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Stringer's certainly built this Stortford team in the image of his old Braintree team.

Two nil Stortford.

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Ref terrible, but can't blame him for their second goal, which was a free header.

Two nil to them at half time.

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Baker on for Fairweather-Johnson.

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Main on for Hughes-Mason.

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It's just not our day. Lafayette just missed a shot that you would have expected him to bury.

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And now Clarkey's put a free header over the bar. one of those days i thinlk...

Definitely not our day. Franks sent off for deliberate hand ball and another penalty to Stortford.


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Three nil Stortford.

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Williams on for Healy.

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Stortford deserve this win. yes, ref is awful and has made some odd decisions, but Stortford have just been better than us on the day. Their number 9 was a real handful.

I dislike Rod Stringer immensely, but you can't argue with his record. I just can't understand why Stortford aren't doing better in the league.

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5 minutes' injury time.

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Good save from Mott to stop them going four up.

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Three one. Main.

Don't know why we've left it this late to put a move like that together.

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Final score three one to Stortford.

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Careful guys, they are getting offended at mentions they are bringing a car load. They did bring 21 fans the last time they came to Welling so we need to not under estimate their travelling numbers. 21 is more than Boreham Wood and Staines bring. Cant see them singing a lot so good chance for our fans to make themselves heard.

I cant wait for Saturday its going to be a knockout day.


 It certainly turned out to be a 'knockout day'. Trouble is that the 'knockout' came from the opposition! Too much chit chat taking place about who to play in the next round before trying to get the business done in this one. Seen and heard it all before, smacks of 'counting chickens' etc etc. Underestimate at your peril!!!



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Careful guys, they are getting offended at mentions they are bringing a car load. They did bring 21 fans the last time they came to Welling so we need to not under estimate their travelling numbers. 21 is more than Boreham Wood and Staines bring. Cant see them singing a lot so good chance for our fans to make themselves heard.

I cant wait for Saturday its going to be a knockout day.


 It certainly turned out to be a 'knockout day'. Trouble is that the 'knockout' came from the opposition! Too much chit chat taking place about who to play in the next round before trying to get the business done in this one. Seen and heard it all before, smacks of 'counting chickens' etc etc. Underestimate at your peril!!!


 It was speculation rather than expectation. And frankly, unless it transmits to the players - and they are professional enough to ignore it - then it doesn't make a blind bit of difference.



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I thought the ref was pretty good right up to the first penalty. Diablical decision and he went downhill after that and booked just about anything that moved.

Stortford deserved their win though with some good passing.

We just didn't seem to turn up again for a cup match.

 



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Im going to start this post in a positive way. At times in the first half we passed the ball and played some of the best football I've seen this year. Secondly, Stortford look a half decent team and played well today.

Right now on to the meat of this post. Without beating around the bush there are far too many players not up to it or not bothering for me at the moment. The following players are not good enough and are begginning to cost us (no more lets give it time they've had time and shown nothing!!). Theo. Keirnan, Motty, Clarke!! Not one of them has shown me anywhere near the level I expect from them. I would have Cracknell over anyone of these players, he should never have been released IMO!!

If it wasn't for Roscoe we would be in deep deep brown!

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We had an injury to our left back, which lead to our right back playing at left back, centre back at right back and the always disastrous centre back pairing of Anthony and Martin in the middle. The defence should be built around having Franks in the middle, as it has been proven time after time that Martin & Anthony doesnt work. Anthony looks a different player when next to Franks/Parkinson.



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The question is then why not try and sign a RB or LB. We don't have a RB only Faz and although he does a good job isn't a RB. Young Jack Evans who brilliant at RB and LB whilst on loan last year is currently at Corby Town!! Why not try and get he back??

