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Well I voted for us to retain the road end.....I always feel that is 'our' end...also in the event of an icy period the far end has been shut off...and it is always colder that end....Plus if the police wanted to keep the opposition in for 20 minstrel to allow home fans out it would be easier doing that at the road end

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 I don't mind being kept behind for a while if the Old Bill are going to be dishing out chocolate!!

Chris wrote:

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Polo wrote:

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Chris, we may not be allowed to serve them beer. Some games, the police will request that on segregation supporters are not given access to beer. It may also be possible that Police will force the closure of local pubs. Again all speculation but possible.

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 I can't see why the Police would stop them from drinking if they had their own  bar. 

-- Edited by Chris on Friday 14th of June 2013 01:32:24 PM

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 Chris, It is a matter under the public order acts. If the police feel that serving booze could cause trouble they are duty bound to stop it irrespective of whether it is in wings bar, e&b bar or any pub/bar in the area. I heard that last season the local police closed pubs in Woking for 3 hours when Luton played there. I have no reason to doubt the source but knowing how many fans from other clubs look at other boards it will be interesting to see if anyone comments on this. 

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Well I voted for us to retain the road end.....I always feel that is 'our' end...also in the event of an icy period the far end has been shut off...and it is always colder that end....Plus if the police wanted to keep the opposition in for 20 minstrel to allow home fans out it would be easier doing that at the road end

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 ive aways liked Revels myself.......

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Chris wrote:

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Chris, we may not be allowed to serve them beer. Some games, the police will request that on segregation supporters are not given access to beer. It may also be possible that Police will force the closure of local pubs. Again all speculation but possible.

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 I can't see why the Police would stop them from drinking if they had their own  bar. 

-- Edited by Chris on Friday 14th of June 2013 01:32:24 PM

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 Think your missing the point of The Police closing the local pubs ....Its to them drinking ...

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 To stop them drinking .......

You have to also weigh in the fact that many of our supporters will be asked to stand in possible bad weather to let away fans who visit once sit in the dry. Home clubs dont have to give hundreds of seats to oppo, MOST home clubs in this league ...read that again MOST will net off 50-100 seats in the stand for away fans that need to or wish to sit which will not be in the segregated area.

No other club will put us in the best areas and turf their fans out. Dartford segregated 5 or 6 games i heard, this season you have to add in.. Aldershot, Barnet, Chester and Halifax, some of those could be segregated.

There is a lot of "its only a small number of games" " it doesnt matter" flying about.

Home games should be played in a hard to win at atmosphere, putting oppo under cover in the dry and asking ours to stand in possible rain is terrible, especially when you are talking about a fence and a gate...


This is NOT a simple where do we put the oppo , you have to weigh up things on and off the pitch and the pros and cos...

The pros for putting oppo in new stand

Its easy
No cost in putting a fence and gate up

The cons

You let them make noise and give good support, if its raining it wont bother a few hundred oppo they will be in the dry,,
You ask ours to stand in the elements (and then to come back next week when theyve been treated worse than the oppo),
You WILL lose people on the gate who see the weather and think sod that i am not standing up or in the rain.
If the oppo kick off they can smash the stand up / eriths buildings which will cost us money to repair,
Oppo if they kick off are in the middle of welling fans not in the road end where they are easily ushered out by police on to the street. Allowing loud support is liable to cost us points on the pitch when the fans get behind their team in the dry while ours try and keep dry rather than make noise.
Some of our fans who sit each game will be UNABLE to if the new stand is closed to them.
Other clubs will put us in crap areas with no cover this will keep our noise lower and treat our fans worse than theirs.
Midweek gate where our crowds struggle in winter.. segregated crowd... our gate will suffer even more if new stand users cant sit in their seats.

Its a complete no brainer for a number of reasons if we can get a quote for a fence and a gate. Common sense needs to be used. There are benefits all round if we stick oppo in the open in the road end.

Are we not a community interest club now? Lets look after OUR supporters and our community, some of those helped save the club.

I look at it this way if the away supporters on the segregated games get the new stand for every person that wants to sit the club gain extra cash.

Ok its only £1.00 (?) per person but 200 people wanting to sit there, thats more than what the club would recieve if they had the Road End where everyone would stand.

In a time where the club are looking to make money and supporters are talking of lack of funds this to me is a better way of making easy money.

I understand that you cant please everyone and somewhere there will be a divide in opinions but as i say financially its got to be the most obvious way.

Not if people who normally sit in the new stand are not season ticket holders and decide not to attend due to the apalling seating in the old stand.

As a side issue to this, does anyone know where the club are planning to install the additional toilets which are needed to meet the ground grading requirements?  Whichever of the segregation measures is adopted the main toilet facilities in the ground will be in the area allocated to the away fans.  Good facilities are a must somewhere on the other three sides of the ground for the Wings fans.

The new stand has seats and terracing, toilets, a refreshment van (sometimes), bar facilities. It can also be segregated easily. It's an obvious choice really.

In an ideal world Tom, your theories would be good. Let's be pragmatic and realise the implications. Would it be be so much of a hassle to move a certain small percentage of the new stand to the old? Could they stay if they wanted to?  I like the idea of road end for away supporters, but are they not entitled to seats?

