I think with the above statement in mind we will now see players leave. It strikes me that the club are going head to head with the players, and many of them are clearly unhappy, and therefore will look elsewhere.
Granted these kind of statements are not helpful, but its obvious the players and management are losing patience and/or faith in the club and the promises they feel have not been kept.
-- Edited by Kevin on Monday 24th of January 2011 09:09:35 PM
Hard to argue with it in my opinion. When you look at whats been posted on here and on the Conf South board (although the reference to Welling's 'criminality' appears to have gone) you have to question whether it was really the most sensible thing to have done. Ok it may have dispelled some unfounded / misguided optimism but its bot exactly helped the search for new investors / owners.
I dont think the players were having a go, just saying that they didnt get the club into this mess, and they had been patient with regarding to wages, and had continued to perform over and above.
I dont think the statement was necessary but can understand why the players and management did it but only see it causing unrest, if the players stay then obviously ive misread it.
Bruno said that he doubts its a pre cursor to an exodus, i am not so sure. If they do go and havent been paid and have received no assurances they will get upto date ASAP you cannot blame them. The thing is here, if one or two go they will all drift off. They need to stay together.
One point to the clubs statement... if they are working on the debt/wages in the background, whilst it is correct it shouldnt be banded about on forums and via gossip, one would think if the players were aware of the work going on then given the wages are now 1 1/2 weeks in arrears (when they were 4 weeks), the timing of the statement is injudicious and is either wrong or the club should have made the players aware to have appeased them.
The players will respond on the pitch tomorrow, lets hope they come out firing and lets hope the club can get them paid within days so we keep them.
It could be a good thing or it could be the start of a mass exodus, the players will decide which.
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-- Edited by JgFc on Monday 24th of January 2011 09:21:15 PM
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Over the last few weeks the fans knew the players had played unpaid and were behind, so who are we telling the statement now to... if not oppo clubs?
On the flip side the Club should have not made promises they couldnt keep or go into overdrive commercially.
Lets see how the players react. When the players issue a public statement, its going to provide reactions from the fans and the club. Maybe thats what they want so it embarrasses the club into shaping up?
The fact no one is mentioning is... IF the games v Eastleigh and Bromley Or maybe just bromley had been played the players would be upto date.
Lets just sort this money out and get the players doing what they do best, and lets get this embargo off.
If the club get them their money in the next 2 weeks then the clubs statement will look more on the mark than the players. If the players wait a couple of weeks then go still unpaid then they will look correct.
What a ******* mess
-- Edited by JgFc on Monday 24th of January 2011 09:31:52 PM
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What good will that do ... why would someone forward it there ... it cant be from the club surely, they would want as little of this to be advertised as possible surely.
Bull****, Bull**** Bull**** from the club. I don`t believe a word anymore.
This mess has been going on since last August. It took 42 members from the crowd to get them out of the ****. They are still giving us a load of bollocks
-- Edited by Riverstown on Monday 24th of January 2011 09:42:44 PM
Is this the new transparency we were promised. The only time we get a comment form the club is when they are backed into a corner.....
I am afraid I don't believe a word that the club say anymore. If the officials at WUFC told me that Christmas Day was 25th December then I would still check my diary to make sure it was true............
I wont say anymore on this because I was asked not to ... but the 42 are actually now only 41 such as the contempt that one long standing individual thought the club had showed the loyal loyal fans.
The one time i believed welling could finaly make it to the playoffs...we had the deduction of 5 points...then the debt issue...now this! Very bad times.
would not worry about keeping it a secret - we have had nearly 4,000 hit on the manager and players statement thread already. - shame we could not have made it a pay for view thread, would of made some money.
-- Edited by morph on Tuesday 25th of January 2011 08:25:32 AM
The statement from either the players or the club was not put forward to the non league show by anyone at the club. It was picked up by people doing the show as they tend to check club sites if they have been in the news.
As for the club's statement, what did they expect? If players haven't been paid - on and off for quite a while now, plus what was said in the press and on messageboards then I don't think it's that bad to put fans in the picture.
Of course the club don't want it out there but why couldn't we have had an official statement a month ago saying about the postponments, difficulty paying the players etc etc. In my opinion the club allows rumour to develop because of their consistent lack of communication.
If someone could paste it for me, be most grateful (stupid work filters...)
Something strikes me as odd in their paragraph on the home page...the "managment and players" line in inverted commas...Do they not believe that to be the case then?
The Club wishes to express its extreme disappointment with a statement posted on the fans forum over the weekend by the "management and players".
The Club like the supporters is hugely appreciative of the efforts of the players and management team who so far this season have produced a strong performance despite the off the field challenges. That said it is even more appreciative of the lenders without whom the club may have been wound up and it's employees made redundant and therefore it takes great issue with any comments made which may destabilise matters and put at risk their investments.
