He won't because he's only come on here to stir things up. Great first post by him :D

I am getting fed up with idiots coming on here just to stir things up.....incredibly boring!!

How many of the local businesses and clubs, pubs, shops read the forum or the website, i would say 0.00000001%

For the same reason that gigs get a low turn out, if you only push things internally you are piissing in the wind and not maximising any attempts.

Not a dig just realism.

fk me here we go. I wasnt having a pop but if you want to dig me out, i will say what i think and i know plenty of others agree on at least some of what i think but keep their thoughts quiet to not rock the boat, hopefully a few will post now youve opened the door.

Look if you want to put on rock/punk nights for people then crack on jolly good show, no one has a problem with this.

If you are looking for why on the whole they arent supported by more than the same people, then there are two ways of addressing it.

1 Advertise outside of the clubs fans
2 Put on more diverse entertainment.

If 1 and 2 are not on the agenda then please continue. My point wasnt a dig at the rock nights it was a help to people who wonder why so few take up tickets, they simply dont know about it, hate it or cant be arsed and was directed at the sponsorship draw about what we should do to get the message out, In anything the take up is a low percentage of who knows about it... hit 1500 shops with sponsor details and your take up will be more than saying to welling fans buy a ticket.

We seem to have a habit surrounding the club of people saying there it is come and get it. Rather than a bit of savvy and some promoting and marketing.

Its not how i would do things and i wouldnt put on rock and punk all the time but for those that do, well done. enjoy.

Putting on an event and saying right there it is buy a ticket is a whole world away from promoting and marketing them and thats not even taking into account is it the right event to put on. Maybe if people took some blinkers off and stopped getting the arse at people then things may improve.

Nellys heros have been good and raised money for the club, superb.

It does seem a samey samey entertainment policy with a demand or seething for people to attend or they arent supporting the club.

If you believe that rock and punk advertised to welling fans is the way forward, no one is stopping you, clearly what you have done has been a benefit.

If you want to get arsey and have a row , i will give you a lesson in marketing and promoting if you want.

Learn to not jump in or to not think everything is the bees knees when there are massive flaws.

Put on a Darts Exhibition
A Comedian
A Band
A Race Night
A Poker Night
A Games Night
A Sportsmans Evening
A Curry Night
Bingo?
Beer Festival
Talent Show for Bexley?
Night Classes

Weve put on a golf day but never attracted businesses, when i first put up the idea it was to bring in businesses, get townsend down to play with finnan and get businesses in to hob nob with them then hit them with the opportunities to get involved. Otherwise its a bacon roll and a chat with 10 welling fans rather than a money spinner.

There are a million different things the bar could be used for and hundreds of thousands of people to advertise them too.

Dont just say we have punk on in 2 weeks again and real fans of teh club should turn up.

Other people spend more at the club on a match day than they would at an event they dont like.

YES, its a benefit and YES well done, but as ive said a million times, just because someone does something doesnt make it the right thing to do.

I dont think anything will change until after the constitution or supporters meetings , when people will have some idea of whether all the hard work they may put in will get lost in a black hole or be a help in improving things.

Patsy i have no idea how long youve supported Welling, but there are so many people who in the past have been supportive of things that are waiting to see improvements, maybe they would turn up for regular nellys heros gigs. For those that like rock and punk you are catering for them. Are you telling me we should have loads of different peopel putting loads of things on? That would be a farce and people would get the hump if their event got 6 people and someone rammed the bar out.

We need a committee and people on that committee whith ideas and the balls and brains to get the tickets sold.

The bar needs a manager and an entertainment manager or committee, and some ideas, we need structure, organisation and mountain movers. It will only come about if there is a reason to do it and some reward. Most other clubs have this, most other clubs wouldnt put the same singer on every couple of months as the only option.

So i say carry on and well done every little helps, When you put on some diversity or the new supporters association has a fundraising section maybe there will be a base of people to advertise to and more ideas. At the moment its we are doing this come and buy a ticket and support the club.

-- Edited by JgFc on Wednesday 29th of December 2010 07:36:53 PM

1 Advertise outside the club
2 Put on Diverse events spaced out to give maximum time to advertise
3 Canvass the locals as to what they would support
4 Dont believe just because something is done its the dogs doodahs and everyone has to support it or keep their opinion shtum, i know a few feel a bit intimidated to attend or support events and hold their tongue because otherwise people will throw a strop.
5 have a look whats organised by other organisations and copy them if they are successful.

To say oh you do better to me is just liable to make me wet myself. There are many people associated with the club that could drive a supporters association/entertainment but there are many questions unanswered, and most of it will be left to those already in place unless the supporters get a lot more say and some exectutive clout.

Ive already discussed plenty of things that i would do with Bruno, Keith , also had chats about community projects with Morph. Just because i dont say right im putting on this at the club, arent i fantastic doesnt mean i havent probably got more nouse and marketing skills than anyone put together within 5 miles of PVR.

Ask yourself why people dont support the events outside 20 or so that turn up to every event? Dont just think that they should turn up.

I could list 20-30 activities or events to put on in the bar , i have done before. I could also list places to advertise them, i have done before.


I have every faith that if the supporters association is given clout people will join it, support it and help and they will attend events.

No one will ever make me go to anything i dont want to, so its probably your job as youve put yourself there to put on events people will attend isnt it?

-- Edited by JgFc on Wednesday 29th of December 2010 07:10:03 PM

Hi I have read all your comments and taken them on board. I dont get arsey and I dont row either. But I am willing to learn. So I am very willing to take you up on your offer in Marketing and Promoting JGFC.  You name a local cafe and  a date/time and I will meet you for a coffee and a chat.

