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Vice-president Holley, Dr Baruah, Mr Dennis Strudwick, President Brackstone, Secretary Hobbins, Chairman Websdale, fellow Wings fans: We observe today not a victory of party, but a celebration of freedom - symbolising an end, as well as a beginning - signifying renewal, as well as change.

The football world is very different now. For the taxman holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of football poverty and all forms of football life.

We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Wings fans - born in this century, tempered by defeat, disciplined by hard and bitter draws, proud of our heritage, and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those football rights to which this club has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and away. Let every club know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

This much we pledge - and more. To those old allies whose cultural and spiritual origins we share, we pledge the loyalty of faithful friends. United, there is little we cannot do in a host of cooperative ventures. Divided, there is little we can do - for we dare not meet a powerful challenge at odds and split asunder.

To those people in the stands and terraces of half the league struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required - not because the Darts may be doing it, not because we seek their votes, but because it is right. If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.

And let every other power know that this club intends to remain the master of its own house.So let us begin anew - remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof. Let us never negotiate out of fear, but let us never fear to negotiate.

Let both sides explore what problems unite us instead of belabouring those problems which divide us. Let both sides, for the first time, formulate serious and precise proposals for the inspection and control of arms, and bring the absolute power to destroy other clubs under the absolute control of all clubs. Let both sides seek to invoke the wonders of science instead of its terrors.

Together let us explore the stars, conquer the deserts, eradicate defeat, tap the ocean depths, and encourage the arts and commerce. Let both sides unite to heed, in all corners of the earth, the command of Isaiah - to "undo the heavy debts, and let the creditors go free." And, if a beachhead of cooperation may push back the jungle of suspicion, let both sides join in creating a new endeavour - not a new balance of power, but a new world of law - where the strong are just, and the weak secure, and the peace preserved.

All this will not be finished in the first 100 days. Nor will it be finished in the first 1,000 days, nor in the life of this administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But let us begin.

In your hands, my fellow supporters, more than mine, will rest the final success or failure of our course. Since this club was founded, each generation of Wings fans has been summoned to give testimony to its national loyalty. The graves of young players who answered the call to service surround the country. Now the trumpet summons us again - not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are; but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation", a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.

Can we forge against these enemies a grand and global alliance, north and south, east and west, that can assure a more fruitful life for all mankind? Will you join in that historic effort?

In the long history of the sport, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility - I welcome it.

I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavour will light our country and all who serve it. And the glow from that fire can truly light the world.

And so, my fellow Wings fans, ask not what your club can do for you; ask what you can do for your club. My fellow citizens of the world, ask not what Welling will do for you, but what, together, we can do for the survival of Welling.

Finally, whether you are supporters of Welling or citizens of the world, ask of us here the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the club we love...




John Fitzgerald Kennedy died in 1963, the same year Welling United was born. He was 46, Welling United is 47; whether it makes it to 48 is up to you, each and every individual one of you.



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Splendid and stirring. But who has the authority to do something? Is anyone already doing it? Is this a pre meeting call to arms?
There are some good private messages going round this week. The next meeting is pivotal and needed urgently. Online conference calls are options. Netmeeting and skype have audio and textual facets. Most aint got a scooby whats happening we havent put the foundations in for communication yet or rounded up the core skills of those in our midst.

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ps well done on all the work so far we would be in worse state without it.

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But who has the authority to do something?



Authority? This is Welling United not North Korea. Pat didn't need authority for the auction night, she did it off her own back. Sy didn't need authority for Club Aid, he got off his arse and did something.

Is anyone already doing it?



I doubt it. It's all talk and no do.

There are some good private messages going round this week.



Great. How much of the debt have they paid off?

The next meeting is pivotal and needed urgently.



Organise it then. Or, like so much else that's written on here, is that yet another task to add to the very long list of things for 'someone else' to do.

we havent put the foundations in for communication yet



For the third time this week, who is we?


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The club and the people organising the meetings or it could get completely confusing. I think some people are waiting to see what direction those that are steering the supporters go in?