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Simply AWFUL

We should have started with Barney at Left Back....Faz at R Back and Franks and whoever in the middle

How can we play so well last week and so badly today.....what is it about cup games and limited opposition......I though BS set up well to harry the ref at any available opportunity....A typical Stringer team if you remember Braintree...but hey it worked for them although it must be grim to watch every week

looking at their league table they obvioulsy raised themselves today.....we were asleep

They owe us next week at maidenhead BIG TIME

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Well done to BS. I hope you get a good draw tomorrow. Perhaps you'll draw a team that actually turns up and gives you a game. We were pants today as we've been in all the FA cup games. Don't blame the ref or anyone else we were just sh*t. End of! Back to the BSS where we play like a team most weeks not like a bunch of strangers. Onwards and upwards!

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Good shout Tom and even from my position in the old stand, it was a great tackle. When Ash complained to the lino and fourth official, the 4th said that he hadn't seen it, yet he saw another incident much further away a little later. Also on the subject, why was the 4th always winking at the lino and why did the ref come out in the second half, stand and chat to Stringer, then walk away smiling?

OK, tenuous links I know, but Stringer and his assisstant were always outside their area and mainly standing on the pitch. 4th asked them a few times to get back, then gave up. Their keeper was a piss taker, as were most of their players, surrounding the ref if one of their ' players ' went down on the slightest touch.

Apart from the ref being as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike and our players not beginning to gel together as a team, the afternoon was OK.  Why do we not play to our strengths againgst lower opposition?



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They arent lower oppo and it was mentioned in the new stand that the ref was with Stringer before the second half started and it got a few fans questioning it.

Whilst you cant deny on balance they deserved it ..... thats all AFTER the penalty was given so i believe strongly the ref affected the game and Stortford got a huge advantage from a poor decision when it was an even game and 0-0. What went on after i would have thought wouldnt, had we not been 1-0 down and had a defender booked. The fact weve lost one league game in over a season at home and were at least as good as Stortford before the penalty was given would support that.

Nothing wrong with the 2nd goal or the sending off, but we had been snookered by the penalty he awarded.


Refs shouldnt affect games, and especially not big games like today with a game changing incorrect decision that if Stortford get a dream draw could be very costly and had been the catalyst.



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Firstly the positives:

Rosscoe - today was further evidence that Jamie's unearthed another gem. He was one of the only starting players to give 100% and seem like he was fully committed to the cause today. Delighted that he's on a contract for the rest of the season. Unlucky not to score. 

Jon Main - once again when he came on proved that he's still the best finisher in non-league football. If (and admittedly that may be a big if) he's anywhere near fully fit he should be starting almost every week

Loui Faz - played out of position yet again but still tried to get up and down and once more put in a consistent performance

 

Now the (numerous) negatives:

Jake Gallagher - lost count of the number of times he gave the ball away in midfield and looked really out of his depth again

Sam Mott - distribution was really poor today and was to blame for the third goal, forcing Fraser Franks to give away the penalty

Joe Healy & Lee Clarke - totally anonymous today. Been brilliant for us for years though so can't be too harsh on them

KHM - undoubedly a talented player but seems scared to run at players

The referee - shocking all match. Penalty was an unbelievably bad decision and changed the flow of the game completely. Anthony was having a good game before that and his confidence was obviously shook after from it. Having said that our reaction to the goal was terrible. Started feeling sorry for ourselves and we deserved to lose the match overall as Bishop's Stortford wanted it far more than us - their 9 was a brute of a player and MOTM for me

To be honest i've given up on having a decent FA Cup run for a few years yet. We were terrible in the two previous rounds and were fortunate to get through against lower league opposition. I'd be very surprised if Jamie is that bothered about the cup, and his reaction on Kent Radio afterwards along the lines of "we're disappointed but everyone will forget this if we do well in the league for the next month".

