This weeks SVBT probably sums up the stalemate we are at with the league. Is there any news re how much has been raised and how far we have to go. I take my hat off to the fantastic efforts that have been made to raise monies towards the HMRC situation.
My worry is that the odd £50 isnt going to make much of a dent in owing 63 big ones and looking at the way Ilkeston were handled we could still be in trouble despite best intentions and first time of being there.
Knowing where we are may also spur on the efforts being made if we know how much progress has been made or whether we need to step on the gas a bit more before the next deadline.
Apparantly ilkeston received 8 grand central funding from the conference in the last 2 weeks. Have we received anything and did other clubs receive it? that would bring the figure down nicely.
I think a big game is needed urgently and if we market it we could get 2000-3000 down, i dont see many other opportunities like this. Its all very well saying the fa cup is coming but lets get a match aswell as the cup.
Well done to teh SVBT for at least getting a comment from Strudwick, but its a hilarious comment, declining to say what the club have to do to get the embargo lifted. Does he even know? Or will he say yes, but you havent beaten chelsea in the champions league yet...
-- Edited by JgFc on Thursday 9th of September 2010 08:33:13 PM
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Alexander O'Neal 1987 "I'm fed up cos all you wanna do is criticize "
With the no of clubs involved in carling cup and other various competitions a friendly at the moment is looking a little difficult unless we can pull something out of the bag from somewhere
Quite happy to quote we have not complied with the rules. Should be equally happy to state what conforms to compliance to get it lifted... but then again, we know that might just be a little inconvenient.
For such an advocate of financial rectitude he should have no issue with publishing what the criteria should be....
BKK is right though - we need to know the position now. How much more is needed? What is happening with outside investors? What happend to the idea of a share issue? I haven't got to the meetings for personal reasons and it may have been discussed there, but there is a real need to engage and inform people who were not at the meetings as well - especially if you want their money.
Whether you like it or not, I have heard people say they are not prepared to give money if the club is going to go under anyway or we will be in the same situation 6 months later. We need a clear business plan about how much needs to be raised and how we intend to get there. As BKK says throwing the odd 50 quid isn't going to do it.
Big Friendly 10-20k 1000-2000 crowd EASILY achievable if marketed and we gave ourself a month 6 weeks before the game. Players wage cut 20k over 3 months 15k The club were going to give the HMRC and didnt but gave them 9k PAYE so ill say for ease of understanding thats the 9k russ raised with the fans.. Leaving the 15k the club said they had to pay the HMRC.
Theres 55,000 pounds and central funding of 8-9k is due. Money paid.
If anyone has any better ideas im all ears. Or we could all shout and scream.
The ONLY other option of bringing in the required money is the club signing sponsors or investors or getting lucky in the fa cup.
CAN WE PLEASE FOCUS on the easiest achievable ways of raising the money.
The GIGS/FLYERS etc etc all great when we have raised the money.
The 3 items at this start of this post are the easiest tangible ways of guaranteeing survival and it can be done easily and straightforward.
We also need a working committee and meetings and some structure.
Or we can all sit around for another 6 weeks then try and do things that will raise large amounts of money.
-- Edited by JgFc on Friday 10th of September 2010 12:54:54 PM
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I couldnt give a toss if people get upset at paycuts etc etc cos while some will stay if it gets really bleak others will sod off.
Joe Healy has showed he is on our side and plays for nothing. As it is, the other players are earning their money on the pitch by performing superbly but they are paid to earn their money and give their all. They are however doing more than is expected by playing with injuries and tiredness.
To my mind reading what Daisy said in the press there are (at least) 7 players willing to take pay cuts. This would greatly enhance the chance of survival, show a togetherness that includes the players in numbers and also help get the embargo off quicker.
As all that matters is the club surviving. If we finish 18th this season and survive i'll take that over going bust when 3rd in the league.
Jamie Day said in the press his players will take pay cuts. In that case and with 12 weeks left, then i say give them the chance to, dont demand it.
The players efforts on the pitch are superb and for that they are collectively paid 4.7k a week.
The Fans have raised 10k and are attending meetings and paying to get in and spend in the shop and bar to try and improve things.