Whilst there are elements of truth within the statement the Club's view is that the facts have been presented in a way to make matters seem far worse than is actually the case. We will not go into details within the statement as it is our considered opinion that the Worldwide Web is not the place to be discussing the wages and personal circumstances of our employees. More importantly it does nothing but hinder the Club's ongoing attempts to resolve the financial challenges that it is faced with.
The Club, as previously stated, is in the midst of a crucial financial review. Real progress has been made, but matters are far from being concluded, and we are continuing to negotiate the support of our key creditors to ensure we have a viable business model moving forwards. Consequently the message released, in the midst of sensitive negotiations elsewhere, has only served to distract the Club and its advisors from doing all it can to help safeguard the Club's future and that of it's employees and indeed protect the investment of the supporters who lent such significant sums recently.
As already advised the Club will be holding a meeting with the elected representative of the Supporters Association as well as the soon to be appointed Lenders Representative. The Club's solicitors are currently dealing with that appointment. Full financial information will be made available at that meeting, as has always been intended - but it can not be expected or right that full information is played out via the public domain.
We hope that going forward a greater deal of professionalism and sensitivity will be shown by those concerned and that the Club and those whom have been entrusted to help remedy matters can be given the time needed to deal with the issues without any further unnecessary distraction in order that the future of our Great Club can be ensured.
Posted on Jan 24,2011
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looks like it's approaching endgame and the club is extremely stupid to deliberately antagonise the players like this when they have no right as they havent kept up their side of the bargin and payed the players
another fantastic decisions by the club that just speeds up our downfall
Good luck with resolving all your issues. Your board are letting down the fans, players and management and really should walk and let someone else take over.
Out of interest, has anyone approached the board just to find out how much it would take to get rid of them? They don't own the ground do they so I guess it really shouldn't be too high.
When Barrie & Barry meet with the WUSA - we made our view point clear and objectively, Barry had made us aware of the following points.
1: that a financial review and business model is being written. 2: that Dan Chapman is writing a constitution. 3: Dan Chapman is sorting out the 42 - rep.
Once all in place a meeting will be set with the reps and the account - this is was what we were told.
In the statement issued by the club -these points have been highlighted and consitant in what was said at our meeting with the Hobbins Family.
At the time of the meeting it was felt that all would be complete ideally by the end of the month.
-- Edited by morph on Tuesday 25th of January 2011 05:27:00 PM
Agreed, but some are clearly of the opinion "too little too late" ... including the players it appears.
Some may be of that opinion Kevin but as I said in a previous post I do not believe that the management and players statement was a 'come and get me' scenario as you have suggested.
Nobody can deny that the players have remained committed to the Club and its supporters during the troubled times and there is no reason to suspect that this will not continue to be the case.
What has been said is that they have been and still are behind with payments and this cannot continue indefinitely, that they are not unsympathetic to the problems the Club is experiencing and they remain hopeful that the payment problem can be resolved as soon as possible. Perhaps all that is needed to effect this is to sit down with them, give them all the facts and reach agreement on a realistic timescale for the payment of what is outstanding.
The players know their potential as a team under the management of Jamie, Ash and Frosty and want to be part of that and who wouldn't in their shoes (or perhaps more aptly boots.)
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The statement from either the players or the club was not put forward to the non league show by anyone at the club. It was picked up by people doing the show as they tend to check club sites if they have been in the news.
As for the club's statement, what did they expect? If players haven't been paid - on and off for quite a while now, plus what was said in the press and on messageboards then I don't think it's that bad to put fans in the picture.
Of course the club don't want it out there but why couldn't we have had an official statement a month ago saying about the postponments, difficulty paying the players etc etc. In my opinion the club allows rumour to develop because of their consistent lack of communication.
This gets it in one Gary. The communication from the club regarding any events has been poor to say the least. We seem to be in a reactionary situation and only communicate when something happens
I understand the WUSA will take time to sit down and discuss a financial model with the owners but we seem to be no further forward regards any positive action since the monies were raised to pay the HMRC. I can only assume that the extra gate money we recived for the Dartford game went towards players wages?
Has there been any other action outside of the WUSA from the Commercial side of things now that we were placed on a more positive footing? Has anything else happened at all?
What is a concern is that there is clearly a rift now between owners and management and the whole thing is being played out on the Conference South messge board like a soap opera. If we lose key players in the next couple of weeks it would not suprise anyone and games against contenders are going to be coming up thick and fast.
I always thought in the past when other clubs were spashing the cash that we were prudent and it was a bombshell when the petition landed. We have done little to help ourselves of late and if history repeats itself there will be little input into the club, which I hope is not the case.
I am getting cheesed off with the whole thing and at the moment despite having been a season ticket holder for over 15 years am wondering if I should just not bother next season. Thankfully the football on the pitch and the management team have excelled themselves. If we were relegagtion fodder at the moment there would no dobt have been a mutiny.