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Scenario

Beat top team at our level get a rival who you possibly owe one...

Fans can be positive "Weve stuffed newport lets beat woking"

or can be like a smiths song "Im not going as we have to stand in the wet, What a crap draw. boring etc etc "


Bores the crap out of me. You should want to win every game and support the boys in every game, if you dont then theres plenty of footy on TV or you could go shopping, like many did on saturday. I couldnt give a toss what their opinions are.

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Answer the point. You assert the negativity on here will affect the team when the positivity surrounding the three games mentioned seemed to have, if anything, an adverse affect...



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I must admit when I saw the draw, I was thinking not Woking again, then I thought great. It will be good to see how our team compares against last years side, especially against last seasons bss champions. I am delighted we are playing a team in a league above, it seems when we play teams at or below our level we struggle to deliver, however the lads can express themselves and you never know.

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Answer the point. You assert the negativity on here will affect the team when the positivity surrounding the three games mentioned seemed to have, if anything, an adverse affect...

 I will say that being blase and moaning about oppo cannot be a positive for the players.

What was the crowd for Concord? 250? I think those that couldnt give a toss voted with their feet, Had it been 550 would we have won easier?



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Anyone can be negative but if its constructive, not just hes crap get rid of him. I'm pleased that a few of the youngsters that were dug out have been playing well lately and all being productive. But those same people will be saying soon what a great player lets get them on contract.

Negative, ill informed, clueless people are a bore. imvhaco.

Those that are bored by the Woking draw can get updates from Radio Surrey or ceefax.

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Given our history over the last 10 years of getting a decent crowd and then stiffing (some cup games, days when we have been the only game on for miles around) I'm not sure that follows either.

Borehamwood on a wet Tuesday night. Some of us go and support, with enthusiasm on the night, but it doesn't necessarily mean to say I would be selling it or the trip there to anyone else as the ultimate match experience prior to it, as it most certainly isn't to me. The same just happens to apply to some people about Woking and I dare say it applied to a percentage of the Newport who turned up at PVR on Saturday. Sh*t happens. 



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I agree with that. Big hand for the loser.

However, "Ultimate Matchday experience?"  Surely the fans want the team to do well in league and cups and will support at each game. Those that want to support for some games or "cant be arsed" to go... Fine but do you really need to bring everyone down like Neil from the young ones or Morrissey?

 

 Neil Morrisey?

The most important thing is the football. I don't like being segregated but it won't stop me giving the team my full backing.

What is disappointing is that an away game is also a day out and Woking does not provide many attractions,

As I said earlier, let's get through this one, it is very winnable, and maybe we can get a home draw which pulls in a crowd, or an away day somewhere we have never been before, or not for a long time,

Anyway, we have three very important league games first. Let's get some points on the board then we can worry about the trophy.



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Mark i agree many go for the day out and Woking wont excite them, Dover fans have a way around this, they hate going to Boreham wood so they go elsewhere first. I just think its disrespectful to our players to moan at being in the 2nd round away at a club who arent going great guns when we have just spanked newport from here to next week. We are building momentum and positivity.



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Mark i agree many go for the day out and Woking wont excite them, Dover fans have a way around this, they hate going to Boreham wood so they go elsewhere first. I just think its disrespectful to our players to moan at being in the 2nd round away at a club who arent going great guns when we have just spanked newport from here to next week. We are building momentum and positivity.

 I don't think anyone is saying that watching Welling play is boring. The fact that people don't fancy a day out in Woking or possible segregation but will still be there cheering on the team shows how much everyone is positive and fully behind the team.

The fact is, would anyone ever want to go to Woking if Welling weren't playing there?



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If you look at the teams left in, well over half are teams we've never played or haven't played for a long, long time. For anyone wanting someone a bit different then we've been unlucky - but who's to say we can't get that elusive trip later in the competition?

[violin starts up] It's not the like the old days anyway, back then fans didn't mind who they played, the big teams really cared about the competition,  etc. etc.



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So Chris you won't go if it's segregated? So if Welling get promoted this year then I take it you won't be going to most of the away games next season?

