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Not that it bothers us, but there was the annual chaos of the transfer window last night. It does seem that the elite part of football has indeed finally lost touch with all reality...£50 million for an injury-hit Spanard, £35 million for a player quite unproven at that level and who could be in jail this time next year if he carries on and around £23 million for a forward who's also a decent keeper.

Meanwhile, we, and other clubs around the country, struggle to keep afloat and with what finances we have.

Seriously, it beggars belief. And I'm listening to talkSPORT last night, while they question if these players are worth MORE!

Your thoughts, as ever, ladies and gents.

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Yeah but we got Torres!!

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OH NO WE HAVEN'T !!! WE HAVE GOT PIRES, NOT TORRES, ha ha  (priceless)

-- Edited by Patsy on Tuesday 1st of February 2011 05:13:28 PM

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How about 10% of all transfer money goes to the football trust and some has to be spent on ground improvements? It's about time those dumps at Stamford Bridge and Upton Park were done up.

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It's absolutely astonishing that Chelsea, who are currently operating at a loss each year can spend that amount acquiring players. Not only that but fans of these teams lap it up and also seem to lose touch with a bit of reality over the sort of money being spent and paid to these players.
Platini has been talking about preventing teams who operate at at least 5 million loss a year from taking part in UEFA competitions. I think an even better idea would be implementing something we're all familiar with.......TRANSFER EMBARGO!!!

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At the weekend Crawley were referred to as the Manchester City of Non League. We have all seen the boom and bust of Hornchurch, Lewes, Weymouth, the list could go on and on. How Crawley can sign a striker for £250k is beyond most clubs wildest dreams but you could say the gamble paid off as I heard today they will bank around £1m from the draw against Strettford Rangers

At some point there needs to be a bridge to divide how clubs at our level can move away from fretting on games not being called off just to be able to meet the bills. Some investment into lower league football might just produce the Torres of England that we are all looking for and maybe stop many clubs at our level folding completely

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I was listening to my car radio about a chap in the good old USA.  Not sure if he was a netball or rounders player. Anyway he is injured and had a choice of getting his injury fixed and be off playing for most of the season. Or not get the injury fixed and  playing sub standard for the rest of the season. In either case he would be on his full wage of 12 million dollars. The bloke stunned everyone by saying he wanted out, said it would be unfair to draw such a pay packet for virtually s@# all. Admittedly he has earnt 40 million dollars over the past few years so he is not short of a few bob.
Could anyone imagine the same situation arising in the Premiership or even league 2 in this country?



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I agree this is silly money - it could be monopoly money as far as far as I am concerned. But Platini' ideas would never work. If I am loaded and buy a football club as a business and then decide to invest some of my money in the club in order to win things and bring in more profits - then that is my choice. As BKK said it is a gamble but in Crawley's case they splashed out a lot and will now make a profit. I know others don't succeeed but the point is when some-one buys a business it is up to them how they run it. You wouldn't tell some-one who buys factory that he can only use the moeny that the facotrry makes to reinvest. He can use whatever he wants.

Now that Ambramovich has spent 70m of his personal fortune on players - that money is now in football rather than in his bank on buying a new yacht. Most of it is sitting in Newcastle's bank account ready to be spent on players and will hopefully help a number of clubs. Football is 70m better off.

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The Premier League has been boring since its inception in 1993.

Only 4 teams have won the premiership with Man United winning it 11 times out of 18. Arsenal and Chelsea 3 each and Blackburn 1.

The rich get richer and the poor get brown stuff over them.

We could take a leaf out of the Australian Rules Football book. They imposed a salary cap called the Total Player Payments (TPP). It enforces a maximum wage bill for all clubs.

It means you can buy the best player in the world and pay him a fantastic wage but it would leave you with less money to pay the rest of the squad. 

The vast majority of successful Aussie Rules teams were in Victoria but since the TPP it's now spread throughout the country. 