Are you saying that someone else should call a meeting and say right we need 6 people to go active commercially in Welling and Bexleyheath as our commercial managers havent raised a brass coin? Wouldnt it be better if the people in the chair tried to pull everything together, isnt it more organised that way or do you think everyone should throw things into the open? I think people dont want to p1ss off those doing good things.

Russ you must see that with some people doing things if others then did it, it would or could put peoples noses out of place there have been a few put downs when some people have offered good ideas which i am happy to discuss in pm but do not want to decry anyones efforts. I have spoken to 5 or 6 people who all think this could be an issue, i could name them but theres no point all are regular attendees and have been going for decades.

I think we are all a bit confused as to what we should do or can do.

As for is anyone doing it...

Has anyone done business flyers for shops to advertise sponsorship, hoarding, match ball, match sponsorships etc? If not i will do them.

I think your post last night clarifies the situation a bit more in that everyone can do their bit , should we go for a scattergun approach and try everything off our own back or be more targeted. As for having Authority, Tottenham, Chelsea et all would tell me to p off if i phoned for a friendly. There are somethings that are best coming from the club.

What have the commercial managers done, have they hit the shops?, if they have then its pointless us doing it.

I think i have some valid points , not sure if they came across well.





-- Edited by JgFc on Saturday 2nd of October 2010 10:53:56 PM

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As for good pms, ive been contacted by prominent fans who have suggested either a buy out 46 x £1k or 6 or 8 putting 5k in each.

There has to be someone steering the ship is my point russ or the captain has to have a few first maites where people are communicating and helping? It shouldnt be a burden or the same few people doing it all. Would having a steering committee help to organise the fans efforts more in the short term? lightening the load for you and those doing it all?
I think you have done an absolute first class job in what you have done and i feel people are waiting for you (out of respect) to say where we go next or where we discuss where we go, not just thinking oh thats a job for Russ. Do you see where i am coming from? people are respecting whats being done and thinking that we have a leader who will tidy up and dot the i's and cross the t's and is in control.

That might be naive or taking the micky but if someone calls meetings and mentions supports trust launch and then raises 10k you cant but think he is the main main who will guide people and link things up and get the communication out there.






-- Edited by JgFc on Saturday 2nd of October 2010 11:04:51 PM

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Very stirring stuff indeed Russ, but as you know, Kennedy was shot.  His entourage couldn't save him, but he could have helped himself by driving in a bullet proof car - he then might have survived.
We, the fans, are the entourage and can only protect the club by doing everything that is possible within our means - of which, I'm sure that you'll agree, this has been done.
The President, Welling United, could have protected himself a couple of years ago. By doing this, with hindsight, we might not be in the scenario that we find ourselves today.  I know that hindsight is a wonderful thing and we all should have it, but and a big but, if the club were in financial difficulties two years ago, why leave it so long to announce the fact?
Added to the fact, so it is alleged, Welling United how should I put it, fibbed? to the Conference, therefore incurring the embargo and five point deduction.

I for one DO NOT want to see our great side fold and within my reasonable capabilities, will try to help as much as I can - the same as every other supporter on this forum and beyond.

The fans / supporters have, in my opinion, been transparent, now is the time for the club to do the same - afterall, without us the fans, Welling wouldn't exist.

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My dear Mr JgFc,

you have mentioned above about a suggestion that has been sent to you regarding a buy out (one that I have thought about also).

Would I be right in saying that what has been suggested is that 46 people for example each putting in £1k would be enough for a buy out?

Wouldn't that just pay the outstanding debt?

Would I be right in asking that it could cost a little bit more to actually buy the business?

-- Edited by Trigger on Monday 4th of October 2010 09:36:15 PM

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Its not my idea Trigg but i THINK they believe that this would give the shareholders control. Its only ideas people are coming up with. We dont really know what the sale price is or if the owners would step aside if people could save the club. I think its just an idea. Someone else said go to the club pay the HMRC through 6 or 8 people putting in 5k on the assumption that they would take over or gain a large stake in the club.

Hopefully the people with the ideas will post or speak at the next meeting.

The club have said that if people can take the club forward then they would step aside, wether thats for x amount of pounds i have no idea as it hasnt been said in what circumstances they would step aside or for how much if anything.



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Thank you.

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