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Can I just remind people this is called a "fans" forum not a whole club including the players forum! If the players decide to look on here they have to expect people having their opinions whether good, bad or indifferent! I do feel over the last few weeks this forum has become run by one persons positive opinion which is fine each to their own!

Id also like to remind people that YOU slated several players, named them and said they aint good enough. Two of those players have been very good in the last few games.

Whilst it is a fans forum, if you are going to post bollox then its wise to think twice in your case.  YOU have proved you havent got a clue about players, youve also slated at least 6 of them. You ripped into Kiernan, Theo and the Keeper. You were told you were WRONG, theyve been playing well lately which is proving you wrong.

If you are going to post negative bollocks thats incorrect then you will be pulled up on it. Post what you like, but youve got a recent history of slagging off most of the team and being wrong.

 



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Jamie

My beef with Muzza is he named and ripped into 5 or 6 players and on more than one occaision said people werent good enough. He berated the youngsters, said not good enough. He was told he was wrong, Now hes trying to back track?

What use was ******** off the players especially the young ones? Does he not realise they improve dramatically through experience and coaching? It just emphasizes how DURRRRRRRRRRR Muzza was in giving them both barrells and not acknowledging the good parts of their game.

Like i said i never had a problem with him till he started popping me, then he started slagging off the players with clueless comments. His posts were very injudicious, negative and clueless. If he holds his hands up he can learn from his mistakes.

Ive bided my time with Muzza despite him popping me. I knew he was wrong and have pleasure in the youngsters proving him wrong.

Many years ago, i and others said a player wasnt good enough, that player is probably the best technical player at this club, has a fine character, plays because he enjoys it not for huge wage packet and he shoved it right up those fans that said why has Jamie re signed him. We all held our hands up and also apologised to him to his face. He has been immense for us.

 





 



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What the klaxxon are you on about now. We arent talking about the klaxxon terraces we are talking about the forum. and your rabid incessant klaxxoning off of certain players.

You just not very good at evaluating players, its fine really just try not to slag them all off all the time. its incorrect and very boring and not helpful.

 

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Its nothing tio do with the party line. If people are going to post bollox then they are open to people pointing out they are out of order and wrong. What ****ing benefit is there for Muzza slagging off the youngsters, who have all stepped up lately. NONE. hes an idiot.

NEXT...

 

In fact i am gonna ignore him, and just laugh at him.



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Can I just remind people this is called a "fans" forum not a whole club including the players forum! If the players decide to look on here they have to expect people having their opinions whether good, bad or indifferent! I do feel over the last few weeks this forum has become run by one persons positive opinion which is fine each to their own!

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Played well in one game in my opinion and I have said such things. You're the one banging on about the players not wanting to play away at Woking because some fans don't want to travel there! Which I, and numerous others will probably believe to be bollocks!

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Can I just remind people this is called a "fans" forum not a whole club including the players forum! If the players decide to look on here they have to expect people having their opinions whether good, bad or indifferent! I do feel over the last few weeks this forum has become run by one persons positive opinion which is fine each to their own!

Id also like to remind people that YOU slated several players, named them and said they aint good enough. Two of those players have been very good in the last few games.

Whilst it is a fans forum, if you are going to post bollox then its wise to think twice in your case.  YOU have proved you havent got a clue about players, youve also slated at least 6 of them. You ripped into Kiernan, Theo and the Keeper. You were told you were WRONG, theyve been playing well lately which is proving you wrong.

If you are going to post negative bollocks thats incorrect then you will be pulled up on it. Post what you like, but youve got a recent history of slagging off most of the team and being wrong.

 

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Dont spin peoples words. Ive said it wont help not that they dont want to play. Would you like me to list ALL of your posts slagging off the team?

PS Kiernan has played very well his last 3 appearances two halfs and a game against Ebbsfleet, where you there? Motty has kept Clean sheets? Do you really watch the games? Theos link up play is really coming along and he and Healy are starting to work well off each other.

I never had a problem with you until you popped me out twice for no reason then started slagging off the players. Now i just see you write utter crap and see how poor you are reading games and players performances.



