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JOHN


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With attendances averaging 671 the typical home match would produce around £5,000 in gate receipts which not only has to meet the expenses of the match but players' wages for two weeks. Dartford would have produced at least double this and the Trophy matches another £5,000. I am aware the Club has other income from sponsorship etc but there are also other running expenses to be met . Despite the postponements the receipts mentioned above are quite significant and yet the Club has not been able to get/keep up to date with wages payments.

Time for the lenders and supporters to up the ante and DEMAND a say in the running of the club NOW, and not be content with places on a subsidiary committee which will probably take to the end of the season to set up and then will only allow you to find out what has happened after the event (if you're lucky.)

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Ben281032 thanks for your reply and you forgot mr pugh of gillingham.

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None of the players are on stupid money. 4.5 budget should be achievable if we had a commercial department, when you add gate receipts to the bar/gold bond.

Whats killing us is all the debt and HMRC stuff from the past.

I think we just get the gate then the gold bond and the bar add it together pay wages and move on to next week, then when theres a shortfall take it from payments we should make to people and hope to get it back next week, clearly for a long time weve let it get worse.

How we get out of it i dont know, if the players go we are finished. How does a new WUSU get members or raise funds if we have 16 kids getting smashed every week, then crowds decrease debts rise and its goodnight vienna.

If we keep the players and the WUSA gets some time... MAYBE just MAYBE we can dodge the bullets. But the club would need to be owned by a trust IMHO.

If anyone sees it different then have your say.



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Squarevanman


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chelwing wrote:

What a sorry state of affairs. Sadly I feel that there is more than just this issue that we don't know about. We need the new constitution and reps from the WUSA and the "42" on the board to see what is really going on and offer some challenge.


Would imagine the "42" should know who wants to be their rep very soon as the closing date was Friday. Whoever you are best of luck to you.

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JgFc wrote:


I think we just get the gate then the gold bond and the bar add it together pay wages and move on to next week, then when theres a shortfall take it from payments we should make to people and hope to get it back next week, clearly for a long time weve let it get worse.

I think that you raise an interesting point JgFc. The gold bond brings in a lot of money I understand - I am not clear where it all goes. Hopefully we will have some answers when the books are more open.

 



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The debts are not crippling the club because the club was losing money anyhow, and the debts have either not been paid, or been paid by the 42. The club is insolvent, simple.

The club is losing money hand over fist with or without the debt. Our wage bill is not excessive in theory compared to others in the league, its in the middle compared to others, but we lose out on the other income streams other clubs exploit. Even someone like Thurrock, who have appalling attendances, probably bring in more per head on average than we do. On face value the wage bill looks okay, but when you factor in the whole package of running the club, it iss our biggest outgoing, and is too high for our income and turnover.

What concerns me most is that there has been NO change from within the club since the start of the season when this HMRC issue all came to light. The only additional money raised has been from supporters dipping into their own pocket, and this is now finished with. They cant keep coming and asking for donations.

Either way we need massive massive change, and asap. It will get worse before it gets better otherwise.

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I have hope in the new WUSA and the rep from the 42 to be able to challenge and have impact upon the club. My worry is that we were told that there would be a final proposal by the end of the month (January). On the previous history I fear that this deadline will be missed and then what do we do?

I hope to be proved wrong.

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Can't blame the players and management at all for coming out with their statement. They stood by the club the first time whilst the HMRC thing was going on but why should they face the continued worry of non payment every week.

Well done lads for the on-pitch performances during these testing times. You'll be rewarded in heaven !

Len

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If I understand correctly from what has been posted, if we get more than 2 weeks behind with contracted players wages we are in breach of contract, and thus contracted players could move on without Welling receive anything.

Surely it would be prudent, although not ideal, to ensure the likes of Parkinson, Pugh and Cumbers are kept fully paid up?

Graham

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Sidcup Graham wrote:

Surely it would be prudent, although not ideal, to ensure the likes of Parkinson, Pugh and Cumbers are kept fully paid up?

Graham
The danger with that is the effect it would have on team spirit.  

 



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Yep, totally agree - that's what I was getting at with 'although not ideal'.