Good luck to WUSA and congratulations on their vote that some of their members couldnt vote on that looks after a few and will force some to stand up or be in the wet whilst the oppo are dry, loud and seated..

Im out

Out of respect for the people who give their time for the committee i will not post the list of reasons, i cant justify renewing, this latest "vote" is the straw....

Firstly to clarify I am not pro or against segregation into the cricket end I am pro to having a safe solution for segregation and if we could come up with a workable and safe solution at an affordable price for the road end I like everyone else would look at and assess on the merit's Until a workable and affordable  solution is found that would convince me that precautions are taken to prevent a potential riot and fellow supporters young or old would not get hurt I feel the cricket ends segregation option reduces that potential  risk to an acceptable level.

Secondly I was straight to the point last night with my last thread as we seam to be going in circles with this

 

 

-- Edited by morph on Saturday 15th of June 2013 01:45:33 PM

And are you going to do the filming in the middle of 600 Luton fans

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Feedback last night majority in favour of Cricket end - opinion pole is in favour of cricket end feedback to club should be cricket end. lets move on.

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 I can understand your comment Morph as people can start to repeat themselves on this but I have a lot of sympathy for the club on this issue.  Yes there is a small majority on this poll in favour of new stand segregation but what needs to be factored in is that many of the new stand regulars are the club's older fans many of whom do not go on this forum.  I suspect that if a paper poll was conducted at the first league game the split would be very close to 50/50.  Whatever the club decides therefore it will not please around half of its supporters.  I have little doubt that the new stand arrangement will go ahead as it is the easiest to implement and clearly the club has many other issues it has to address in the first season at national level.

If indeed only four or five games are segregated over the season new stand regulars will probably reluctantly accept the arrangement without making too much noise about it but decisions on segregation of matches will be largely outside the control of the club and if the number of games affected creeps up to nine or ten, I, for one will be extremely unhappy at being repeatedly ejected from my regular seat in favour of visiting supporters.  I know that many others feel the same. 

I have been a season ticket holder at PVR for more years than I care to remember and follow the team home and away.  I missed just three league games last season.  For about thirty years Sutton United have been my second club and I always try to get over to watch them a few times each season when games do not clash with the Wings.  When you reach OAP status as I now have, you like to watch games in some degree of comfort and unfortunately the GH stand does not really fit the bill in that respect.  If the club decides to maintain new stand segregation in the long term, I fear it may lose quite a number of its older fans as, for example, it will not cost a great deal more to watch Charlton.  This is a debate that is likely to run and run and I think will only ease if a way can be found to radically improve the seating in the GH stand, probably not easy to do and almost certainly expensive.  I hope that somehow a solution can be found that will satisfy most people and that I do not find myself in a position where when I buy my season for 2014/15 it is for the main stand at Gander Green Lane.

How do you know if a gate and a fence isn't affordable? How do you know that seating the oppo in the stand is safer than putting them in the road end?
Genuinely interested in your answers.

For me the road end is safer as if any trouble starts you can open gates to let them out. If in cricket side they are in middle of home supporters in the end terraces and have to pass them as they leave via erith turnstiles. There are also no seats to break etc in the road end.

It's easier for stewards to deal with anti social behaviour on the ground than in the middle of a seated grandstand if any occurs IMHO.

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 The price for promotion is the need for segregation, not the need to give the opposition the most modern stand. You are being very glib towards people's concerns. If you don't want to read anymore discussion, ignore the thread.

 

As for my views, I can see why the opinion was sought by the club but WUSA members make up less than 25% of our average home gate. It's a quick straw poll, not a decision maker and any blame if you disagree cannot be put on WUSA's door-step.

Without knowing the cost of erecting fences and whether any percentage of the costs can be claimed from the football foundation I cannot see how I can make an informed decision so I have deferred on voting in this poll. As a 'behind the goal supporter' I would prefer not to spend an entire match at one end although who knows where Welling supporters will be stuck at some away games.

Most people seem to be voting based on where they prefer to be rather than on what is the best solution.

I've stood back and watched this thread from afar. For me personally I would rather be able to switch ends between halves, but each to their own and I understand a lot of the objections.

One major argument against giving away supporters the new stand however, seems to be that it would be easier to let them out of the ground if they are situated in the road end and trouble occurs. Firstly - if serious abuse/violence erupts I want the individuals responsible to be detained and prosecuted - not simply let out to continue wreaking havoc elsewhere. Secondly, I doubt letting them out onto the street is going to do anyone any favours. Are we not meant to be a Community Interest Club? Call me crazy but I don't think it's in the best interests of the community to force hoards of angry away supporters out onto the street at the earliest possible opportunity. Better to contain them and give stewards/law enforcement time to contain them, and give them time to calm down.

-- Edited by Ashford Wing on Saturday 15th of June 2013 11:09:37 PM

Enough of this, bring back Acworth

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Agreed, Kevin.  No more contributions to this thread from me. However,  I reserve the right to call for Acworth in a future thread in which you feature prominently. 

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 Haha. Deal. Wasn't meant to belittle your comments. I think we're damned if we do, damned if we don't on this issue and 100% agreement either way isn't ever going to happen. So let's forget it and talk about the exciting times ahead.