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Lets say Muzza thought Lloyd Blackman was a fantastic striker and we sorely miss him. His opinion would be wrong,

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I am quite happy to admit Kiernan and Theo (I've taken Motty out of this because I believe he has come on leaps and bounds recently) have played well in possibly the last two games as I have stated in other posts. Does that really mean my opinion of them before is now wrong? Does it make your opinion that they are world beaters correct? Not so sure?!?

When they do it consistently I will take back my comment stating "the jury is still out on them!"

I'm slightly concerned you know what games I've attended more than I do? How's this?

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I'm slightly concerned you know what games I've attended more than I do? How's this?

 It's the spot the crowd competition, Jgfc is current champion having guessed right for the last 73 home games. It all started when he won the wheres wally world championships back in 81. 



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PMSL. Its just a sharp mind and remembering most of the games that Muzza has slagged off the players in. I said at the time you were out of line slating the youngsters, now they are gaining more consistency SHOCK HORROR, wonder why?.... you want to take it back. PMSL.

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I am quite happy to admit Kiernan and Theo (I've taken Motty out of this because I believe he has come on leaps and bounds recently) have played well in possibly the last two games as I have stated in other posts. Does that really mean my opinion of them before is now wrong? Does it make your opinion that they are world beaters correct? Not so sure?!?

When they do it consistently I will take back my comment stating "the jury is still out on them!"

I'm slightly concerned you know what games I've attended more than I do? How's this?

 WOAH>>>> So on more than one occasion you come on here and STATE Mott aint good enough, then you cry when pulled up on it... NOW you want to retract it?

 

PMSL, quality

 

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I will say one thing though jgfc, and this is not personal to you just a opinion on the whole. I'm not sure of the exact level of slagging off of players from muzza, but this is a fans forum in which people should be allowed to put forward a opinion without getting berated about it. I'm actually glad i can only put about 10 faces to names on here, that way to me it's just another person saying what they think without me having a opinion on them.
In regards to a couple of players mentioned, if you were behind the goal at a couple of early games you would of heard a lot of the same comments from various people, but we didn't all start arguing and putting each other down about it you just wait and see what happens and then say "i told you so" after and have a beer ..it's just what happens at football and will never change because you can never take expectation out of football, i've said and thought a couple of things myself and when i do its in the hope i'm proved wrong!

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Not sure i ripped into them (if anyone would like to check JG has posted all my negative messages on the other post)

Also just want to remind you this is a "fans forum" why don't you set up a players and fans forum where everyone can express how wonderful everyone is. You could call it the happy brownnosers club or something?!?

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I understand and more inclined towards you re garding players, especially the youngsters. I didn't realise he had a pop at you so fair play..but still to carry it on seems pointless im sure whatever was said was because he as you do want the club to succeed. I wrote a stupid comment on ffacebook after the stortford game for the same reason..do i regret yea sort of, am i glad i got proved wrong? Hell yes i am! But if someone started slagging me off about it id be pretty ####### off.

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Yeah the comments were removed, so probably a bit of a grudge, but was flabbergasted at his ripping of the players so rubbed him up when he was proved wrong. Very intolerant of young players and a bit naive he seems to me. Definitely a Welling fan, i just hope he goes and sees the players hes slagged off and apologises and hopefully is a bit more supportive in future.

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Not sure i ripped into them (if anyone would like to check JG has posted all my negative messages on the other post)

Also just want to remind you this is a "fans forum" why don't you set up a players and fans forum where everyone can express how wonderful everyone is. You could call it the happy brownnosers club or something?!?

Ok before i find some more of your slagging off posts.. seeing as you dont want to let this drop...

From memory..

You stated Mott, Kiernan, Theo not good enough more than once... Martin  bad all season more than once, Clarkie a liability more than once. You said Faz aint a right back (HELLO? , hes been very consistent this season at Full back and looked better there than the brief appearances in midfield IMHO), Youve said McLaren aint any good and Jack Evans should be playing....