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Away for the weekend so only got wind of this Saturday night.

An absolute 24 carat gold shambles. All those people patting the Hobbins on the back after we escaped the HMRC can now see exactly how far they have run our club into the ground. (Good luck to all the management team and playing staff whenever/wherever you may go - your conduct has been first class and so have a lot of your performances on the pitch)

They did NOTHING for two years whilst the debt escalated.

They did NOTHING to alleviate the debt but were bailed out by the supporters.

They talked about transparency and have done NOTHING about that either.

This club (still) exists IN SPITE OF them and NOT because of them.

A complete and utter disgrace.

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i not here to gloat  but i told you .so some of you look through rose tinted glasses.  ps im wellling through and through even  watching them at avery hill.

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JGFC- "if we have 16 kids getting smashed every week, then crowds decrease debts rise and its goodnight vienna"


Disagree with this JGFC. On average we only get something like 250 paying spectators per game, including away supporters. So say half of that 250-(125), stop attending then your losing say £10x 125=£1,250 minus 20% VAT. Thats only around 1k a week.

The only thing the players statement really says is that BH lied to the supporters when he claimed they had been payed up to date.



-- Edited by Chris on Monday 24th of January 2011 03:05:59 PM

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You would have thought that after such a public statement by the players and management that we would have some response from the club on the web site. We may not have believed it but to do nothing is not an option.

My fear is that if Jamie walks then the rest will follow and quickly. There are may teams that would love to have our players - Ebbsfleet and Bromley would love them to push on for the play offs and Dartford to stay up. Nobody would have to travel too far.

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Clarke travels from Peterborough to play for us ... sod doing that three times a week to be fed lies and not paid.

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Cant blame players if they leave,but next home match I hope the Hobbins get it in the neck Im so pissed off they walk around grinning and and chatting to there mates as if nothings happened.

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I don't believe chris powell has announced his coaching staff yet at charlton.....


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I still dont believe he got the job.

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This is outrageous, we should organise a protest after the next home game if things haven't improved. If the players and manager can't trust the club then the club is screwed and by default so are we the fans. Perhaps a show of solidarity with the players may keep them a bit longer. It's typical that the best team and manager we have had for years are being treated so badly that they may end up walking out. What is the Hobbins game plan with this, run the club into the ground and have us playing back in Danson Park? Dark days indeed and I was cautiously optimistic about the future of Welling United, I hope I am wrong

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The beginning of the end. If the players turn, then results will, and its game over.

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Me and Albie agree, and if it does continue, Wings could be in a " tits up " situation. Lets hope not.

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Ronnie-you been talking to that dog again? Does he know the offside rule-if so get him as a commentator on Sky sports

Completely agree, the players are the core of the whole thing and its clear that the budget doesnt match the revenue being generated. Should we survive the season, and lets hope so, we need to look at this in condsiderable depth or think about how monies will come in to justify the numbers involved.

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Live within your means, we all have to do it in life or we go skint.

Hobbins have so much experience of running the club after all these years I cannot understand how they have got into this situation. Floodlight issues aside they have must have been paying too much for the playing staff and whilst they are worth it and have been great this year, the club is not big enough to be paying it.

Clubs like Thurrock referenced above pay peanuts and yes that's why they are close to the bottom but they live within their means and are realistic, have no debt and whilst they are fortunate to have a decent owner they earn a pitence in comparison to Welling on gate and bar receipts, I bet there wage bill is a fraction of Wellings.

Lets be honest the club has never been promoted properly to the local area, whether its because they can't compete with Charlton and Millwall who knows, I've always felt more could be done creatively to promote Welling United and drum up more support.

Its a terrible shame its come to this, all the great work by the supporters to help bail the club out, these people are the life blood of Welling United and Hobbins needs to understand that without their support and intervention it would have perished and still might - do the right think and sign it over to the fans and contributers, give them a chance to run it if thats what they want.

Just keeping fingers crossed and hoping the situation gets levelled out, resolved and we can move on even if it means finishing 4th from bottom and watching a few substandard players, better than watching Erith and Belvedere!


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