I suppose first and foremost he's judged on league form though and he's been the best manager we've had since i've supported us (only 7 years admittedly) and we're very lucky to have him so can't blame him for it too much, disappointing as it is

 

Overall a grim day but move on to a huge match at Maidenhead next week, fully expecting the lads to bounce back and get 3 points

 



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Sorry realise I've moaned on a bit but one last negative - the number of fans in the old stand who spend the whole match shouting at our own players and getting on their backs. It's been going on for a couple of seasons now and it's got too far. Even in matches when we're 3 goals up they manage to be negative. Today they were within their rights but it's getting ridiculous at times how hypocritical some of them are. The two players who came in for the most abuse from them last year (Loick and Parky) are the ones who've moved up a division



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They arent lower oppo and it was mentioned in the new stand that the ref was with Stringer before the second half started and it got a few fans questioning it.

Whilst you cant deny on balance they deserved it ..... thats all AFTER the penalty was given so i believe strongly the ref affected the game and Stortford got a huge advantage from a poor decision when it was an even game and 0-0. What went on after i would have thought wouldnt, had we not been 1-0 down and had a defender booked. The fact weve lost one league game in over a season at home and were at least as good as Stortford before the penalty was given would support that.

Nothing wrong with the 2nd goal or the sending off, but we had been snookered by the penalty he awarded.


Refs shouldnt affect games, and especially not big games like today with a game changing incorrect decision that if Stortford get a dream draw could be very costly and had been the catalyst.


 They are 16th in the Conny North - lower than us

They wanted it, we appeared not to

Would like to see that on video

100% agree

Anyway, let's now concentrate on the League - onwards and upwards

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Despite being 2 goals down at half time I felt sure we could pull the game back but was very disapointed with our performance in the 2nd half.

Like or loathe the tactics employed by Stringer and his side the gameplan worked and they did a job on us (and the referee) and have progressed to the next round.

Let's hope that the squad can put the defeat behind them and next next Saturday get off to a flying start to a testing month ahead in the League and hopefully a couple of FA Trophy games.



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I hope they get a great draw, non league teams could use all the help they get. Despite having death threats and threats of noncey abuse against my family from one of their fans for months in emails and on his forum ... i couldnt hope their club got crap treatment just for one fan being a complete idiot.

It will be good for non league if some of the smaller clubs get great draws and exposure on tv and money and i hope stortford get a cracker.

It could also motivate our players. How you respond to adversity shapes your future, we are sitting nicely in the league so if we respond well we can have a great season and there is always the fa trophy to have a cup run, weve reached the quarter finals before so lets reach the semis at least?



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Firstly the positives:

Rosscoe - today was further evidence that Jamie's unearthed another gem. He was one of the only starting players to give 100% and seem like he was fully committed to the cause today. Delighted that he's on a contract for the rest of the season. Unlucky not to score. 

Jon Main - once again when he came on proved that he's still the best finisher in non-league football. If (and admittedly that may be a big if) he's anywhere near fully fit he should be starting almost every week

Loui Faz - played out of position yet again but still tried to get up and down and once more put in a consistent performance

 

Now the (numerous) negatives:

Jake Gallagher - lost count of the number of times he gave the ball away in midfield and looked really out of his depth again

Sam Mott - distribution was really poor today and was to blame for the third goal, forcing Fraser Franks to give away the penalty

Joe Healy & Lee Clarke - totally anonymous today. Been brilliant for us for years though so can't be too harsh on them

KHM - undoubedly a talented player but seems scared to run at players

The referee - shocking all match. Penalty was an unbelievably bad decision and changed the flow of the game completely. Anthony was having a good game before that and his confidence was obviously shook after from it. Having said that our reaction to the goal was terrible. Started feeling sorry for ourselves and we deserved to lose the match overall as Bishop's Stortford wanted it far more than us - their 9 was a brute of a player and MOTM for me

To be honest i've given up on having a decent FA Cup run for a few years yet. We were terrible in the two previous rounds and were fortunate to get through against lower league opposition. I'd be very surprised if Jamie is that bothered about the cup, and his reaction on Kent Radio afterwards along the lines of "we're disappointed but everyone will forget this if we do well in the league for the next month".