How supportive is that? Deffo not ripping into players. No one else is doing it? its just YOU. DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

 

I dont remember anyone else posting consistently about the same players so negatively? So why dont you start a forum where you can happily slag players off.



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Re Kiernan, Theo, Martin and Clarke I still believe they haven't been very good this year and I have said so. I can assure you I am not the only one! With regard to Connor Mclaren why don't you have a look back through my posts after the Cray match and see what I said!! I said when we signed him I was confused as Jack Evans would have been my choice- reason behind this is because I had seen him play and play well- where as Mclaren was on loan last year and hardly played!! After in the same post it said how well he had played!!

I'm the only one doing it? Do you live in the real world or are you dizzy for sitting in your ivory tower with your video camera. Comments that I make happen all the time on the terrace. Glad you do the videoing or you'd be having a go at everyone constantly behind the goal!!

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Ok I promise I won't voice any negativity ever again Lord of the forum!

Just checking clean sheets Martin Achaempong? You didn't answer the question?

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What the klaxxon are you on about now. We arent talking about the klaxxon terraces we are talking about the forum. and your rabid incessant klaxxoning off of certain players.

You just not very good at evaluating players, its fine really just try not to slag them all off all the time. its incorrect and very boring and not helpful.

 

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 even if that were true they are grown men and should be able to take a bit of criticism



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Andrew, Dont go then. Simples.

Moan Moan whinge is as boring as a boring cup draw.

I do apologise for expressing an opinion about drawing Woking away for the 3rd? time in the FA Trophy in recent years, a team we have played on numerous occasions in the past, and one which, as you probably know, I'm not overly keen on. I also apologise for wanting the opportunity to perhaps visit another ground, previously not seen by myself, or even an attractive home draw. I promise never to complain again when we draw Woking, Bromley or Dover in every cup competition known to man. I will, of course, be attending the game not least as it's as close to "home" as this league gets for me.

 Andrew - you should know by now that you are allowed to express your opinion but it will be wrong. Only one opinion is right and the rest of us are just simply wrong.

Can I say - I like going to Woking.

 You all will soon learn resistance is futile, those who do not comply with the views of ....................

will be taken away to be assimilated then allowed back on the forum ........

 

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What the klaxxon are you on about now. We arent talking about the klaxxon terraces we are talking about the forum. and your rabid incessant klaxxoning off of certain players.

You just not very good at evaluating players, its fine really just try not to slag them all off all the time. its incorrect and very boring and not helpful.

 

Ta x



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 even if that were true they are grown men and should be able to take a bit of criticism

 Wasnt gonna reply to you for obvious reasons. ... 17 and 18 year olds grown men? not very intelligent are you J?



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Who is 17 and 18?

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What the klaxxon are you on about now. We arent talking about the klaxxon terraces we are talking about the forum. and your rabid incessant klaxxoning off of certain players.

You just not very good at evaluating players, its fine really just try not to slag them all off all the time. its incorrect and very boring and not helpful.

 

Ta x



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 even if that were true they are grown men and should be able to take a bit of criticism

 Wasnt gonna reply to you for obvious reasons. ... 17 and 18 year olds grown men? not very intelligent are you J?

 so when are people allowed to criticise then? 20? 30?

I thought players were at our level to gain a footballing education and they aren't allowed to hear comments about how they play?

 

 



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Woah, theres ONE PERSON posting non stop critiscm thats wrong. Constructive critiscm is fine. Why do the same two or three tobys have to antagonise and post utter ****?

J all you do is pipe up to argue... TYou hardly ever go to a game, you are just a TROLL.

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Well Jon Main is 32 and I was "told off" for saying he wasn't good enough! So your guess is as good as mine. I would really like to know what 17 and 18 year olds we have playing for us whose performance I have commented on?

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Woah, theres ONE PERSON posting non stop critiscm thats wrong. Constructive critiscm is fine. Why do the same two or three tobys have to antagonise and post utter ****?

J all you do is pipe up to argue... TYou hardly ever go to a game, you are just a TROLL.

 so I'm a troll?! Who is the one who starts randomly slagging off people on the forum because they don't tow the party line?



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