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I think the viewing figures for the Premier League, both in the grounds and on T.V. would suggest otherwise. Its global appeal also suggests that it is very successful.

Whilst this continues I can't see many changes.

Personally I rarely go to any Premiership games any more - prefer watching Welling, but I am in a very small minority.

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Squarevanman wrote:

I was listening to my car radio about a chap in the good old USA.  Not sure if he was a netball or rounders player. Anyway he is injured and had a choice of getting his injury fixed and be off playing for most of the season. Or not get the injury fixed and  playing sub standard for the rest of the season. In either case he would be on his full wage of 12 million dollars. The bloke stunned everyone by saying he wanted out, said it would be unfair to draw such a pay packet for virtually s@# all. Admittedly he has earnt 40 million dollars over the past few years so he is not short of a few bob.
Could anyone imagine the same situation arising in the Premiership or even league 2 in this country?



-- Edited by Squarevanman on Tuesday 1st of February 2011 07:43:16 PM

Great bit of info vanman ... bit that made me laugh though is a netball or rounders player if they are on that money we may as well all give up now i think you will find it is Basketball or Baseball .... just some friendly banter and you made me smile!

 



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All these posts show us non league followers are of the same mind.We see the difference between Premiership League and non league.The difference in money that top players ,(that are IMO, are not that much better skill wise than the players we prefer to watch)can make is obscene.
I have followed pro clubs, but I get more out of non league than I could ever get from the top level.
I beleive the 500 or so people that support Welling week in week out are more down to earth, genuine people who know football. We identify with the players situation. Thats why the 42 did what they did.

How the wealth in football can be spread around from top to grass roots is only ever given a passing thought by the people running the game.

We all know greed is always there. 

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Forgot to add . Totally agree wit Alan S post.

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Would you trust the Hobbins with loads of money.

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See, there's two sides to how things should be done...

On one, you have Abramovich. Yes he's bought several star players and yes, he's told managers who to play in the past (Shevchenko and I'd imagine, to a degree, Torres), but apparently he has cleared the clubs debt, meaning if he bailed, Chelsea wouls still be able to function because they would be room for them to get into debt again (I'm not a money-minded man, but it's a twisted logic). Plus, it's his money and he'll never spend it all in his lifetime.

On the other, you have the Shiekhs at Man City, who, to the best of my knowedlge, have come in, spent loads on player and facilties...But still have the club's debt. now, with this in mind, if they bailed, City are in dire straits...how can they pay wages? Rent? It's set up a bit 'Pompeiii' and could fall like it too.

These losses though are a disgrace. Chelsea lost as much as they paid out for Torres and Luiz...Regardless of who would handle money here, just a smidge of that would help us out.

That Aussie Rule idea sounds good Alan, unfortunately with the power the PL hold, it wouldn't be enforced. The PL is danger of becoming what Rugby Union used to be of old: I do think soon that the idea of a 'closed' league will be mooted, not offcially, but with so many guidelines, those from the Champioship would ever get a look in.

And regardless of it's popularity around the world chelwing, it's a personal thing with people. I don't watch it because of the money, because I can't relate to players and because...Well, I find it boring a lot of the time.

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In answer to Mr Squarevanman....a Premiership player famously tore up his contract some seven years ago.

I refer you to one Mauricio Taricco who left left Spurs in 2004.
He was signed by Alan Pardew for West Ham United but then tore his hamstring just half an hour into his debut against Millwall.
He then then offered to have his contract with the club cancelled which the club accepted and he retired from professional football.
Pardew said at the time it was one of the 'most honest' gestures he had ever seen a player make.
The Argentinian defender has since teamed up with Gus Poyet at Brighton as assistant manager - and has even made a few reserve and first team appearances this season!
Thought you might like to know....

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We have had a player do this before. Ian Cousins suffered a bad injury that would keep him out for months, he was contracted and could have took the money but apparently he "ripped up the contract".



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Thanks to joe free and JgFc. Nice to know that there are some players out there who do that sort of thing.

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