There is little or no use the players taking a pay cut with 2 weeks left. We need to raise the money however we can not sit around and expect it to appear.
-- Edited by JgFc on Friday 10th of September 2010 01:20:48 PM
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BKK is right though - we need to know the position now. How much more is needed? What is happening with outside investors? What happend to the idea of a share issue? I haven't got to the meetings for personal reasons and it may have been discussed there, but there is a real need to engage and inform people who were not at the meetings as well - especially if you want their money.
Whether you like it or not, I have heard people say they are not prepared to give money if the club is going to go under anyway or we will be in the same situation 6 months later. We need a clear business plan about how much needs to be raised and how we intend to get there. As BKK says throwing the odd 50 quid isn't going to do it.
Agree with Chelwing .... JgFc - where do you get your figures from ... they seem to vary from post to post. Definately it would be helpful to all the supporters doing their level best, as witnessed on this forum, to have something official from the Club as to where we are now at, what the detailed position is and what is being done to rectify it. And the Club to say what more can be done by the supporters .... but the whole burden should not fall on them ....
Were based on players taking 33% cut until we pay the HMRC IF THEY WANTED TO DO IT. Please note i am NOT saying the should or it should be compulsary. They will get our support fully whether they do or not. That needs to be emphasised, i have big love for them all muchly.
63 k owed to hmrc 1000 gate =10k gate reciepts for a big friendly 2000 gate 20k
15k the club said they were going to pay the hmrc BUT GAVE THEM 9K. If russ raised 9k then 15k is still there that the club were going to pay.
I see that as between 45k and 55k raised.
As i said, without getting a sponsor or buyer in, if anyone sees andy better ideas, then im all ears and how can i help.
-- Edited by JgFc on Friday 10th of September 2010 02:36:05 PM
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To clarify as george galloway would say. If we pay the 15k we were going to, thats 48k owed imho. I agree that the club could update us on what the running total is.
We owed 93k? paid 30 and said we were paying another 15k, we never paid that according to Barrie at the meeting, but they did pay 9k PAYE etc. So i believe that 15k is still there to be paid and reduce the total when you take the 9k russ has helped raise and add that in.
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But JGFC - these are your figures and not the clubs. How realistic is that one of the big teams will send down a side with some big names during the season. I think unlikely. Have we asked any clubs. I agree that the players taking a cut will help - but are they actually doing it and from now.
What we have on the message board are great ideas and fanatastic committment but for the vast majority of fans, they are totally in the dark about what is happening and what the club is planning to do. What I am saying is that if we need to dig deeper (as we must) then we need to know we are not just throwing good money after bad.
You can criticise me for saying it but many of the 500 odd souls who come through the gate were not at the meetings and may be reluctant to continue to fork out unless they believe that there is a good chance that this is going to work.
To clarify as george galloway would say. If we pay the 15k we were going to, thats 48k owed imho. I agree that the club could update us on what the running total is.
We owed 93k? paid 30 and said we were paying another 15k, we never paid that according to Barrie at the meeting, but they did pay 9k PAYE etc. So i believe that 15k is still there to be paid and reduce the total when you take the 9k russ has helped raise and add that in.
Was the £9k paid as PAYE not the £9k raised in kit and sundries sponsorship?
OK .... but any info on search for sponsors, commercial manager's (part time or commission only) efforts to date, other possible moves by the Club (other than the supporters' efforts well documented on this forum) .... the silence from the top is becoming deafening .... thus so many varying and confusing posts .... Some official clarity would surely be beneficial to all concerned
-- Edited by oldcoach on Friday 10th of September 2010 03:02:27 PM
Agree oldcoach a bit of motivation ie weve got 2k here and paid 6k there will help spur people on and see the figure come down. As russ posted last night we still owe the same amount we did a few weeks ago that we know of, the club MAY Have paid more or have a kitty building.
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Two part-time commercial managers have started working for the club and were present at the WSU meeting last night. I believe their details are to be given in the Woking programme. Obviously though in the current financial climate they won't be able to solve the problems on their own and every effort is still needed on all of the other things that have been mentioned.