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At least its from the horses mouth. Lets hope that something is sorted.

If there were standard updates none of the innuendo and rumour would happen.

Venture capitalists could be the end of us, the same as winding up could be.

The one thing we had to do we keep paying hmrc dribs and drabs to gain a possible extention.

We didnt do it. So now we are being held to ransom and not calling the shots.

Not good, lets hope Barrie can be ruthless and get the right deal for welling.

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Welling United would like to confirm that the club are still in dialog with the proposed investors and hope to try and progress.
There is lots of activity and discussions are ongoing with other alterative parties.
The club is doing all it can to make sure matters are sorted before Wednesday.
The Wings will make additional announcements as soon as there is any further news.

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I maybe wrong, so please can someone advise me and put me straight.
Is the above a contradiction.
As "still in dialog with the proposed investors", seems to be cancelled out by "ongoing alternative parties."

If this means not putting all the eggs in 1 basket then great, as it seems once bitten twice shy.

As I said I may be reading this wrongly, fingers crossed it all goes ahead smoothly.

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It doesn't sound great. It seems to me that the Hobbins have been a bit naive. All the eggs in one basket does not make a great plan. Looks like they have been tucked up and ultimately the team I have been supporting for 23 years could be wound up. Very sad. I hope that if the club is saved that the fans get more of a say in how the club is run and a have a proper stake in the club.

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Isn't that what I said in another thread.

"We haven't got a clue what is going on so we will feed you a "comment" which says absolutely **** all.

As I said earlier........thanks for nothing.



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At least discussions are going on with investors/parties, if there was nothing we would be in serious trouble come Wednesday. Let's just hope something will come out of it.

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I have to say that when you put your faith in solicitors then you expect them to know what is happenning

I blame them a lttle too

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Barrie

Just say to the investors look its 57k to pay the debts to hmrc.. heres the other debts you need to sort.

If they wont do it then feck them off and go with the loan from Bromley guy.. BUT only if you can sort out a takeover in the loan spell and CUT THE BUDGET To 3k a week IMMEDIATELY.

why the fu/ck we never cut the budget 4 montsh ago i have no idea, and its fine for Jamie to say we will take a pay cut... YOU NEVER DID.

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doesn't seem like much - just a standard message and we will still be wound up on weds

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I forgot about the paycut thing. Just assumed it had happened already. So the only one to take a paycut of sorts is Healy?

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JGFC this should have been said to the investors months ago. Once HMRC have been paid a CVA can be agreed with the other creditors if necassary. I am so f****** annoyed that this has all been left to the last minute.  

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Healy on full pay so are they all. Daisy was OVER Budget until we went out the cup.

Thats Right... OVER the 4500 budget lol while we were trying to raise money.

Im merrily pissed off that we will take a pay cut was just hollow words. Other cubs slash budgets or play for free ... we were OVER BUDGET and then the WSU paid some of the FULL wages LOL.

Not Barrie and Barrys fault but they should have said up yours ... all non contract players gone.. you have the pick of teh academy and the budget is 3k a week from NOW. or you take voluntary pay cuts. In the end they carried on on full wages.

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PS Charlie Mitten offered to stay and play for NOTHING when he was being released and even went to training after to say it again....

So much for saving money?

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if wufc are wound up who will run the resurected club?

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LAZARUS.!

or JUDAS, he got some money.!!

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A committee will start it and if investors or sponsors come in or ex players then that will be decided i would imagine.

A big meeting at a council premises well advertised to the borough and in news papers and to local businesses is a must.

There are many expired fans/sponsors who left for one reason or another..

Lets get the council involved and do it properly not 100 people in the upstairs bar.

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If you were going to buy the club would you purchase it now with circa £55k of debt to take on yourself OR let if fold, and take it out of admisitration without picking up the liabilities of the former owners. Like many "pre-pack" arrangements.

Not wishing to be downbeat but I know what I'd do if I was them.

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Len you cant take over a folded club. You can go into admin if limited.. the Taxman is unlikely to accept a CVA. These investors seem to have no brains.

You pay the HMRC in FULL get embargo off and try and negotiate the non critical debt.

I would worry they have any commercial savvy to bring in revenue anyway and are just after a cheap takeover then asset strip if they can get the ground lease freehold.

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Healy on full pay so are they all. Daisy was OVER Budget until we went out the cup.



Did Healy ever play for free then? He was supposed to not accept any wages for a while.


 



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No he was never playing for free, one player offered to play for free. Charlie Mitten. Who i hope will be AFC Wellings keeper in their first season.

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I fill sick ... no i dont have a cold or malaria after coming back from Africa it happened after reading the statment .... Thanks for giving us so much insight into the matter ... that statement was like someone telling me did i know what happened on Sept 11th 2001!



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It's odd, i appreciate them making a statement, but it didn't say anything did it. Not sure how to feel about it.

I wish E&B would just **** off and play somewhere else, so we could make use of their clubhouse :D

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players have played for two weeks now for nothing ....!!!