I suppose first and foremost he's judged on league form though and he's been the best manager we've had since i've supported us (only 7 years admittedly) and we're very lucky to have him so can't blame him for it too much, disappointing as it is

 

Overall a grim day but move on to a huge match at Maidenhead next week, fully expecting the lads to bounce back and get 3 points

 


Bit harsh on Jake did you note the number of times that he was the quickest getting back after busting his guts when they countered when we had no defenders in our half at all? It was a few times, when we were playing 0-8-2 in their half when it was 0-0 and when they scored when we were taking more risks granted. Its his first season of senior football, he was youth player of the season at Millwall and hes played well in games. Give him more than a month to get settled and get behind the youngsters especially, The older ones can take a bit of critiscm if its warranted and constructive.

Theo and Kiernan have both showed they can be dangerous, They need a bit more belief, a bit of luck and possibly to bulk up a little, but they will.

Kiernan is quick gets back , breaks up, and on Saturday he put Ross away in the clear and also played in Clarkie with a peach of a pass around the box.

The stick Baker gets is a disgrace, he came on and created 3 chances, he scares defenders. Needs getting behind not moaning at and i would start him.



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THE BLONDE KID IN A HOODIE wrote:

Would have has an amazing chance for 2nd round proper, would have had Hastings at Home


 What's the point of harping on - we couldn't even beat Stortford. They were up for it, we weren't.

PS - in the fixtures list, it shows that we lost 3 - 0 . I thought that it was 3 - 1



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Marks thrown in the towel and isnt gonna watch the draw in 10 mins. I dont know why? Footballs football. Aston Villa and Welling are my two teams through thick and thin and seems Villa's going through thick at the min, but if theres a game worth seeing, I'll go. Simple as. Hope all the best for Stortford and all the other non-leagues in the draw, except Dirtford. Its good to see non-league sides do well against the big clubs. Just hope some of the sides can do what Chelmsford did last season and what Havant did a couple of years back. Shame we couldnt do it but, obviously wernt meant to be. Always next year or the FA Trophy this year. Still done well to get the prize and gate moneys we did. May have been a bad performance that ended our cup run but we went two rounds further than last year. Always look on the bright side of life.

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Great draw for them. Home to Hastings.


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Would have has an amazing chance for 2nd round proper, would have had Hastings at Home

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Sam Mott - distribution was really poor today and was to blame for the third goal, forcing Fraser Franks to give away the penalty


How? Franks made the decision to handle it, nobody else.

 

Ok maybe he didn't literally force him to give away the penalty. He put him in a tough position though by not getting to the ball before their 9 and failing to put it into touch



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Some good draws for non-leagues, Arsley at Coventry, Dorchester at Home to Plymouth and Hendon are at Aldershot

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Seeing we'd have had Hastings at home is gutting, ffs



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Seeing we'd have had Hastings at home is gutting, ffs


 Would the numbers have been the same?



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Marks thrown in the towel and isnt gonna watch the draw in 10 mins. I dont know why? Footballs football. Aston Villa and Welling are my two teams through thick and thin and seems Villa's going through thick at the min, but if theres a game worth seeing, I'll go. Simple as. Hope all the best for Stortford and all the other non-leagues in the draw, except Dirtford. Its good to see non-league sides do well against the big clubs. Just hope some of the sides can do what Chelmsford did last season and what Havant did a couple of years back. Shame we couldnt do it but, obviously wernt meant to be. Always next year or the FA Trophy this year. Still done well to get the prize and gate moneys we did. May have been a bad performance that ended our cup run but we went two rounds further than last year. Always look on the bright side of life.


 Thrown in the towel? How does not disturbing a civilised family Sunday lunch to watch an F.A. Cup draw which does not include the team I support constitute throwing in the towel? 



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Avoided draw until now, would of been another tricky tie to be fair as they would of been well up for it to. lee clarke put it best yesterday in the bar "the cups done, so we'll just have to win the league instead".

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