.
-- Edited by JgFc on Sunday 5th of September 2010 03:52:56 PM
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Jack and Daisy have a few yellows. I would also say to you Johnc that we have been getting some shocking refs.
There were 3 hand balls at Havant we get no pens they get 1 Penalty not given v Chelmo when Loui was elbowed in the box cynically.. No pen and No Red Card, Chelmo given pen when ref couldnt posibly have seen if Coyle handballed it. A stonewall yesterday we get no penalty when Braithwaite slapped the ball away A Kung Fu Kick on Andrews v Hampton no red card A Punch by a Boreham Wood player no red card Their goal Femi was fouled and held back, was allowed to stand
I could probably find 3 or 4 more penalties we havent been given.
Inconsistent, Incapable refs are a factor in why we are getting Cards and getting frustrated.
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I don't think we're allowed to be awarded a penalty untiil either Lee Clarke or Cracknell are back. Last season we seemed to get loads this year we should have had them but nothing.
Silly boy all I can say especially as Allinson had been booked only seconds before
The ref had no choice but to send him off
Chelsea fan here - got in for a fiver - I moved into Welling and lived about five minutes away from the ground when The MIGHTY WINGS won the Southern League. Have seen some classic games - Blackburn in the FA Cup, Leyton Orient away in the FA Cup when the MIGHTY WINGS went 1-0 up, then had to move away - always kept in touch with results as you will see with this thread http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/boards/read/s379.htm?722,10056262
My report here http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/main/chelsea-/s379.htm didnt give Welling enough credit for the football they played - apologies for that - despite an extremely bobbly pitch for this time of the season.
Enjoyed the day and will be back against Woking on the 18th, when Football Icon's 1st Winner Sam Hurrell makes his return to PVR
Are you related to Gareth Williams as I thought he had a mare in goal and I can now see why Bromley DID let him go.
Also you kindly took a picture of the opposing end where Boreham Wood only had the coach driver supporting them. 561 was the att and 560 were Wings fans.
-- Edited by RTec on Sunday 5th of September 2010 06:25:56 PM
Rtec There were two fat blokes at the back cheering and two at the front behind the goal when Wood scored. Best goal of the game.
No am not related to Williams, I thought he had a good game in the first half.
Sort of went t*ts up for him in the 2nd with the mix up to allow Cumbers to score the easiest goal of his career and the own goal when he had no chance.
Could have got a lot worse if the officials had awarded Wings the blatant penalty for handball.
The lino said 'I wasn't 100% percent sure' LOL I was in line with the lino and I saw it
It would be interesting to ascertain the disciplinary record of Jack Parkinson in the seven League Games played so far this season.
Therefore, can one of the Welling United statisticians inform the Forum of the number of yellow cards that Jack Parkinson has received in the seven League Games so far?
I wouldn't call myself a statistican John, but Jack has had 4 yellows and a red in the first 7 games.
Now I think Jack is a great player, but he does need to control himself. With the embargo on players, we need all our fit players to be available. I thought the ref had no choice but to give him a red - it was a really poor thing for Jack to do, right in front of the ref (who was shocking). Jack will now be missing from the FA Cup game I believe, and if we ever needed a cup run, then it is now. When he does come back he will facing another ban if he continues his run of yellows.
I hope Jack will reflect on this. I am sure he will. We need him playing and setting an example. Sadly, I feel that Jack has been a red card waiting to happen since the first game of the season.
-- Edited by chelwing on Monday 6th of September 2010 07:59:36 AM
Disagree. I havnt been at every game but I don't think he was a red card waiting to happen, yes he gave ref an easy option in a way but having heard there player say after the game there was no contact. JGFC is right draw a line under it all and support the boys as they are still on a very good run at the moment.
chelwing wrote: Sadly, I feel that Jack has been a red card waiting to happen since the first game of the season.
I agree with this. I've noticed that he likes to go flying into tackles with his studs showing, and he's got away with those sorts of challenges so far. Also, seeing as he is our captain, he should be above getting into silly altercations with little diving cheats like that Boreham Wood player. Hopefully he won't do this sort of thing again in the future. You can bet Daisy will have had words with him about it, so i don't see it becoming an issue.
Everyone entitled to their view David, but I have been at all our games and have said to people that he was still mouthing at the ref and putting in some dodgy cahllenges whilst on a yellow. 4 yellows and a red in 7 games is a really poor record.
The only good thing is that if he is carrying an injury, then he has some time to recover so when he does come back he should be fit.
yeah but many more and we ill not have 11 men to put on the pitch...even more pertinent when you think that the BIG money making games....the FA Cup will start soon
Lets just hope that the embargo is lifted soon and Clarke gets re-registered which will allow Jack to return to what in my opinion is his best position, that of a centre half. I know what Daysy said in the press about his performance in the midfield but I disagree and the sooner we can see the Parkinson and Andrews partnership re-established at the back the better in my opinion..
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1 Hes come out in the press and said he loves playing at Welling 2 Hes playing in Midfield when hes a center half 3 Hes been playing injured for 4 or 5 games 4 Hes a young man leading the team and helping keep them together in a great start to the season. 5 The referee was a clown 6 We know he has to calm down a bit with the tackles in midfield. 7 GET BEHIND ALL OF THEM FFS, We dont need anyone being on anyones case as rather than seem like 2 or 3 people having a pop as is the case they will feel its loads of people.
Stay together and this great form will carry on. See you ALL at Staines, supporting them.
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I agree with your comments bruno, IMO Jack Parkinson appears to be more in control of his game when playing alongside Graeme Andrews. Unfortunately players have had to be moved to different positions due to injuries (and the embargo), but they have coped well under the circumstances and they have been a credit to our club.
JGFC - I totally agree that we must get behind the team. I am just saying that I hope Jack uses this time to reflect and comes back a better player. We all know he is a great talent - the frustration will be if he is stitting in the stand when we need him on the pitch.
Indeed nothing wrong with thinking that, Jack is remorseful too, hes a fine young man and you have to take into account him playing out of position, being young, all of the off the field stuff the club is going through.
There is so much to praise him for but some people choose to have a pop. Any chinks in our armour could force gaping holes.
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Alexander O'Neal 1987 "I'm fed up cos all you wanna do is criticize "
The reason Jack Parkinson is picking up so many yellow/red cards is that his feet are too slow to be a midfielder. He's got one position, and one position only which he does well in.