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Bill if they had taken cuts in august we would have paid half the debt and raised the rest.

Of course its not good they havent been paid was the first week they werent gonna get paid coinciding with crap performances v ebbsfleet and havant? tells you a lot imho.

Theyve played well this year top class, but theyve been paid good money to do so.

Most of them will get good gigs at teams at our level (or above) they will be fine, we will have no club.

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I don't think you can lay any blame at the players' door. It's not their responsibility to get us out of this mess - they neither created it nor probably knew what they were getting themselves in for when signing, otherwise, my guess is, they would never have signed in the first place.

The decision of cutting wages or whatever, should have been done by the Hobbins immediately to reduce costs and save money, but they just aren't ruthless enough.

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Jim all i am saying is they said they would take pay cuts (according to the press) and didnt when there was a lot of time left where it would have gone a long way to paying off a lot of the debt and getting an extention if we raised little else or a take over failed.





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Welling United would like to confirm that the club are still in dialog with the proposed investors and hope to try and progress.

There is lots of activity and discussions are ongoing with other alterative parties.

The club is doing all it can to make sure matters are sorted before Wednesday.

The Wings will make additional announcements as soon as there is any further news.


LOL THAT HAS TOLD US NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!

Why has it been left to the last minute again..... I FEEL FOR THE GUYS WHO ARE THERE WEEK IN WEEK OUT.......

I REALLY HOPE SOMEONE GIVES US SOME GOOD NEWS SOON AS WE ARE DUE SOME

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It seems like everyone at the club (players/officials) have said they will do this and that to save the club, then what happens, nothing.

Of course it isn't up to the players to help the club by playing for free or taking a paycut, but if they said they would take less wages, then they should have done exactly that.

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I see your point JGFC, and it would have made things easier if they had taken wage cuts - so in that sense I completely agree with you - but feel its a two way street, the players shouldn't be coming up with the idea, those running everything should.

At the end of the day its all hindsight - a few weeks back I was certain this investor deal would have been thrashed out and we wouldn't be talking about it at all.

Like you said in another thread, the Hobbins are nice people and they created Welling United, so for that I'm thankful, it has been brilliant up 'til now. They've made some costly mistakes and could have gone about things differently, but even if things do go tits up Wednesday I'd like to think we can keep the Welling legacy going in whatever shape or form we can. All is not necessarily lost post Wednesday.

-- Edited by WellingJim on Monday 29th of November 2010 05:31:47 PM

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Im not slagging the players off theyve been immense and are one of the best squads weve ever had not far off the glory days of the 3rd round of the fa cup, 6th in the conference national, QF of the trophy etc etc.

Its just gaulling to hear they will take pay cuts and not to do it, IF we had paid 1500 a week to teh HMRC you would have got an extention and some other investors may have come in. I cant help feel some would have sat back seen if we were learning (Given our record for being shyte commercially) before making an approach. Also all of these investors came to us... why didnt we advertise in the broadsheets and sports papers for investors?

I am furious we never got a big friendly as that too gets you leeway. Making 3 or 4 phone calls is bollocks.

I just pray these investors see that as a blue sq south side and improved ground and community activity we can move on. But i feel they are messing us about and in it to scavenge off us all the time they pratt about moving goalpoasts.

-- Edited by JgFc on Monday 29th of November 2010 05:50:21 PM

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I am furious we never got a big friendly as that too gets you leeway.




More than leeway. 2 or 3 friendlies and the debt to the HMRC would be cleared.

 



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JgFc wrote:

Barrie

Just say to the investors look its 57k to pay the debts to hmrc.. heres the other debts you need to sort.

If they wont do it then feck them off and go with the loan from Bromley guy.. BUT only if you can sort out a takeover in the loan spell and CUT THE BUDGET To 3k a week IMMEDIATELY.

why the fu/ck we never cut the budget 4 montsh ago i have no idea, and its fine for Jamie to say we will take a pay cut... YOU NEVER DID.



We/ Jamie let Charlie go & if its true that Charlie was willing to play for free ...

 



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We/ Jamie let Charlie go & if its true that Charlie was willing to play for free ...

 



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We/ Jamie let Charlie go & if its true that Charlie was willing to play for free ...

 



Trust me, it's true

 




 didnt know that - shocking



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Hang on a minute. Wasn't the reason stated by Jamie for Charlie leaving, that it was to cut down the wage bill?

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Healy on full pay so are they all. Daisy was OVER Budget until we went out the cup.

Thats Right... OVER the 4500 budget lol while we were trying to raise money.

Im merrily pissed off that we will take a pay cut was just hollow words. Other cubs slash budgets or play for free ... we were OVER BUDGET and then the WSU paid some of the FULL wages LOL.



What makes you think that Jamie went over-budget?

 



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i dont think it Mark.

When we went out of the cup... The players were released so that we were no longer over budget.

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Also the WSU were asked to pay the money that was over the budget after that too...

-- Edited by JgFc on Monday 29th of November 2010 09:15:01 PM

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