Patsy wrote:

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JGFC you mentioned "pissing" in the wind.... I would not say that the £4k plus, raised by Nellys Heroes and myself on their "GIG" nights was pissing in the wind and I am angered at this. It takes two months to organise each gig. The bands DO bring their own support AND advertise outside the club as well as Welling Supporters.

I know that its not to everyones musical taste and even Bruno has found it difficult, if you feel you can provide better entertainment and organise a music night I will gladly buy a ticket as would Ron Manager. 


I would like to add that I have nothing to do with the shirt sponsorship as far as Im aware Blondie is dealing with this.

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Great post Patsy.  It's all very well other people posting on here how to make money for the club, but action speaks louder than words. I know that you and Sy, amongst others, have worked their socks off to make money for the club and I know the problems that you have faced - all for what?  The club wants transparency, when will we get it? Why have a go at Muzza - does he not speak for the majority?

 

I believe it was the club's decision to extend the date for the draw til the 8th, presumably due to the postponement of the Bromley match.
I am still plugging away at contacting businesses and spreading the word. If anyone would like to volunteer to flyer every single business in the locality then please do!
We have a lot of cynicism and disinterest to overcome from local business; the reputation of the club on that level is not wonderful, as I'm sure many will agree. It takes time to put things right and it is certainly like trying to push water uphill sometimes!
The new Supporters Association had our first meeting last night; our aims, objectives and outlined constitution will be available at the ground on Saturday - you will find us at a stall outside the club shop.

The sponsorship draw is still on, anyone who would like to help - please just yell!!!

JgFc wrote:

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For the same reason that gigs get a low turn out, if you only push things internally you are piissing in the wind and not maximising any attempts.

Not a dig just realism.

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One of the gigs was a sell out.

Patsy and Ron Manager have organized gigs, an auction night (Patsy worked tirelessly on obtaining items) and the team photos. Patsy also stands out in all weather selling scratch cards before every home game.

This is as a result of them taking direct action that they should not have to do but that they have done for Welling United.

I'm sure they would welcome an army ready to go here there and everywhere spreading the word but at least they are doing more than pii$$ing in the wind.

I agree that the bar should be used more but that is not the fault or responsibility of those that do get the occasional event on and i think the criticism levied at Patsy and RM is misdirected at best. 

Si

I think that things will improve under an association as people are attatched to the club/association through their membership card and will support it.

I am fully aware of the time put in standing selling tickets, What i would do is put on a hi viz jacket diff colour to stewards and get scoop to announce tickets are on sale and walk round the ground and in the stands at half time selling them?

Also we STILL dont sell the tickets online via a club site, its so easy and i know Si you have sold some on your webpage but how many know of the site, a page on WSU site specifically for tickets would help.

Also i would have flyers on the official site and the wsu that people could download and give out.

MAILING LISTS, we need mailing list scripts where people can be mailed with offers, event details, appeals etc etc

Local free press?? anyone asked them if they will advertise and put adverts in?

Anyone asked the local council if they will put it in their whats on promoting?

There are a few Welling sites, including the round table have we asked them to advertise?

Shop windows? Cafes? Pubs? Newsagents? REGULARLY displaying A3 posters of events.

Flyering homes? Flyering Train Stations? How about a wings news A4 or A5 folded booklet every month 6 weeks or quarter delivered to every house within a mile? You can list events there in a quarter page?

Car driving round with posters on it?

Free Ad and Classified Sites for South london and Kent?

How about having events AFTER MATCHES and inviting other fans to stay? Pick the bigger games where local teams are in town, Bromley , Ebbsfleet, Dartford, Dover. Obviously you need to put on something that may whet their appetite to get a few to stay.

Its 2011, the internet and sky tv and cheap drink in shops means you have to batter the community and offer value and a range of things or they will stay indoors. You need to get them down to the games too, ways of doing it.. Family Tickets, School offers, Kids for A Quid but all these offers need to be flyered to the community not put in the newshopper once or put in a programme.

bruno its not 1984 anymore and a place to go or be bored watching 4 tv channels. You HAVE to connect with the community.

There are ways of doing it that need communication, mailing list, flyers/newsletters to the community, upto date websites etc etc.

You wont succeed unless the association members support the events, those putting on events have a bit of vision and then you still need to pull in the locals.

If you work out x 1000s of leaflets would cost x amount.. you need to cover that by getting people down to the ground for the games or events.

I think its the only way you will do it. Especially if you offer family rates, kids for a quid half price returns.

LEWES have connected with the community and their gates are up 80% and they are likely to get relegated.

Its all about awareness

Obviously the new constitution or takeover will create a clean slate that you can advertise in the first newsletter for locals then you knock them bandy with info, offers and be organised enough to make sure their day at the ground hooks them.

IT CAN BE DONE, obviously bodies and organisation are needed.

My favourite saying comes into play if its any less (Pissing in the wind)... and thats not to say the 3 or 4 people selling events should do more, i dont think that all. THE CLUB should do more and have more savvy. That will come with the constitution or takeover IF and its a BIG IF there looks like change is going to come. If it all looks a load of bollocks or empty words then i dont even think the association will succeed, although we should all support it and sign up to see if they can make change happen.

Its a very interesting period for Welling United and theres a chance that things will be rosey, theres a chance though that we will be treading on eggshells and unable to do jack about the reputation and marketing and bring back people and bringing in new people.

EVERYTHING has to be right.





-- Edited by JgFc on Friday 31st of December 2010 07:12:06 PM